The Ahmadiyya Muslim community lead multi-faith peace talks

Pete and I visited New Zealand’s largest mosque which belongs to the Ahmadiyya Muslim community April this year. They spoke of their commitment to peace with all faiths. A recent meeting that they arranged in Auckland is a testimony to their actions matching their words.

I was interested to know if representatives from Sunni Islam and Shia Islam were at the meeting as most if not all of them do not recognise the Ahmadiyya community as being true Muslims. I sent an e-mail to one of the men I met at the Mosque and he kindly replied saying that, “the peace conference was attended by other Muslim members as well.”

The Ahmadiyya community needs to be recognised for their commitment to peace between all religions. They have even written a book about it.

We are very quick to condemn Muslim leaders for not speaking out after Islamic terrorist attacks and condemning the slaughter. We cannot condemn the Ahmadiyya Muslim community for lack of words or action. They represent Muslims in New Zealand who are accepting of those with different beliefs to themselves and who wholeheartedly condemn the slaughter of Muslims and non-Muslims alike. If New Zealand is to stay free of the terror and strife already rampant in Europe we must make the most of every advantage at our disposal. The Ahmadiyya Muslim community wants New Zealand to remain conflict and terrorism free as much as we non-Muslims do and they are doing their part to help keep it that way.

Faith leaders from several mainstream religions joined hands today to find ways to achieve lasting peace. The meeting in Auckland was arranged by the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community New Zealand and was entitled, Justice: The Foundation for Lasting Peace.

“A recent survey has ranked New Zealand as the fourth most peaceful country to live in. What sets us apart though is that we are also one of the most technically diverse societies in the western world”, says Dame Susan Devoy, the chief guest for the event. “It is encouraging to see that leaders of so many different faiths have come together for one purpose – of achieving peace through their beliefs. The challenge for us as a society going forward though is to take the message originating in this room to the New Zealand population at large”.

It certainly will be a challenge as Sunni Islam and Shia Islam have key differences to Ahmadiyya. They certainly do not share their motto of  ‘Love for all and hatred for none’ The fact that the Ahmadiyya have been targeted for slaughter by Muslims from other sects because they consider them apostates cannot be ignored. I can understand Susan Devoy thinking that Islam is a religion of peace if most of her interactions have been with the Ahmadiyya community.

Leaders representing the Hindu, Sikh, Christian, Buddhist, Jewish, and Islamic faiths all highlighted how religion can play a positive role in promoting peaceful coexistance, and increasing cohesion in the society. The speakers and guests at the event acknowledged and thanked the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community for arranging the meeting, and for providing a platform for a positive discussion to take place.

“Ahmadiyya Muslim Community worldwide continues to engage all faith groups to find means to achieve global peace. The conference today was a small step on our long journey towards that goal. The commitment shown by our fellow faith leaders today was heart warming ” said Acting President for the Ahmadiyya Community, Mr Yunus Hanif. He thanked the religious leaders and Dame Susan Devoy for helping make the event a success. The meeting in the Three Kings suburb of Auckland was attended by over 160 guests.

The Ahmadiyya Muslim Community is a dynamic, fast-growing international revival movement within Islam. Founded in 1889 by Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (1835-1908) in Punjab, India, the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community spans over 206 countries with membership exceeding tens of millions. Its motto of ‘Love for all and hatred for none’ is evidenced through the peaceful actions of its millions of followers. The New Zealand branch of this community was established in 1987 and has just over 400 members.

  • Isherman

    Just thinking out loud here, but I wonder if the Egyptian Imam’s from Al-Azhar, who were sent here to “sort our mosques” had any bearing on the attendance or otherwise of local Imam’s of other sects?

  • Brian_Smaller

    Unfortunately the Ahmadiyya sect no more represents mainstream Islamic thought than Destiny Church does mainstream Christianity.

  • Duchess of Pork

    “The challenge for us as a society going forward though is to take the message originating in this room to the New Zealand population at large”.

    And when you so rudely flounced off the stage following Lindsay Perigo’s remarkable speech in the recent Auckland University debate how exactly did you display this message Dame Devoy?

  • roblin

    I like the idea to give the Ahmadiyya more roles on achieving our common goal here, to get NZ out of trouble like what they have with Muslims in the US and Europe. The idea is if we can give alternative to the main stream Muslims to move to Ahmaddiya, it will be a good small steps toward achieving the goal. That way the can still be “Muslims” and also can still be good NZers.

    • roblin

      It is just like combating Dengue Fever with “sterile” mosquito.

  • phronesis

    “the peace conference was attended by other Muslim members as well.”

    A typical evasive muslim response to a direct question. I suspect you would get similar responses if you enquired as to their position on Gays, Women’s rights, or Sharia law.

  • Eiselmann

    The Ahmadiyya still want the world to be islamic , the big difference between them and other muslims is they don’t want the world to burn first.

    Not sure Its much comfort to think my descendants could be submitting to allah but at least their homes are intact, if the Ahmadiyya get their way

    • Seriously?

      Lots of religions think it their job to “enlighten” and convert the rest of us, Islam it not that different in that respect. The problem with Islam, and what sets it apart, is the method.

      If the people knock on my door to “chat” or give me a copy of some propaganda mag, I’d be annoyed but I’d not worry about it too much. I’d guess the Ahmadiyya would be the door-knocking kind, and maybe not even that.

  • cows4me

    Good on them for trying their best. If peace is to be the desired choice for Muslim migrants then it’s up to the migrants to set the example. Western countries are now very weary of Muslim immigration. Muslims have to be seen as polite guests in their adopted countries not conquerors.

  • Seriously?

    I firmly believe that any long term solution to the threat posed by Islam must come from inside Islam itself.

    We can fence off, fight, and posture all we like, but they are at best short term solutions. We need those short term solutions, but they won’t make the bigger problem go away. Kill of ISIS (and we should) and there will be a next incarnation.

    We need Islam to “modernise” itself. To adapt their beliefs to fit with the 21st century rather than the 13th in the kind of was mainstream Christianity has tried to do for many centuries now. If there are any groups inside Islam that wants to try and do that, then they deserve our encouragement. They are the type of people that offer the real, long term, solution to this.

    Good on you to the Ahmadiyya community.

  • Tiger

    Great initiative Whaleoil, but who replied? A man or a woman? Is it always a man you deal with suggesting that women are still not as important as men? This to me is still anathema and often a question eluding the MSM when they go in to bat for the Muslims. It is more often than not the man who fronts up with a gentle smile telling the audience how peaceful their religion is and how it can co-exist with western values. The London Mayor , Saddiq Khan could not say the words “I condemn these acts of terror in the name of islam” when asked in the US yesterday. He mouthed his way around how peaceful Islam is and that these attacks are committed by people only reacting to the likes of Donald Trump
    And when a women fronts up with the same message wearing her cloth shackles, it is obvious she is a mouthpiece for her masters. The truly brave women , whom you often post up on the site are openly disparaging of the religion. That to me is the ground zero of this argument. If they are able to criticize their religion openly without death threats or fatwa, as women in their own countries, and comedians are able to make jokes in Riyadh about their religion, then Islam has begun to move forward. All we are getting now is mealy mouthed apologists aided and abetted by the MSM.

    • spanishbride

      We only dealt with men during our visit but they said they could arrange for me to speak to women at another time if I wished. Interestingly the answer to my recent question was not sent directly to me but was e-mailed to Pete’s e-mail.

      This is not about equal rights for women because by our western standards Islam will never measure up. This is about working with people who have some values and concerns in common with us and who are prepared to do something to try to help New Zealand.

      • Tiger

        Thanks for the reply. But the answer just confirms that western liberal, equal opportunity values are being compromised for a vocal minority. The argument is lost when the men offer to “arrange” you a meeting with the women.

        • Let them live the way they wish to live but leave us alone. we resent them trying to force their values on us and yet demand that they accept our moral foundations as their own? hypocrisy. let and let live. Who are we that suddenly we are the light of mankind? Let’s finish constructing our Utopia before exporting more of our ‘morals’ into other cultures.

    • 3000 years and we still haven’t learned from the story of the Trojan Horse? We really are thick. Perhaps we are too stupid as a culture to survive. It wasn’t that many generations ago that this would not even be a problem. After the first handful of terrorist attacks against the West we would have them sorted. Now? An entire race of cowardly snowflakes making excuses for their executioners.

  • iera

    Ahmadiyya community buildings throughout the world list in New Zealand only the Masjid Baitul Muqeet, Dalgety Drive, Manukau Central.

    So, one assumes the Wellington Islamic Community / Kilbirnie Mosque is a different sect or branch of Islam.
    And if so, do they recognise the Auckland Ahmadiyya community as being “authentic” Muslims and representatives of Islam or not, and which community was the destination for the Egyptian Imam’s from Al-Azha’?

    Like Isherman, I wonder what is the Egyptian role, in seeking to fix Islam in New Zealand? Which part is broken?

  • GCMC

    “You are either pregnant or your’e not pregnant.” Anjam Choudary says it is the same with Islam: either you’re a follower or you’re not. There are no radical or moderates, just people who follow Islam and people who don’t.

  • Duchess of Pork

    Unfortunately for peace-loving Ahmadiyya, for many Muslims globally and increasingly for Infidels, it is Wahhabi fanatics that are determining the course of current Islamic interaction with the non-Muslim world. Fanatics who take over mosque after mosque and preach hatred against Westerners, Jews, women, homosexuals, who rape, stab, murder, bomb and behead the innocent and who teach their children to become suicide bombers and kill. And against such fanaticism the peaceful majority are irrelevant and turn to these warm fuzzy generating peacefests in misguided attempts to contain escalating terror threats.
    It is not the answer to fanaticism. If or when the time comes when we are faced with Islamic fighting forces Ahmadiyya will you be with or against us?

    • sandalwood789

      I agree.

      Picture this scenario –

      War against Islam has come to New Zealand. A street-barricade is manned by patriotic New Zealanders.

      Suddenly, a man in Muslim clothes runs towards the barricade. He shouts “I’m Ahmaddiyya! I’m Ahmaddiya!”

      What do you do? Do you “take no risks” and shoot (because Muslims *can and do* use deception like this)?
      Or, do you let him come (with the risk that he is in fact a Sunni suicide-bomber)?

      • Seriously?

        What if he was shouting “I’m Christian! I’m Christian!”?

        Why assume that deception is so subtle? In fact, there would be a good basis to assume that such deception would not be subtle.

        To answer your question I’d be cautious no matter what he shouted.

    • I don’t believe that most muslims are peace loving. I think they are just cowards waiting for their fellows to start to win before joining in. Islam is not a religion of peace it is the religion of conquest, rape, pedophilia and murder.

  • Very interesting read. If there is to be a Muslim “Reformation” then Ahmadiyya Islam seems to be the logical candidate to replace the other more bloodthirsty and barbaric branches of the faith or at a minimum become the catalyst for positive change within the Sunni and Shiite branches.

    • DeplorablePersonOfColor:WHITE

      ..but for the fact that the bloodthirsty are coming for them….I wish I had a positive answer to offer.

      • Seriously?

        You’re right. But as the barbarians come we need to stand alongside the Ahmadiyya, or rather just let them stand amoung us.

        • DeplorablePersonOfColor:WHITE

          I am aware that we are discriminating on the basis of religious beliefs here. This leads me to think that, we are right, and every element of political correct thinking is evil…..

          • Seriously?

            I have no problem with discriminating on the basis of religious beliefs. I think all religion is completely bonkers, and inherently dangerous in the way they tend to surrender personal moral responsibility to the writings in books.

            But some are more dangerous than others.

          • DeplorablePersonOfColor:WHITE

            Islam takes this to another level. It’s not a personal religion it is a community commitment getting close to “the Borg”.

          • Seriously?

            I completely agree (as I tried to say above but you put it well).

          • sandalwood789

            That’s an *excellent* way of looking at it.
            It really *is* a “hive mind” situation.

          • Tiger

            How do you reconcile with y/our values stemming from Judeo Christian beliefs? In this case our values stem from religious beliefs. It is therefore all about religion and the differences thereof.

          • Seriously?

            Mine don’t. In that way they are easy to reconcile.

          • A problem? But for the religious commands which of the ten commandments would you throw out? Is the Golden Rule…do unto others a problem? Every moral stance you hold against murder, stealing, lying, adultery, come from your culture which like it or not is the result of 2000 years of Judeo Christian influence on Europe and the Levant. It is not your inherent genius in moral philosophy that informs society of it’s laws and regulations or even its taboos.

          • Seriously?

            The golden rule predates the alleged birth of Christ by a long way. You cannot claim that one except via plagiarism.

            Likewise, I don’t need your myths to believe things like murder are a bad idea.

            You believe all that stuff if you like, but lecture me about morality. That’s when you become a polite and non-violent (he said hopefully) version of ISIS.

          • Mikex

            Well said Seriously, the golden rule evolved thousands of years before Christianity because its’ practice enabled extended families and then tribes to be more successful than others.
            As a result what puzzles Christians is that how atheists often have higher standards of morality Inspite of not fearing retribution from an imaginary friend. We have those inherent moral standards because they are hard wired into our DNA.

        • Duchess of Pork

          I am a woman. Where would I be standing in relation to an Ahmadi male?

          • Seriously?

            That’s up to you.

      • The bloodthirst have been coming after one another for 1400 years. Sunni v. Shiite and vice versa along with every other sect that has ever arisen. The only truly peaceful sect that has ever arisen is Baha’i and they are a tiny minority that just happened to survive and are so far divorced from it’s roots that it is a different tree altogether.

    • spanishbride

      Thanks for popping in Deplorable. We are The Despicables here in NZ :)

  • sandalwood789

    I will explain where I’m coming from and why I find it difficult to trust the Ahmadiyyas.

    Let’s say that peace is white and violence and evil are black.

    Using this definition, the Koran, hadith and Sira are filled with “blackness”. There are over 500 Koran verses intolerant of non-Muslims and over 100 verses calling on Muslims to wage war against non-Muslims.

    So – with all of this “blackness” in the Islamic texts, how is it possible for Ahmadiyya to tell us that Islam is “white”?

    To me, they are portraying it as something that it most definitely isn’t.

    Have a look at this page – this is apparently an Ahmadiyya page –

    Quote –
    “That is why the motto of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community
    is ‘Love for all, hatred for none.’ ”

    Ok – nice “motherhood and apple pie” stuff there. But further on, we see this –

    “Far from inciting hatred and aggressiveness in its followers, Islam keeps on enjoining kindness and sympathy for all.”

    That is a *lie*, plain and simple. That is why I do not trust these people.

    • Taqiyya…

      • sandalwood789

        Yes, it is.

        Someone like Devoy would see a page like that (with its “love for all, hatred for none” phrase) and she’d immediately think of a few smiling Muslim women and would have her (hugely false) view of Islam confirmed.

        Anyone who *really knows* Islam though (including me) can see through the deception in that page like a window. It’s ridiculously easy.