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  • Nechtan

    Born today in 1944 Charles Colbert Jr vocals and bass with The American Breed.

    Born today in 1950 Micky Moody songwriter and guitarist with Juicy Lucy and Whitesnake (among others).

    Today in 1975 Rod Stewart went to number 1 on the UK album chart for the 5th time with “Atlantic Crossing”

    Today in 1986 Steve Winwood had the number 1 single in the US with “Higher Love”.

    Today in 1988 Thomas “Papa Dee” Allen percussionist, saxophonist and vocalist with War collapsed onstage during a performance in California and died of a brain aneurysm aged 58.

    Died today in 1995 Sterling Morrison (Holmes Sterling Morrison, Jr.) guitarist and founding member of the Velvet Underground of cancer one day after his 53rd birthday.

  • Carl


  • George

    “Growing old Disgracefully” Take three:
    Before I comment further, I would like to explain how it appears I can submit a comment for the 7.00am General Debate when it is only 3.00am in Bali? Easy, sleep when I’m tired, be productive when I’m not.

    At the hotel in which we’re staying there is a terraced swimming pool over four levels with each level increasing the depth of the water. Surrounding each level of the pool are thirty sun loafers with a large umbrella and table for each pair bringing the total offerring to over a hundred sun loafers all with umbrellas, side tables and uninterrupted panoramic views of the beach and ocean. I have yet to see them all occupied at the same time but it can get rather crowded. But for some oldies it’s not worth the risk. Between 6.00 and 7.00am there are the same three who arrive at the pool each morning, not to swim, but to hoard. Towels, books and assorted clothing are scatted across a dozen or so loafers at, what they perceive are, the prime locations. They then disappear not to be seen again until they have showered, dressed and paticipated in a leisurely breakfast, returned to thier room, change into “pool ware” and only then do they take possession of their sun loafers two hours after claiming sovereignty. I hate those three with a passion. To me their behaviour reeks of arrogance, self entitlement, and is disrespectful of their host and fellow guests. By all means expect to save your loafer if you are using the pool or its facilities and common courtesy would ensure you wouldn’t move into an unoccupied seat if the owner was in the pool. But not for this lot.

    My son has made a suggestion which I have embraced. I have even run it by the pool attendant who thinks it is a great idea. His contribution was to give us twelve beach towels as weapons of mass destruction. At 4.00am tomorrow morning my son and I will lay the towels out over the same twelve loafers that these three hoarders selfishly claim as their own. The fall out could be simply fabulous. After all, I’m at an age when I should be acting badly! My poor beloved is none the wiser, she would be mortified if she knew she had a husband and son involved in such immature behaviour. If we get caught we will just let her know it was just a dress rehearsal for son’s stag party!

    • KatB

      I like your style. You most definitely have to do it. I’ll bet they’ll move your stuff and indignantly replace it with theirs. Maybe a large sign saying “Reserved VIP Area” could be in order. Can’t wait for the update.

    • Nige.

      Can I come too? Please have someone record the shenanigans and ensuing looks of confusion from the Bali 3.

    • cows4me

      Put some itching powder on their towels when they are feeding their faces George.

    • Ginny

      Maybe you could send us some pictures tomorrow of the outcome?

    • LabTested

      My money is on them being Germans. Reserving a sun loafer with a beach towel is typical German behaviour, and yes very very annoying

    • Mark

      Things like that are why I get called Passive/Aggressive,I explain that I am happy to get Aggressive/Aggressive… I do like the way you are thinking.

    • Video their reaction…total gold to see them scratching their heads.

  • Nige.

    Mike Webber answered last nights question with:

    “parents were horrified”

    What did you put your parents through?

    • Nechtan

      Life :-)

      • GoingRight

        My sister 13 years and I aged 12 trotted off to Lolita. Would have been around 1962-3. I was wearing high healed shoes, and had lipstick plastered on my lips! Can’t remember what my sis was wearing. My mother told us that if we were caught by the police she would disown us! Funnily enough I couldn’t see what all the fuss was all about – so I guess I was too young to go after all!

    • Ginny

      Filled up the outside down pipe sump with metal when I was a kid. Thought it was really cool idea at the time 😊

    • Misery. I managed to have such a good relationship with my parents that their love was expressed through various levels of disapproval. I never lived up to their expectations, and sadly, they never found the ability to appreciate what they had instead of lament what they felt they should have had.

      • Ginny

        Every parent expects their children to be brain surgeons (even thought they weren’t). When that doesn’t happen – big disappointment.

        • I have always been difficult. Even now I am on the road less traveled. But the decision to not see any good in my life was not mine.

        • peterwn

          It would be a very picky parent who is disappointed when his/her child ends up being a GP rather than brain surgeon.

      • Nechtan

        Oh that sucks. Did your own thing anyway?

        • It came to a pivotal point at age 35 when one early morning, my father’s defenses lowered by alcohol, I forced him into a corner. “Have I haver made you proud? Ever?”.

          He refused to answer. But I pressed him hard, and harder.


          I didn’t speak to him for 3 years after that. That needed some serious processing time. In the end I figured out it wasn’t my problem, it was his. I made contact again and life continued, but this time with me just not caring what the opinion was. I wasn’t there to make him happy or to live up to his expectations.

          As I stood over his brain-dead body after a stroke, I was the 2nd on the scene after my Mum, just a few minutes later. I did he ambulance thing, the A&E and sitting on the ward waiting for his body to go where his brain had gone. It was one of the longest days of my life.

          As he finally passed, my Mum said “See? Pete is here. I told you he would be.”.

          That provided the full stop to a story that could not have been punctuated any more accurately.

          Dad and I were like oil and water. We both tried to get close, but every time it would go wrong and we’d be forced back apart.

          In the end he was a good dad. A good provider. I have not known a single day without a meal, a roof over my head, I had all the opportunities and then some.

          I just never had his respect.

          • KatB

            Maybe on some level he was disappointed in himself and he couldn’t convey it other than to make you feel like you weren’t good enough. Sometimes when we’re not in a good place, we like to have company. Anyway it sounds like you should be very proud of yourself.

          • Nah. I gave him enough reasons to feel the way he did. As for being proud of myself, that’s not a problem. I’ve achieved many things in life already. They just would never have rated on Dad’s list :)

            I’m more disappointed for him. I’m quite OK, now. My final words to him as I said “goodbye” were “you bloody idiot”. As I said, oil and water. I couldn’t do the things to make him happy, and he could not take joy from the things that made me happy.

          • johnandali

            When I became a dad, I made a solemn declaration to myself that I wouldn’t bring up my kids in the same way I was brought up. I did my best, but sometimes I reverted to type. But the kids have turned out well, and I love my grand-children. And I know I could have done better. Unfortunately, we’re not taught at school how to bring up our kids and how to relate to our spouses. And with no training, it’s just so easy to make mistakes. The one person I feel sorry for, is my late Dad. I only ever had one serious conversation with him. He had a successful business, but he knew nothing about bringing up kids. My mum died suddenly when I was 8, and he was totally lost. Mind you, he took me fishing once, and saw me play rugby once. He was 87 when he died, but he must have been a very lonely man.

          • Nige.

            Well you have my respect. 😂😂😂

          • yeah, it’s not quite second prize, but it will do for the moment :P

          • Nige.

            Went for the low hanging fruit a bit there ….

          • And mine.

      • ex-JAFA

        I’m a tremendous disappointment too. I coped by disowning them for 15 years.

      • Nige.

        My parents never expected anything from me other than to stay out of jail. It was touch and go after the fourth drink driving conviction when I was 17.

        Now….let me clarify. I was not what people would think after reading that statement. I was subjected to peer pressure like everyone else but I wasn’t out hooning and speeding like people would automatically presume. I was the one who could walk who would drop everyone else off. I have always hung around older people and would try to keep up with them in most things. The argument was always put up that I was young and would get away with it.

        Having said all that I really am a firm believer in a sobriety test rather than a breath alcohol test. I never felt anyone was in any danger but of course that is easy to say when nothing went wrong. I learned my lesson early on and have never reoffended in the decades since.

    • Isherman

      My folks would suggest it was more a matter of what I put them through:)

      • Nige.

        Did you put them through college?
        The car wash? A plate glass window? Please not that.

        • Isherman

          Oooh, don’t mention the carwash. I had a mishap one time at the local park, and on my return was informed that I had car wash duties to attend to. My protestations that I had hurt my arm up the road were taken for a “nice try kiddo – get to it” A day later after I was still complaining we had it x-rayed, to discover I had been carrying a bucket of water and washing the car with a broken wrist and a fracture further up the arm.

          On the upside, the guilt sympathy was epic:)

          • Nige.

            That’d be a good one to bring up just before Christmas

    • pisces8284

      My parents both died when I was in my twenties, so the worst thing I put through my parents through was telling them that I was smoking. I wish they had been alive so that they could have endured and enjoyed their grandchildren

      Edit. added word

    • Blueburd

      Actually, as bad as I was as a kid, I didn’t put them through very much. They even made mention of this at my wedding. It’s probably more a point of what I’m putting my own children through

    • Eiselmann

      LOL as others have said I could write a book…..include step mothers and tragedy becomes horror.

      Some random highlights…mother never wanted me and actually dropped me off at an orphanage when I was a baby.

      My father was at his best a good man who’s influence overcame everything else….at his worse he was distant , ofhen un-involved and while I don’t believe he knew everything that happened , I know he knew things were going on but he never took steps to stop it.

      Step mother….nightmare , one of her first interactions with me was to start taking me to a Maori Spiritual healer every week for two years…to (and I quote) ” drive the evil spirit of my dead mother from my body”…..it went downhill after that

      • Nige.

        No it wasn’t others. It was me.

      • Cadwallader

        The driving out of the evil spirit clearly didn’t work given you’re a regularly participant at this place…..where all evil is conjured-up and wallowed in.

    • cows4me

      My parents were pretty stable, can’t say much for the kids though, I suspect we drove them mad. The old man was a laugh. He use to cut a meter of alkathene every Monday morning so he could give us a wack on the arse during the week, usually someone would do something stupid to raise his ire. He use to go to the pub Saturday morning with his mates and my job was to burn the weekly rubbish on Saturday, the alkathene went in with the rubbish, he must have used up a 100 meters when we were kids.

    • Carl

      After reading some of the post’s tonight even though growing up I thought my parents were against anything I did but I realize they just wanted me to be the best that I could be. After spending the last weekend with them and my sisters we were all lucky to have a great upbringing and are all quite close as a family. It’s different for every family but if you can and want to let your parents or kids or both know that you are proud of them.

      • I’m overcompensating with my kids. They are in no doubt that I love them and that I am always proud as long as they give it their best shot.

        When i think it through, they too will have Daddy issues later. The funny thing is that it will be in my blind spot. I can’t right not figure out what it could possibly be! :)

    • dumbshit

      Not sure how many of my seven brothers, beat the oldman up, but I nearly got taken out in the backswing of a twenty four inch crescent, the last time. Resulted in triple cracked skull. Brother was twelve. Father had mums arms pinned under his knees, and was double punching. Mum had to walk a mile up the road to the only “live” phone in the district, to call an ambulance. Brother finished his schooling elsewhere. I was tail end Charlie, and had to endure the recounting of it, every time he got drunk. He never changed! My mum remains a legend in my mind! Wish I could have done more for her, after dad died, but that was not possible.

    • Miss McGerkinshaw

      Only had one.
      Nothing I was a saint!!

      Or perhaps too afraid of my mum!!?!!?!!!!!!

    • JEL51

      I was no.7. I was really not supposed to be…. but… was never made to feel unwanted. My father had had is first heart attack by the time I reached 5th form, so I was more the nurse rather than the daughter long before I started training. I did drive my mother to distraction at times.

    • Mike Webber

      Nothing i was and still am a perfect little angel. I failed to get school C, so they made me go back to NPBHS which I did not like, and i got a lower score the second time round, my proudest achievement at high school. This is what horrified my parents.

      • And now look at the sort of people you associate with. I can see you’re a dissapointment! :P

        • Mike Webber

          What? How could I be a dissapointment to any right thinking person.

    • EveryWhichWayButLeft

      My father takes great delight in saying he had ‘a boy, a girl and a mistake’… Guess which one I am.

      It’s fair to say I was a bit of a handful as a child, but my mum did a great job of limiting the damage I did to myself. She kept me at school through coercion or bribes and I [eventually] turned out ok.

      I’ve tried to convince her to read WO, but she’s a bit interwebs phobic. If you’re reading mum… Love you!

  • nellie

    Just seen Sue B’s little girl on the TVNZ repeater programme reporting on the HB water contamination meetings. Geez she’s looking like Donald Trump – the hair comb over, the orange fake tan. A bit umpalumpa-ish. Sorry for such a shallow comment, but she did..

    • Nige.

      I’ve heard some insulting things about trump but that has to be the lowest yet.

    • Eiselmann

      I wish she would develop a solemn face…it bit weird seeing her happy and smiling when there’s bad news…its like she’s not even trying to pretend to be neutral anymore

  • “at the Havelock North meeting where mayor Lawrence Yule apologised. People want answers…but they’re not getting them.”

    The pass the blame parcel game is well underway. Even though it is clear who is ultimately responsible they are trying to pin it on the regional council and even central government.

    Yep. In the end, it’s John Key’s fault.

    • nellie

      Oh is that what the item was about, I was too distracted by the whispering ‘reporter’.

    • Isherman

      Let me guess, the takeaway will be “we need to take learnings from this”?

      But in the meantime, since its not our fault, here’s a $57 rebate on your water charge.

    • Big_Al

      It’s ironic, is’nt it. The exact cause has’nt been determened as yet but all the armchair experts appear to know what caused it. John Key and Lawrence Yule must have carried out a covert operation to add a contaminent to the towns water supply one dark night. Rediculous speculation with the assistance of the media. One theory that i posted a few days ago that a recent earth tremor in the area could have altered the sub structure in the ground and caused a contaminated water supply to enter the town supply stream. This can have come from many miles away and i quoted an example of fact from twenty years previously. In a scenario like this nobody can help or stop it. Prevention is the only cure in the form of chlorination. Why that was’nt taking place is anybodys guess. Stop the blame game and move on.

  • Hardie Martin

    Why do I prefer to believe the Police version of events here: Couldn’t post a link about a person pulled over in Plimmerton during the search for the Kite creature

  • Sally

    How ironic, Andrea Vance reporting on the evils of hacking and cyber attacks and the role the GCSB plays in preventing it when she works alongside the biggest peddler of hacked material in NZ.

    • When I started this gig, I assumed that most reporters and journalist were smart. And when they appeared not to be smart it was because they were being deliberately disingenuous.

      Over the years I’ve discovered that a majority of them are actually quite thick. They really don’t see the irony in taking joy in the WO Hack while at the same time lamenting having her swipe card meta data handed to an inquiry. She screamed press freedom for herself, but she genuinely doesn’t see Hager’s case as anything but a journalist working on information. How it got to him isn’t relevant. Enter the Panama Papers and she thought nothing of delving through other people’s financial records.

      In the end I have concluded that journalism pays too poorly for smart people to hang around too long. The job isn’t really that exciting – or challenging. And on top of that, you’ll have to toe the company line. Your boss will tell you what the angle needs to be.

      Many get so friendly with their sources that they lose perspective and will hold back to ensure their life of getting easy copy isn’t threatened.

      I would do exactly the same thing under the circumstances.

      As I have told employers in the past: you get what you pay for.

      • Sally

        Personally I would draw the line working with Hager. I worked for a unethical person once and one day I decided I could do it anymore. I sacrificed a job which I really needed but I sure felt better about myself.

      • Duchess of Pork

        You underestimate the appeal to many young journalists of how many Twitter followers they can boost of. Overrides integrity every time.

        • Nige.

          Are you typing with a an accent? Because I can hardly understand damn word.

          • Duchess of Pork

            Sorry, I don’t understand. The comment appears to display ok.

          • Sometimes Nige’s humour is just for Nige, although I’m starting to cotton on when he’s trying to be funny and it doesn’t come off.

          • Nige.

            I’m serious!

            I’m really trying to understand. Poor nige 😖

          • Duchess of Pork

            I’ve finally got it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Duchess of Pork

            Thks Pete, still suffering the woman flu so not very sharp tonight. That went way over my head.

          • Nige.

            It’s not you. It’s me.

            You are very kind to claim some sort of “woman” flu.

          • As if that’s even real! BWAAAH

          • Duchess of Pork

            Please use the RULES for Bwahahaha that were explained on the General Chat the other morning. It has to end with an a

          • Cripes. I was not aware there where BWAHAHAHAHA rules. Do I need to put myself on a ban?

          • Duchess of Pork

            Yellow card only this time. I’ll try and find the rule.

          • Greg M

            What about MUAHAHAHAHAHAH ! Must end with an H ?

          • Duchess of Pork

            Only if do a bull.

          • Greg M

            That was terri bull )

          • Duchess of Pork

            Was it so unbear a bull?

          • Greg M

            Just imposs a bull.

          • Duchess of Pork

            You’re unstoppabull! Enjoy the rest of the evening, I’m outta here!

          • Greg M

            I’m incorrage a bull. enjoy your evening ))

          • Duchess of Pork

            I do so too have woman flu. I posted about it on Sunday.

          • Duchess of Pork

            No, no it seems to be distorting my senses and making me delusory because now I’m seeing the “Do you pass the Israel test” thread comments have been closed off.

          • Nige.

            Ok well I was able to do something about that. It’s open now.

          • Just as well you never got man flu, that really is bad compared with the slight case of sniffles that is woman flu.

          • Duchess of Pork

            I will be suffering man flu tomorrow because Wednesday is my man-identification day.

          • Nige.

            “off, of”?

          • hookerphil

            Give her a boost by boasting about helping her

  • raumatirover

    Just looking at a Herald article about English/Indian siblings removed from a plane. I find it interesting the girls are wearing headscarves/hijab. Now, one reason offered by Muslims for wearing hijabs is that it makes the ‘viewer’ appreciate the inner beauty rather than the physical beauty of the woman. Fine, but why are the girls in the photo caked in makeup?

  • Darren Allis

    The MSM seem to be desperate to get any traction attacking the government. Seriously who gives a damn what the Chch east chair has to say. He sort of has a point I doubt most of Kiwisaver contributors really care. http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/83703605/christchurch-national-party-leader-backs-sweet-explosive-justice-of-kiwisaver-weapons-investment

    • Hardie Martin

      At a certain stage of my life I had cause to be extremely grateful on more than one occasion to the inventor of the M18 Claymore Mine. In fact it would be safe to say that without it’s judicial placement in det cord connected banks, I would probably not be here today.

    • Nechtan

      Why did he apologise? The arms industry is perfectly legal, its products are no less lethal than the tobacco, alcohol, or indeed vehicle industries. The weapons manufacturers in the US are bound by the State Department as to who they can sell to unlike many other countries that manufacture weapons. Its because its the US armaments industry that the SJW have their pants in a twist.

      • Darren Allis

        I suspect he was trying to save face, he shouldn’t have done it. We need more bloody realists in this world.

    • Darren Allis

      The simple fact is the technological advancements we take for granted today, the internet for example, would not exist if not for the superior technology advancements in the setting of war. Jet engines/aircraft, satellites, drones, radar and other advances in modern warfare technology are a direct result of the need to have an advantage over the enemy. We forget that the things we take for granted daily would not exist if not for the necessity of having a technological advantage over the tyrannical enemies of our predecessors if not our current adversaries in what I believe is a new cold war.

  • Asian_driver

    Reporter Karen Rutherford was on tv3 news tonight critisising a young Chinese driver who was involved in an incident with her and her horse, leaving her badly injured. She was riding on the worng side of the road, which funnily enough is what we usually accuse asian drivers of, but somhow feels it was the car drivers fault. Yes she was wearing a hi vis cloak of protection and her horse had a nice name George, but she was riding on the wrong side of the road, maybe take a little more responsibiity for her actions,
    Here is info from NZTA website re horsing around on the road

    • peterwn

      You must drive at a speed so you can stop within half the distance of the clear road ahead. If the driver abided by that there would have been no accident. Also show me a mob of sheep that keep left when going along the road. If there was a mob of sheep on the same road, the driver most probably have ploughed

      right into them the main beneficiaries being farm dogs.

      • Michelle

        at least there would more than likely be a vehicle in front and behind warning of sheep or cattle being on the road
        Personally wouldn’t ride on the main road or even narrow roads as there is not enough room to get off out of the way of vehicles

  • RobT

    Did an interesting mini type change in Modus Operandi today. Mrs RobT and I went to a Fruit and Veg stall instead of PacNSaves in store department….our usual habitual shopping /weekly excursion.
    Well low and behold …..the prices at the stall were mostly more competitive and the range and quality measurably better.
    So all in all a worthy diversion..which we concluded we would not always make but time and inclination wise well worth the odd foray!

    • I have found price differences between Pak ‘n Saves. The Botany one is very very sharp, but the new one in Ormiston isn’t. I actually have trouble pushing the weekly bill over $150, whereas I had real trouble staying under $200 at Countdown.

      I used to shop lots at Fruitworld, assuming it to be cheaper than Pak ‘n Save. Turns out, for most things, Pak ‘n Save is cheaper. I still use Fruitworld on occasion when the Pak ‘n Save grocery manager hasn’t been doing to well on the buying front and has a particularly bad batch or is simply out.

      • RobT

        I would wholeheartedly agree that PacNSave is much more competitive across the board. In fact on the odd occasion we have veered into Countdown I come away feeling semi raped in the wallet. Agreed they have a few specials around the store but well compensate themselves outside of these on almost everything else.

      • MyKillS

        Another issue my wife has with Countdown is they prefer Australian products. She had to buy Olive oil today and had trouble finding NZ grown product but there was plenty of Oz stuff despite the number of quality producers in NZ. Despite this I still can’t get her to shop regularly at P&S. We also use Botany and the main issue for her is the parking. You can get out of the rain at Countdown. So I volunteer to do the shopping sometime and at least stock up on the basics from Pak and Save.

        • I found this out by accident, but the US Pork tastes better than the NZ pork. Must be the extra hormones, but I don’t care. NZ pork is tasteless by comparison. #protip

          • RobT

            So where did you manage to procure US Pork…was it here or overseas?
            While we are talking imports…has anyone sampled the Canadian Lobsters from Countdown? The price looks fair enough but do they pass the yum test?

          • Pak ‘n Save.

          • Mark

            Mad Butchers Pork Loin Steaks are US & excellent.

  • Further on relationships with parents… one of the gifts I got from mine was a stable home life. Two parents. All the way.

    When Mrs Pete was still training me, I occasionally considered kicking her to the kerb. Even in the early stages of marriage.

    But when she got pregnant, I told her that any possibility of splitting up was now off the table.

    I fight in front of my kids. And they see it gets resolved. And how. And that the love never went away.

    That’s what I saw when I grew up. I believe it was an awesome foundation, and not a lot of kids have it these days.

    • Kevin

      I grew up with one parent plus numerous “stepdads”. From that I got a mis-trust of other guys (kind of over that now) and the belief that kids need both parents growing up – both a male and female role model.

      • My boys are currently going through the dad-is-great-who-is-mum-again? phase. If you read the literature, it is a standard phase for boys. How solo mums cater for that very natural need can simply not be the same. I make no judgment on it being worse mind you, but it simply is not the same. And as it a natural need, a need from nature, I do wonder what happens when there is no stable male role model in these kids’ lives.

        There are times I’m out with my boys, and suddenly I appear to have an adopted son. Some kid sees us interacting and inserts himself into the situation. More often than not, these are kids of solo mums. I try to identify them and get permission to play so I can handle them and rough house as well. (something that gets a bit weird when you are at a public pool).

        • kayaker

          When our son was going through the same stage, I felt a bit left out because it was him and Mr K. Then I read Celia Lashlie’s book “He’ll be Okay: Growing gorgeous boys into good men” and I got it. Sometime mums have to stand back while her gorgeous boy walks over that bridge. And I can vouch for it, that gorgeous boy is now a good man at 25. He loves his mum to bits, told me that on Facetime from the US this morning. Awww…

        • MaryLou

          No, you’re absolutely right. I’m not a solo Mum but hubby has always worked 7 days a week. My teenage son told me yesterday that I did a bad job, in that I raised him the same as his sister – like a girl. No matter how hard you try a Mum can not be a Dad.

          • I don’t like to generalise, but I want my boys to take manageable risks to extend their experiences, whereas Mrs Pete wants them to grow up first.

            She doesn’t see the disconnect.

          • MaryLou

            Yep – that’s about it. We don’t have the “risk” gene, generally, and tend to be a bit more pacifist. Boys are just different.

          • Mrs Pete grew up in a solo mum houshold with two other sisters. The risk minimisation gene runs very very deep in her.

            I left my 9.5 year old at the computer for 15 mins while picking up his brother from the mall. I did that for the first time.

            Mrs Pete went ballistic.

            Mr 9.5, to Mrs Pete “But Mum, I was OK, and I was responsible. I want to do that again”. Mrs Pete was unmovable. Talking about how things would have turned out if my car had broken down and he had panicked after an hour or so… etc. etc.

            I’m surprised Mrs Pete doesn’t allow for the possibility that the ceiling will collapse at any time… but, you know…. parenting is something you make up as you go along :)

          • MaryLou

            It really is! But you know, regardless of male or female, there are 9.5yr olds and 9.5yr olds. I’d trust my daughter, but at that age my son HAD been known to set fire to the microwave trying to make popcorn. He DID make a ramp down a flight of stairs and ride his trike down it as a toddler. He DID break an arm being a show off on a climbing frame.

            Yep – boys are different, alright. Maybe I should have been slightly less “shrill” though, when he did that stuff :0

            Ah, hindsight…

          • Mrs Pete wasn’t wrong. Mr 9.5 is fine until there is a panic and then he’s probably not well equipped. But I do trust him not to set the house on fire. It’s more about being faced with an unusual situation, like some adult knocking on the front door.

            So I’ve yielded and said I’ll suspend my risk immersion program for Mr 9.5 for a year.

            The thing is by the time they have to walk to college at age 12, Mum has no option left.

          • MaryLou

            Yes. Not to mention neighbours that would report a child home alone, or your son inadvertently telling a teacher he’s allowed to be home alone

          • Don’t get me started. Mr 13.5 is nearly 14 (yay), but where is the logic that says I can’t leave him safely at home for, say, an hour, while walking to and from school by himself is absolutely acceptable?

            There seems to be no difference between being alone and being abandoned, although I suspect a court would make that judgement.

  • Bluemanning

    6,500 Libyan refugees rescued by Spanish NGO they really look to be refugees, starving women children and men, 27,000 illegal immigrants arrested detained and/or deported from within UK, 9000 in Calais are angry because Britain has rejected pre immigration applications. What a mess……on the happy side Stratford-upon-Avon is beautiful this morning off to breakfast.

    • LabTested

      I think that Spanish NGO should be charged with People Smuggling. The boats from Libya now only try to get a few km off the Libyan coast then wait for the Spanish dogooders to pick them up

      • Bluemanning

        Regardless it’s still a mess.

    • KatB

      I must say, we’ve had a beautiful day here in Stratford-upon-Patea too.

      • Bluemanning

        LOL a bit warmer here presently :-)

    • dumbshit

      Is that where a sugar refinery is on the wharf? We went to a market day, by bus from London, and I cannot remember the name of the village. We turned off just before we got to the waterfront.

      • Bluemanning

        It’s famous for Shakespeare’so birthplace, we went to a play last night King Lear Mrs B had a brief snooze, was OK. Bank holiday yesterday, took us an hour to get into town from the motorway, markets everywhere people everywhere so could be the same place :-)

        • Duchess of Pork

          Anne Hathaway’s cottage is well worth a visit too if you have time.

          • Bluemanning

            Thank you we saw the Cottage last time ‘the plan’ includes an Avon cruise and a beer!

          • Duchess of Pork

            Nice. Enjoy. Look forward to hearing where you’re off to next.

        • johnandali

          We visit Stratford upon Avon every year. It’s lovely. Lots of visitors, but they’re well-behaved. But it’s a town with two townships. The tourist areas are lovely, but if you actually want to do any real shopping, there is an excellent modern retail area (with free parking too) about 30 minutes walk from the tourist area. And if you want to see where visitors to London like to shop, visit Bicester (pronounced Bister), a lovely small village not too far from Banbury, and a couple of Km out of town, you’ll find an extraordinary shopping area full of tour buses and Rolls Royces (also with free parking). Amazing to see how the other half live.

  • Pluto

    Where’s Bruce ?

    • Won’t spoil the surprise, but let’s just say Bruce is no longer in Kansas.

      • Pluto

        Good to hear he’s an adventurous whale but gets bored easily.
        Doesn’t mind Mrs Whale if you know what i mean

      • Sally

        Please tell us he is on holiday with George in Bali and taking advantage of the swimming pool and sun loungers.

    • Nige.

      I saw him yesterday. I sent him on his way to bigger and brighter places than little ol Blenheim.

  • Dave

    Big thumbs up to the NZ Passport office. I applied for a new passport online early evening on the 23rd of August, received an email advising it had been processed and dispatched on the 25th and delivery would take an additional 3 to 4 days to Aussie. Just after 9.00 am this morning the new 10 year passport arrived.

    If I had of asked for an Aussie passport it would have taken close to 4 weeks, seriously too long. A great system.

    • MyKillS

      I have had a similar experience. Both my wife and I got our passports back within three days and my daughter, living in London, got hers back in three days with the application going to the Embassy in London. They obviously process everything in London. So YES, very well done to a government department. I wonder if they could give some advice to the Auckland Council with their building permit process.

    • Crowgirl

      I applied for one online but the wretched thing wouldn’t accept the photo, so have had to go back to the paper version of the form and snail mail. Poo.

  • Les couilles de chien.

    According to a Josephine Wensley of ‘IRD’ we’re due a tax refund! I was under the impression that my well paid accountants dealt with these matters for me, oh well, perhaps the ‘refund’ will help release the nigerian funds I have inherited.
    Anyone else being scammed in a similar fashion?

  • Gazza

    I predict that Mahuta will defect to the Maori party before Christmas , she has moved from suggesting she wont jump the sinking ship , to leaving the door open to the possibility , and today she has said she is thinking about whether she will leave the labour party , what would this mean for Labour ? does it mean the end of the Maori seats for Labour / does it mean that Mahuta will be a candidate for the Maori party , the telling thing would be 2 by elections for Labour .
    what would it mean if she did leave the Labour sinking ship and win a by election for the Maori party , can you just imagine the look on Littles insipid face the day she is sworn back in :) , the one thing I heard that annoyed me , was the sickening words she said today , if I joined another party , it would be to change the government , as I said sickening

    • Nige.

      I hope she jumps and then they don’t want her. Is that mean?

      • Gazza

        Um you mean the Maori party don’t want her ? not sure , perhaps the whole thing has been planed and she was always offered a way out , I do remember Maori Dom warning Little when he slapped her down the greasy pole after her votes in the leaders election were syphoned to little , the King said back then , we will remember this Mr Little , he said we haver long memories , I would have thought if this words that Labour have never done anything for maori would have the writing on the wall , but Little has the hide of an elephant I guess

    • Wheninrome

      Yes, maori party taking all maori electorates could give labour another helping hand along with the green party, almlst enough seats? Of course the Maori party would have to decide to go with labour and the greens, and what would Winnie do?

      • Gazza

        Really , how could the Moari party that have been told by the King that he has had it with the impotent Labour party , are you saying they would win all the sets off Labour , and then prop up that dying union puppeteer regime , surely the idea would be to kick Labour as hard as they can if Maori have had it with Labour

        • Wheninrome

          If they won all the seats they could be a kingmaker with the greens not sure who would call the shots but labour would have to pay a big price for the right to govern.

  • Pam’s potato sticks. You’re welcome.

    For those of us who have missed our potato sticks.

    And I figure that has to be more than just me for the shop to have them again.

    • Mark

      I was looking for those on Friday,thats quick work!

    • MaryLou

      Oooh – haven’t had potato sticks for years. The chicken ones were my go-to at high school. Are you saying they’ve gone?

      • They’re BACK!

        Plain salted and Chicken. At Pak ‘n Save.

        • (I should be taking commission tonight. I’ve been a cheerleader for PnS all evening)

  • “@AP(The Associated Press) Scientists find dogs use the same brain areas as humans to process language.”

    Well. Is that any surprise then that dogs understand us more than women?

    • MaryLou

      Well, I’m not surprised. My dog has the same selective hearing process as my son and my husband. Figures.

      • Mark

        Oh the Buuuuuuurn!

    • Wheninrome

      They “fart” rather well as well.

      • MaryLou

        :) Hahaha – keep going with the similarities! I’ll have to keep a copy of this thread for posterity!

        • Wheninrome

          Their look of guilt is something to behold.

          • True. I’d walk in and I could see by the dog’s body language that something had happened, even if I couldn’t see it yet.

    • Two men in a bar were watching a dog lick its balls. One says to the other “Cor, wish I could do that”.

      The other replies “Well give him a biscuit and he might let you”.

  • Nige.

    Heard this on Leighton this morning.

    It gave me a bit of a fist bump feeling.

    For one trump is following through with what he said he would do, and for two the black panther leader actually sounds like someone with a few brains for a change.

    Please have a listen if you have any interest in the USA election.


    • Mark

      That was indeed well worth a watch.
      “I have a dream that my
      four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not
      be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their
      character.”Martin Luther King, Jr.

  • johnnyB

    Had a call from Morgan Poll earlier – some quite unusual Polling techniques I thought – asked me who I was most likely to vote for at the next election National Labour or the Greens -no other choices. Did I think the country was A) heading in the right direction or B) ‘Seriously’ heading in the wrong direction . What % did I think house prices would rise in the next 2 years? When I said I would need to know the % rise in the last 2 years before I would be able to answer he said take your best guess! Not sure whether he was departing from the script and leaving parts out or it was the script.

  • XCIA
    • Effluent

      I missed that one first time around. thanks for the laugh.

    • MaryLou

      What a shame it was just a snippet. Good interview.

  • Both openers out 1st ball in inns:
    A v E Manchester 1888
    E v NZ C’church 1933
    P v E Leeds 1982
    SL v SA Kandy 2000
    NZ v SA Centurion 2016


  • MrHippo

    Anyone else see a meteorite over Auckland? 10:10pm

    • Hang on, I’ll just check…



  • johnandali

    The word Outrage is used pretty-well every single day in at least one article, by the Daily Mail. If you’re interested, I’d be happy to provide a list I have compiled of a good number of similarly compelling words they regularly use in their headlines. You will also note that many of their articles now appear in the NZ Herald, and from time to time they also publish Herald articles in the Daily Mail. The DM also publishes Aussie, Chinese, Russian and American articles. The American articles published in the UK retain the American spelling. It’s very odd, as you’d think they would proof-read the articles and change the spelling – but they don’t. And very often you’ll find crass spelling errors in their headlines. But the DM on-line is well-worth reading every day, and then you’ll understand why here on the other side of the world, we’re all better off than people in almost every other country, and our lives are much more pleasant.

  • Bluemanning

    WHere we went last Sunday…