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  • Nechtan

    Today in Rock History:

    Not much happened but some selections from the library anyway.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6C61sxbjII

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvaEJzoaYZk

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6infvAmOoU

  • Carl

    ….

    • peterwn

      Funny how beneficiary advocates say that benefits are a ‘human right’ and mandated by the UN, but no one shows any concern for the long suffering taxpayer. A Canadian taxpayer understood how taxpayers are treated when given a tax number like SAP 1234

    • STAG

      About the same time as I was required to pee in a cup to keep my job.

      • ex-JAFA

        That’s strange, I almost lost mine when the boss caught me peeing in a cup. It was his.

        • STAG

          As long as your pee was clean I don’t understand his problem 😉

          • Nechtan

            Maybe he is like Bear Grylls and only drinks his own?

        • Huia

          Some people have no sense of humor ex-JAFA.

  • George

    Well the inlaws and outlaws are all decending on Bali and today we played the game “my villas bigger than your villa”. We were invited on a villa crawl where we had a beer at each, three in all. All very nice and beautifully appointed with spas, pools and 80″ televisions but not for me. I like to be around people. I’m a people watcher. I find nothing more relaxing than watching a whole lot of people having fun and whilst I have poked a whole lot of criticism at the “growing old discracefully” mob, most of it was tongue in cheek. I’m sure we have two personality settings, at home, and away from home. The difficulty is defining which is the real you, and does it really matter and who decides what is acceptable? If its fun, if its legal and even if it is discraceful enjoy, because it want be long until you resume the template of your life and one thing I can safely assume it won’t be as much fun.

  • Nige.

    KatB answered last nights question with:

    “We had an old army tank”

    What should New Zealand have as defense?

    Who will take care of us if wartime comes again?

    • XCIA

      Ninja Turtles.

    • shykiwibloke

      China. Simply because their leadership is not beholden to liberal ‘public opinion’ and the world knows they will not hesitate to defend their culture with force – a bit like the West used to be. If a push comes to a shove – I don’t think we can guarantee our traditional allies will not continue to appease, seeing us like some modern day Austria.
      Funny how there don’t seem to be many terror attacks in Beijing.

      • RightAtUni

        Terror attacks depend on how you frame it. I’d describe the train massacres that china constantly get as terror attacks, as the result of these makes people afraid to travel on public transport, which is a major thing in china

      • Duchess of Pork

        A lot of unrest in Xinjiang which is Uighur territory though. Mainly suppressed by the Chinese media.

    • ex-JAFA

      We need a ruddy great navy and a dome missile defence system just in case “they” don’t come in person. And super-duper cyber defence in case “they” don’t come in physical form at all.

      • Isherman

        Yes, though our big issue with a ruddy great Navy would be sufficient personnel so we don’t have half the ruddy fleet tied up in port like we do now.

        • MaryLou

          Compulsory military service like Israel? Might sort a few other issues in the process.

          • Isherman

            Yep, I’d be for it.

          • MaryLou

            Oooh – here’s one that’d cost more to set up, but a tenth of the cost of each deployment. Lasers…

            “Other anti-rocket systems, such as the Nautilus laser defense system, were argued to be more effective. From 1995 to 2005, the United States and Israel jointly developed Nautilus but scrapped the system after concluding it was not feasible, having spent $600 million. The US Navy continued R&D on the system. American defense company Northrop Grumman proposed developing a more advanced prototype of Nautilus, Skyguard.[124] Skyguard would use laser beams to intercept rockets, with each beam discharge costing an estimated $1,000–$2,000. With an investment of $180 million, Northrop Grumman claimed it could possibly deploy the system within 18 months”

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Dome

    • STAG

      Some damn Sky Hawks for a start! And we should have taken the Migs too!

    • Greg M

      Destroyers, missile submarines, some big ack ack guns and a squadron of dirty great B52’s to go with the 2 squadrons of F18’s. Next year get the cheque book out and buy some more.

    • Curly1952

      The females in my family – a good tongue lashing from them will send any attacker into reverse!!

      • Odd Ball

        Unfortunately some people see their staunch attitude as a valid defence -it isn’t.

    • Wasapilot

      Realistically we would never to be able to defend ourselves on our own. We have to rely on our traditional allies support as we had from for instance from the USA in WW2.

      To rely on this support similar to that which we had under ANZUS, we need to show we are doing what we can based on our population of 4.5 million.

      ANZUS was stuffed by the head in the sand nuke free legislation, however I see that over the last 8 years that slow progress is being made in restoring our relationship with the US.

      Our contribution to surveilance such as 5 eyes is an absolute emperitive to maintain.

      Will we ever have a strike aircraft capability again, I seriously doubt it. Thank you H1 and H2 for decapitating what was once a internationaly recognised level of skill 😒

      • Isherman

        Absolutely. I still believe that we could be well served with a long range anti maritime interceptor capability, most serious conventional threats will comprise a naval task force after all.

      • MarcWills

        I find it fascinating that Finland, about the same land area and just slightly more population than NZ, has about 64 F18’s and 60 BAE Arrow fighters in it’s airforce. We have two 757, 5 (old) Hercules, 5 Orion, some new NH90 choppers not fully certified for combat, 5 AW executive choppers, and a few other dribs and drabs like King Airs. We do get away with relying on our allies a lot when it comes to equipment.

        • MaryLou

          Here’s a country by country list. We spend less per capita than Namibia.

          http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/MS.MIL.XPND.GD.ZS

        • Brewtique

          And Finland has a very long border, and history, with Russia. I can not see their 124 ‘planes giving too much protection on their East. I drove 100kms along/close to that border 2 months ago…..”communication” towers all along that area.

    • Aucky

      Once again our young men will be conscripted and sent off to the slaughter undertrained and poorly equipped. Nothing changes. Successive governments have continually shortchanged our armed forces and reduced them to a token level.

      • ex-JAFA

        Surely we’ll be sweet if Ron Mark makes Field marshall.

        • he can work together with Cardinal Tamaki

      • shykiwibloke

        No need for armed forces. No foreseeable trouble down here – said Helen Clarke once.

    • Eiselmann

      The Aussies , Americans , Canadians and British will come to our aid….not sure about anyone else. Of course if we need help, its likely because Australia is lost,or in deep trouble despite ,any help we or the other nations have given..

      All I can say is I hope the Greens are no where near the government benches if we ever find ourselves threatened …their defense policy actually reads like a declaration of surrender.

    • sandalwood789

      I see one of the main dangers to us as being flooded by an armada of “boatpeople” (as Australia was until they hardened their policy and stopped them).

      We simply *can’t* be the “lifeboat of the world” for everyone who wants to come here. That would mean some tough measures needing to be taken, including sinking “refugee” boats. If boats got here and we *didn’t* start doing that, word would get around in no time that we’re a “soft touch” and it’d be Europe all over again.

      Tough? Maybe, but then again, an armada of people counts as an “invasion” in my book. Invaders don’t necessarily need to have weapons.

      Realistically – we *are* a soft touch and our government would never sink “refugee” boats. That means that if one gets here, we’re doomed.

      • cod

        I always recount the scenario I heard from a good friend once. A large crude carrier is taken by pirates off Somalia, thousands of criminal refugees are loaded onboard and sail for NZ – we have nothing to stop them, blowing holes in it wont work lets all the oil out environmental disaster – net thing you know they are off ninety mile beach like ants over a sugar bowl.

        • Huia

          The lovvies would be on the beach welcoming them with blankets and demanding housing for them.
          After being in Cairns a couple of years ago and seeing the amount of Coastal protection they had leaving and entering port all in aid of the unwanted, unwashed coming over in boats, it made me very concerned about our own lack of coastal protection.

    • Cadwallader

      Donald Trump and 6 or 7 nukes.

    • Mark

      Frigates with guns we are prepared to use, Apaches & A10’s,a well armed Populace. One Nuke.

    • Richard

      An ironclad anti Islam immigration policy.

      • Huia

        I do think we would be closing the door after the horse bolted now though. Its already too late.

    • JEL51

      We here could volunteer to form a WO Dad’s Army-type platoon to mind the beaches while the younger kids get their act together. We would need to second the odd motor-home for quarters, some portaloos ‘cos we can’t be seen digging latrines and require rods&reels to help with rations. I really don’t see a problem.

      • Nige.

        Bah ha ha ha. Pitckforks and shovels!

        • Mick Ie

          I was thinking that we could gather all the Kapa Haka groups together. If they come encounter the enemy they could do a Haka with the taiaha and scare them off. Conversely if they’re allies they can do a welcome and lay down a small branch.
          Win, win.

  • LabTested

    The Father of a very good mate of mine died over the weekend. It was expected. My mate had been doing bedside vigil for a couple of weeks. A few days before he passed, the Dad regained consciousness and said –

    I wish I’d *had* a Russian woman.

    Clearly it had been something weighing on his mind. I’m not sure if they were his actual last words, but they will certainly be the ones he is remembered for. I think it would be pretty hard to top that.

    What do you want on your Tombstone?
    Have you Been to Russia?

    • shykiwibloke

      My favorite is Spike Milligans amongst others “I told you I was ill”

    • ex-JAFA

      I like to say I’ve been twice. I entered from Belarus, spent a week there before exiting to Estonia. A couple of days later, I re-entered (Kaliningrad) from Lithuania, before exiting to Poland.

      Loved it! (Mostly – Novgorod was a poo-hole.)

    • Duchess of Pork

      I will have Mary Elizabeth Frye’s “Do not stand at my grave and weep” poem on my tombstone. It expresses the etheral part of me very well.

      No, but when I do it will be by the Trans-Siberian Express from Vladivostock to Moscow. Would like to m/bike back across the Silk Road a la Gareth & Jo Morgan but probably too dangerous these days. Are there any companies still doing tours that way?

      • LabTested

        Have you seen the film/TV Series ‘The Long Way Round’. Motorbiking across Russian & Mongolia. Here is the first episode to get you started. When searching for later episodes be aware that they also did a follow up program ‘The Long Way Down’ so make sure you get the correct one

        • Blueburd

          This was a great series

          • Huia

            They were really good those series.
            The only one I didn’t enjoy so much was when Euan’s wife muscled in on a trip in Africa, spoiled the dynamics of the men.

        • Duchess of Pork

          Lovely, wkend entertainment while recovering from the last of the flu bugs sorted. Thks LT. I’ve only ever watched Henry Cole’s Eastern Europe rides before.

    • Goldie

      On my tombstone I think I want “Excretion, the sodomite’s dead” (or words to that effect ;)Never been to Russia (or anywhere really), but feel I know the place well, due to all the Russian dash-cam vids I’ve seen!

    • sandalwood789

      I’m unsure of what I want on mine but a gamer had a great phrase on his – “Respawning in 3….. 2….. 1…… “

    • I did it my way

    • cows4me

      Many years ago, a couple after the Berlin wall came down my brother and his business partner started two bars in Moscow. They were going quite well till the Russian mafia decided they wanted some of that. They didn’t stay around to argue the point.

    • Mark

      I’m not fussed on having a tombstone.
      Russian?Belorussian Woman are pretty good for white chicks,Strong Tough & you know where you stand,look after themselves,I’ve been lucky enough to have a couple try & wear me out.
      No desire to go to Russia,the Russians I have met left there for good reason.

      • Huia

        Read something about the Russians that did make me laugh.
        It said the Russians were overly muscled and smelled like bears,.
        The men did as well.

      • JEL51

        I think some of the women must be very short sighted. The most gorgeous looking ones seem to find (very bland) kiwi blokes but have no trouble seeing the large tracks of land they own ;p

        • Mark

          Thanks Mate :(

          • JEL51

            Oh dear, I am sure the you were acquainted with had excellent eyesight.

          • Mark

            Well she certainly wasn’t after my large track of land…

    • Richard

      “Take two steps back..your’e standing on my junk”

    • Isherman

      I’m a wee bit, ok, a lot, envious of the trip though Eastern Europe you’re on, and always looking for the updates. Russia?, yes I’d love to see Moscow and St Petersburg.
      Tombstone “Go cremation – it’s bloody freezing in here.”

    • Nige.

      “Here lays Nige. He did an adequate job. His kids went on and had fantastic lives because of him”

      • MaryLou

        Nice. Couldn’t ask for more.

        • Nige.

          Thanks. I’ve come to realize that in the greater scheme of things a single life is cheap. It’s legacy that is the only thing that can live forever. I just want people to say “that guy Nige, he was a bloody good bastard”

          • sandalwood789

            “… and he knew his pies.” ;)

      • Huia

        This is what I want.

    • Lux

      Nothing.. once you’re dead you’re dead..

      Just chuck me in the sea..

      Or leave me earth bound, so I can be ghost …

    • MaryLou

      No Tombstone for me, I like the idea from King Richards time of being set on a raft of wood topped off with a funeral pyre, set adrift into the sunset and a band of knights firing a single flaming arrow to set it alight… and of course I’ll be 20 years younger and look like Guyinivere…

      My husband says a stick of TNT would be easier.

      • Duchess of Pork

        That sounds very Game of Throneish. I imagine Targaryen was modelled on Guinevere.

        • MaryLou

          I never watched that. Medieval stuff is one of those places I prefer books and my own imagination to TV…

          • Duchess of Pork

            I’m not an aficionado, just watch enough episodes each series to vaguely keep up. I learned early on that I get too upset when my favourite characters are killed off.

      • GoingRight

        Have you watched the movie ‘What We Did On Our Holiday’, starring Billy Connolly. It is hilarious! It is on DVD now.

        • MaryLou

          No – nobody else in this house wants to :( . Might have to pull a sickie one day when no one else is home!

      • Dave

        You have a seemingly unromantic hubby, not much fun in a stick of TNT.

        • MaryLou

          Depends on your point of view – he thinks it’d be hilarious!

  • GoingRight

    So Matthew Hooten may have hit the nail on the head in regards to Matt McCartens sudden demotion come transfer. He suggested on Larry’s programme that he is a very good tactical campaigner and is not coming here to be an Auckland office but more likely is coming to start the campaign for the general election, but maybe using public funds to do this which he (I think) claimed would be fraud if that happened and that the electoral commission should keep a very close eye on him and the office this next year. Nothing would surprise me when you look at how he ran the UNITE financial side and still has unpaid taxes from that era. I do hope someone is going to be on his back each and every day, he is a sly fox.

    • XCIA

      Wouldn’t mind betting that Auckland ratepayers will be funding it in some way too when Goff blags the mayoral chains.

      • Isherman

        By the time Goff fleeces more out of the ratepayer for Council staff to be paid the so called living wage there might not be much left for that.

      • Huia

        I have got a good slogan for Goff’s mayoral advertising.
        VOTE GOFF AND KEEP HIS SNOUT IN THE TROUGH.

    • Sally

      I wonder where he will be based? Maybe in a Union building?

    • Aucky

      Hopefully the Electoral Commission, the Auditor General and the police but I wouldn’t hold my breath.

    • Isherman

      To expand slightly, he suggested that the Electoral Commission, the Auditor General and the Police all keep a close eye on it, given how broke we all know Labour are, and that Labour have form in nicking public funds from Parliamentary Services for election campaigning.
      Also, Pagani pointed out that she couldn’t understand the myth of Matts supposed abilities. He’s never achieved anything, and worse still, everything he has touched has turned all brown and stinky, and been fully wrecked. Both of them were spot on IMO.

    • sheppy

      The electoral college will keep an eye on him??? AND do absolutely nothing like they always do with anything to do with elections. That organisation is a total ineffectual waste of money

  • Aucky

    Have I gotten to be a grumpy unreasonable old sod in my old age? I went to the Onehunga Library this morning to return some books and to look at a couple of genealogy references only to be greeted by a cacaphony of noise emanating from a large area at the back of the library. There must have been twenty mothers all with toddlers ‘singing’ nursery rhymes at the top of their voices and accompanied by a guitarist. Now I might be wrong but I thought that libraries were for reading and studying not to be communal gathering places. Uni students were departing, library users visibly agitated and the staff clearly displeased.

    So what City Council staffer approved this nonsense – the library has a large lobby area for group useage and theres a community centre next door. Presumably the same lunatic who has made the library carpark available as a park ‘n’ ride facility for the local bus terminus and is now chockerblock all day.

    • Miss McGerkinshaw

      Totally agree with regard to this trend of ‘play school’ in libraries I have been a grumpy old sod long before I hit the old bit.
      Used to use libraries a lot but can’t now remember the last time I went.

    • Sally

      That would be probably be the Council Wriggle and Rhyme sessions for babies and toddlers or Rhyme Time that are run at most libraries in Auckland.
      Best to find out what times they are on and avoid.
      http://www.aucklandlibraries.govt.nz/EN/kids/Whatson/Babiesandtoddlers/Pages/Home.aspx

  • Curly1952

    Husbands are like fires – they go out when unattended – just saying

    • MaryLou

      Home alone, huh. Never mind, seize the moment, feet up, glass of wine at the ready!

      • Curly1952

        Nah – actually just making sure that Mrs C knows how to keep me at home.

        • MaryLou

          Is she reading WO? Otherwise you might have to find a new tactic!!

          • Curly1952

            No, she doesn’t read it but gets regular updates from me. Agrees wholeheartedly though. She actually came from a lefty family but she changed quickly when she was joined a right leaning family and saw the true benefits that accrued with people getting off their backsides and achieving.

        • Nige.

          So she’s keeping the home fires burning?

          • Curly1952

            Well she is a very good cook, keeps the house very tidy. Someone needs to do that cos I am not the flashest at those sorts of things

  • Perhaps C4M can give a lecture on this (pic)

    • cows4me

      Actually Pete because of the large scale feeding of PKE a lot of the gut can not be utilized, that stuff is like sand paper and the meat works don’t like it.

      • MaryLou

        All the better to stick with NZ’s own green grass?

      • Duchess of Pork

        You should have told Pete the number one product is the terrorism that is funded by the certified halal slaughter at our meatworks.

    • Richard

      The incredible edible cow…almost as handy as pork…that is to say Bacon.

  • STAG

    HIND has gone to Wellington to Shop Drink and Eat, I’m unsure of the correct order but that covers the basics.

    FAWN 1 said to my Dad are you going to be grumpy? I said we’ll if you listen, do as your told, eat nicely and don’t fight with your brother then no I want be grumpy.

    Welllll….. maybe you’re going to be a little grumpy.

  • XCIA

    This isn’t the Copenhagen I remember when I stopped over on the way to Aarhus for a FDF festival.
    https://www.facebook.com/307578629453252/videos/530443293833450/

    • sandalwood789

      I’ll bet that kind of thing will never be covered in the media over there so that’ll mean that 99.9% of Danes will be unaware of it.
      Just another day in the death of Europe.

      • Huia

        It certainly wont be shown in mainstream media outlets.
        This week a family towing a horse float back to England was attacked by mongrels wielding lumps of wood at Calais. The Police eventually came to their rescue but the damage was done and windows were broken.
        A Canadian couple have been kidnapped by ISIS.
        European Priests have been warned not to wear their collars out on the street because of Muslim attacks.
        A female Police officer in France had her throat cut by a brainwashed feral screaming the usual slogan. He wasn’t a loan wolf or mentally deficient he is reported as being an alcoholic this time so that’s a new twist.
        None of that you will see in our media.
        Oh and in the USA John Kerry has said not to report Muslim attacks because they are inflammatory.
        Shame on these people who are bringing this ideology into our lives.

        • Duchess of Pork

          I’m wondering how long it will be before we have to migrate to the dark web to express any opinion that could be construed as anti-Islam.

    • Duchess of Pork

      Some young Danes told us in Berlin not to bother going to Copenhagen as it was too boring in comparison to other European capitals. We did and Ioved it

      It was the only city where people were polite when entering and alighting the underground and in crowded malls etc. This is just monstrous. Merkel, Blair, Soros et el what have you done. Hundreds of years and rivers of blood have gone into the making of your beautiful continent and its defence against Islam. You will be called to answer for your treachery.

  • cows4me

    There was an item on the box last night that really made me spew and I thank God New Zealand had the chance to sufficiently developed before this pestilence could really take hold because if it had we would still be living in punga huts. I’m talking about the pestilence that is socialism particularly the socialism practiced by local government. It seems the ACC are chasing down those that sell home made cakes, sweets, jams etc when trying to raise money for various charities. Of course one must have a permit and the health inspectors palms must be greased for the all important health certificate. Yes the local council, professional shakedown artists, charlatans and con men. So I take it food is safe to eat and one will be right as long as it’s got the nod from those in the class tower. I wonder how the people in Havelock North feel because after all the council controls the quality of the water and I’m sure they have all the certificates, yeah right.
    So how does this relate to punga huts. If NZ had been founded on the idea that every thing you do must be regulated and taxed then where would be the incentive to strive and to build a life simply to support a bunch of parasites? I’m sure councils think they do God’s work, no I bet they know they are just thieves, but if this crap continues and grows we mos well change our name to New Venezuela.

    • Sally

      The Labour Party would run into trouble with their fundraising cake stalls and sausage sizzles.

    • Huia

      That makes me mad too, so much fundraising is done in this area that it would be a shame to kill that because of some pedantic little twonk sitting in an office trying to justify his cushy job.
      Are they going to stop sausage sizzles etc as well?
      This nonsense is getting too ridiculous for words.

      • MaryLou

        “pedantic little twonk”

        I’m going to steal that. :)

        • Spiker

          Being unable to use more commonly used phrases here requires more inventive terminology. C4M seems to have adapted well.

          • MaryLou

            Heheh – that was Huia that time, but you’re right – it’s one of the extra good bits about being here. Gems like that really tickle…!

          • Spiker

            I may have missed where it came from as its a bit hard to see the ful picture on the phone, but my comment stands. :)

      • The Needler

        Food safety is a serious issue, people have died because of lack of hygiene.

        • Nige.

          How does paying money to acc stop it from happening?

          • cows4me

            It’s like giving transit money to place a sign on the side of the road. Apparently a wrongly placed sign could cause an accident, so if we part with a bit of cash it will be alright, it’s all witchcraft.

          • Lux

            The money goes to the Wongy Council People!!!!

          • The Needler

            Who is paying money to A.C.C. please tell me.

          • rangitoto

            You have to pay money to the ACC to get a compliance cert no?

          • The Needler

            No just your local council.

          • rangitoto

            The ACC is the local council where I am. Sorry to be Auckland centric. I have heard rumours there are some parts South of the Bombay hill ;)

          • The Needler

            I have owned and operated businesses in Auckland, a fun place to be and lots of turnover,

          • Nige.

            Everyone. It’s a compulsory tax. Even more to the point, who is getting money FROM acc?

        • rangitoto

          A serious issue is a few hundred people getting killed in road accidents. How many people die from eating a cake from a cake stall?

          • The Needler

            I agree baking is the low end of food contamination. But no exception to the rules. Raw food is bad and so is shellfish at the other end.

        • Huia

          I really wonder how many people have died because of buying something from a cake stall.
          ps…I know all about food hygiene, I have been in the food industry for nearly 40 years.

          • The Needler

            Good on you for staying that long in the food industry, I have been about the same but as a owner operator. The baking part is fairly low contamination, depending on what you put in the product.Probably no one has died but rules are there for your protection and other peoples.

          • Nige.

            Rules are they for ignorant people who are outside of their area of expertise who should be shuffled along by their peers or run out of business because they were no good at it.

          • The Needler

            If your food is a good quality and cooked right maybe to how you like it, you will be a success. If you can keep 80% of your customs happy you will be a winner, just remember you can’t keep everyone happy all the time.

          • Nige.

            Heh. Yeah. Happy. Let’s just start with keeping them alive. Work on happiness after the rules have gotten the basics right first.

          • The Needler

            Can you keep 100% of your readers happy 100% of the time without your boss.

          • Nige.

            I don’t have any readers. Well unless you count advid quizzers😀

            But alas I know what you are talking about and you are misunderstanding the situation. I hope you can stick around and play devil’s advocate again whilst staying within the rules.

          • The Needler

            I will try.

          • Nige.

            Teacher can’t teach? Get rid of them. Find someone else.

            Builder can’t build? Don’t pay them.

            Chef can’t cook? Don’t go there.

            Whatever happened to personal responsibility?

          • Huia

            I also was an owner operator, I still believe you have to be sensible and not run into the ground where rules over ride common sense.

          • rangitoto

            Probably a lot more likely to choke on the cake than get food poisoning from it.

          • Dave

            I think most “whalers” would have grown up with items from cake stalls and footy club BBQ’s and so on when kids, yet 99.9999999999% survived. Total overkill, but the day is coming when all food will be served in portions in small disposable pre packed containers. As an example, whilst my son is a great home cook, they don’t make their own biscuits etc, it’s all from a packet.

        • Roland

          People have died because of lack of food

          • The Needler

            Not in N.Z. I hope

    • The Needler

      The new food safety regulations are for everyone , I started mine about 5 years ago before it became law. Nothing to do with socialism, if you stick to the food safety plan your food should be safe to consume. Weather you are a tourist or from out of town. Some of the bakers on T.V. could make it cheaper by using a food business that has a food safety plan in place. To set up your plan or procedures is not hard and mainly preventive maintenance on your plant and equipment that is used in food preparation. The same applies to milk produced from your farm, if it isn’t up to standard you get penalties.

      • cows4me

        Why the need for constant regulation ? How many have gone tits up because they brought a cake a a stall ? So a food business plan costs nothing ? I can sell my milk to the public , it’s in my best interests to make sure it’s good, why do I need someone threatening penalties ?

        • The Needler

          The other day over 5,000 people were infected by water contamination and one died, so if all those takeaways ,cafes and restaurants and other food processing plants had used the water (or your farm) for cleaning, we would have cross contamination. The new regulations just brings N.Z. up to world standards. Try selling your milk when it is deemed not fit for human consumption.

          • Cadwallader

            “World standards” is a seriously stupid term. Does it mean standards already adopted in NZ ? Does it refer to Bangladesh or some other third world hole? Why must it be assumed that if something is applicable overseas then it is suitable here? Sorry but I regard pin-pricking absurdities as banning cake stalls as anti-enterprise and petty.

          • The Needler

            O.K European, U.K. U.S.A. and any other countries who have a food plan.

          • XCIA

            Talking cross contamination, ever watched a cooking program where the “chef” prepares raw chicken, wipes his hands on some rag or other and carry’s on making the salad while the chicken is cooking – instant salmonella.

          • The Needler

            Yes and the other day a dinner was served a sauce contaminated with peanuts even after the was Chef informed, the dinner died

          • Nige.

            Taking it to the extreme. That’s hardly a cake stall.

          • XCIA

            Well, you may be pleased to know that during the Springbok tour a group of wags had concocted a substance to spray on the turnstiles at Eden Park which when absorbed through the skin was planned to cause mass bowel movements. The plot was foiled without the intervention of health inspectors.

          • The Needler

            It is about what happens to the food after it is baked, who has scratched their bum and then handled the product.

    • Santa Fe fan

      I thought i heard on the news yesterday that billeting of school students on sports trips was stopped at some schools due to ‘safety concerns’. Whats next on the hit list?

      • cows4me

        Don’t get me started on Harassment & Shakedown, The people who brought us this pandora s box need locking up.

      • D.Dave

        I heard that too. Then I thought the School system couldn’t keep kids safe from derelict teachers. Don’t worry about billets, get your own house in order. That Teacher Registration Board is infallible……not.

  • Sally

    Probably will set himself up in the Mayor’s office, later in the year.

  • sandalwood789

    With certain people going on and on about a “sugary drinks tax” I thought it was time to show off “Mt Stupid” – a graph of people’s willingness to opine on a topic versus their knowledge of that topic –

    http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2475#comic

    • Spiker

      I’m not so sure their examples are entirely accurate.

      • sandalwood789

        I thought that too.
        The concept, yes, but not really the examples.

  • Richard

    • MaryLou

      My first beer. Good stuff.

      • Nige.

        Mine was a 3% DB Mako that I managed to swipe from my mum and dad’s party.

        • STAG

          Didn’t you learn how to open a bottle of coke leaving the seal intact? Ma and Pa STAG only got wise after the whiskey bottles started to empty. Full bottle of coke (and whiskey) were dully inspected by Ma STAG as we left the house for a party.

      • Duchess of Pork

        Beer bellies are not generally that pleasant on the eye.

        • MaryLou

          My FIL would tell you a lot of money and hard work went into his!

          • Duchess of Pork

            Six-pack?

          • MaryLou

            One pack :) But a really big one! Worth far more than 6!

    • STAG

      Currently drinking one!

      • Nige.

        Ewwwwww

        • STAG

          $9.99 six packs, we’re not all 1%ers here, well, that and because I’m cheap.

  • LabTested

    The German state of Mecklenburg-West Pomerania has elections on Sunday. the AfD anti Islam party is currently polling 23% there.

    http://www.dw.com/en/afd-in-spotlight-ahead-of-key-state-election/a-19516855

    • sandalwood789

      Good stuff!
      I see the more “established” parties are appealing for people to not vote for AfD. That would make me want to vote for them even more.
      Thank goodness there are *some* sane people in Germany.
      The rise of this party may still be too little too late but anyway….

      • Duchess of Pork

        Non omne peritt. Hofer has extended his lead over Van der Bellen in the latest poll on the Austrian presidential re-run, Geert Wilders is getting some strong backing in the Netherlands and Trumps visit to Mexico will pay dividends.

  • XCIA
    • STAG

      They could’ve have at least put handles on the back of the sign.

  • MaryLou

    I posted this Wikipedia page further down, in regards to the Iron Dome in Israel, but reading it right through is incredibly interesting. How one could read through this history and still see Israel as aggressors is beyond me.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Dome

    • Nige.

      Well let’s be honest. They don’t want to have their minds changed.

  • Johnno

    It seems nothing is gruesome enough for ISIS executing people. Horrific beheadings, throwing gay people to their deaths from high building, burning people alive or drowning people in cages that are lowered into swimming pools, dissolving people in pools filled with acid and a few weeks ago executing people by immersing them in vats of boiling tar.

    As ISIS are slowly being driven back, they commit horrendous atrocities on civilians for helping families escape or just being suspected of cooperating with security forces.

    On Tuesday ISIS beheaded 13 civilians in the Riyad area in Hawija and just yesterday 9 young men were executed by chainsaws. “The death sentence pronounced by ISIS sharia court stated that the men should be tied to an iron pole in the center of Tal Afar Square in Mosul and then sliced into two with an electric chainsaw,” added the source seeking anonymity.

    http://www.iraqinews.com/iraq-war/isis-slices-nine-youth-with-chinsaw-mosul/

    The atrocities on civilian people will only worsen over the next weeks and months. A good source of information on the daily atrocities and a daily Jihad report on this site:

    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com

    So far 29139 deadly terror attacks since 9/11.

    It was also sad to read about the death of British man Tom Jackson who tried to save a woman from a stabbing attack by a crazed Muslim at a Queensland backpacker’s hostel.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-08-30/home-hill-stabbing-british-man-dies-in-hospital/7798572

    • sandalwood789

      All of the atrocities are (of course) pure core Islam – the kind of thing that Mohammed would have taught, done and applauded. ISIS are following his teachings to the letter – unlike the so-called “moderate Muslims” in our midst.

      There is no room for “picking and choosing” in Islam – it’s a package deal. If you’re a Muslim you “sign up” to it holus-bolus – atrocities and all. Mohammed would have viewed today’s “moderate” Muslims as apostates. He would have poured scorn upon them.

      “Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.”
      Quran 2:216

      ( Edit – added Quran verse )

      • Johnno

        I agree, but I cannot understand how a human being can commit such unspeakable and unimaginable horror on another human being. It is not normal and it must affect them emotionally.

        But then, as Voltaire once observed: “One who has the power to make you believe absurdities also has the power to make you commit atrocities”.

  • Sally

    On thinking about McCarten move to Auckland is there a plan in place to have the Labour Party in complete control of Auckland.
    Phil Goff, rumours of Clayton Cosgrove to work for Goff when mayor, and now McCarten setting up office. It looks like a Red takeover is on the cards.

    • Nige.

      Takeover? Or a continuation.

    • Lux

      I don’t understand why the National Party are not standing some suitable for the job, it’s like they are losing the plot.

      • MaryLou

        Lost it – long ago. How they think they can implement a damned thing nationwide when every council is run by their opposition is beyond me.

        • Lux

          I feel like screaming at them sometimes and rubbing their ning-nong heads together..
          It’s so frustrating.

      • Jude

        I guess if National are predominately the ruling party in National politics, if they got involved in local body politics it might seem like a dictatorship?
        At least the major policy decisions are done at Cabinet level. The shame is the population size and importance of Auckland may leave National exposed. They are damned if the do and damned if they don’t

        • Lux

          I disagree, they are leaving themselves wide open to lose the NZ election and also a total takeover of the Auckland council, they need to up their game, and get back in the game.

          Auckland City needs someone who can take control of the idiots who have destroyed it.

          I’m extremely peeved off at National for being so complacent for so long and not giving a stuff about Auckland.
          Phil Goff and his ilk give me the creeps, National are not even giving us a second thought.
          It’s no wonder they are losing punters..

          • Lux

            Edit to Add: If people like me are getting angry, then there will be hundreds more, not even voicing their opinions.

        • MaryLou

          You may be right, and would be nice if everyone saw it that way. Unfortunately Labour have no such scruples!

          • Jude

            But if Labour candidates stuff up so royally at local politics level, does that not put people off voting for the party at National level?
            Rates increases affect all homeowners and yes even the people renting through rent increases.
            The feeling from comments I have read elsewhere is the Green vote in local body politics is a disaster here in Wellington.
            I do not know but it will be interesting to see what sort of spill over there is in the General election .

          • Lux

            I’m so upset at the moment .. I’m thinking about not voting for anyone in any election.. My Parents would disgusted with me, but I’m not feeling it.

          • MaryLou

            I will vote National. Simply because of the consequences of not. But I feel the same way.

          • Lux

            Both my parents always said they would come back to haunt us if we did not vote.. or bury them in the wrong place ..

            or…..

            and a few more things …

            :-))

          • Huia

            You have to vote Lux, so many women fought long and hard to earn us the right to vote.
            Cannot let them down.

          • Dave

            Most nights one of your comments makes me smile. :)

          • Disinfectant

            I did that once as I didn’t like the policies of any party at the time.

          • Moonroof

            The Media Party is doing it’s damndest to break democracy, don’t give in ay?

          • MaryLou

            It’s also our own fault I think – not enough people take an interest in local government. Plus there’s not enough choice on the right hand side. I think the only one’s left who’ll vote Labour on a National govt level are the diehards who’ll never change!

          • Jude

            I never used to but with a mayor that was so unpopular I think people are taking more of an interest. When things go well people don’t bother voting, when things are making people angry , I think then some are driven to vote

        • Isherman

          I don’t thinks so. New Zealand is a very small place, so having the main party’s in local politics seems both fine, and logical. It also provides for some common direction instead of a whole lot of independents all wanting different things or going different ways.

          • Jude

            I understand what you are saying but can’t we encourage strong rmiddle of the road people to enter local body politics without aligning to major parties? We complain about labour and their hold on local body politics yet encourage the same from National.
            You really need business people with strong organisational skills, lawyers, planners, architects to be involved more in local body politics.

          • Isherman

            To run cities properly, you really need technocrats more than politicians anyway.

          • Hard1

            Are National sneaking their supporters in the back door?

        • Political parties run in local elections all over the world without the squeamishness of National. In Australia it is Liberals vs Labour. In Canada all political parties run in local body, same in UK and int eh US. It is only gutless old NZ and National where they won’t do it.

          • Jude

            Is Aucklands problem more the super city model adopted rather than National standing in local body elections? I can not remember National not standing being such an issue in the past.
            Maybe if government took over key infrastructure in Auckland and go back to the structure they had before super city ?

        • Aquarius 61

          While we pay the most attention to our general elections, and who are the government, it is actually the local bodies that have the most impact on our day-to-day lives, yet significantly fewer people vote in local body elections.

          We only have to look at how many councils put their ratepayers into significant (multi-generational?) debt for vanity or white-elephant projects, and it was through the complacency of the voting public they got there.

          • Jude

            I know it is shameful! But by us discussing the issues and talking about it with our families hopefully that can change. I will be encouraging my girls to vote in these local body elections

      • Richard

        Because Auckland is such a can of worms, they want no part in it, it gives them some political insulation if a known labour supporter is at the reins.

        • Lux

          I disagree.. Banksie did a wonderful job and was well respected.

          Edit to add and loved by many in the community.

          • Richard

            Yeah, he did, but I’m talking about now.
            The current percieved housing crisis and all that, it’s one thing to be perceived to be stuffing up at Central Government level, they can’t afford to be perceived to stuff up at Local Government level as well.

          • Lux

            That is exactly why National need to man up with a decent candidate!!

      • STAG

        There are more votes outside Dorkland then in it. most of us can’t stomach the thought of having our tax dollars spent there. Let AKL have their socialist utopia. The rest of us will just get on with it.

        • Lux

          Well it’s doubly frustrating for moi ..

          I don’t get this National Term ..

          • STAG

            I hold out great hope for a butt kicking 2017 were National Key and all let loose.

          • MaryLou

            Still? And I thought I was the optimist!! :) They’ve had sooooo long already

          • They won’t, they are much to soft and driven by SJWs harping on about stuff on Twitter.

        • More than 50% of the population of NZ lives in a line north of Taupo…There are more electorates in Auckland than anywhere else. You win Auckland you win the country.

          • STAG

            In that case thank God we’ve got Nikki Kaye!!

        • Aucky

          Just as well that Aucklanders didn’t share your sentiments about their tax dollars being poured into post-quake Christchurch.

          • STAG

            Fair enough,

      • Losing it? More like lost it.

        • Dave

          I wonder if national is running a cunning strategy to let an obviously labour candidate have Auckland, in turn giving Aucklanders a real taste of labour, and helping to keep national in real power!

      • Hard1

        There has to be a reason that National are being so aloof when it comes to Auckland and probably all local body political elections.
        Is it about support, the wrong type of voters, or something else?

  • Lux

    What is the most impressive or terrible thing you have even cooked?

    My mind is going a little wild here..

    I will have to think on it..

    • sandalwood789

      Impressive – coq au vin, carrot cake, scones.
      Terrible – I was going to say the pie that I almost set on fire in the microwave but strictly speaking that isn’t really cooking – just heating up.

    • Mistaking the salt for the sugar didn’t make the porridge any better.

    • Jude

      Best is a feta,pine nut,spinach filo pie.
      The worst was a sinewy lamb shank that was basically inedible! Slow cooked and all😔

    • Lux

      I think I may have mentioned before, my shonky Beef Wellington I served at a dinner for about 20 people.. no-one could eat it, and even my dog or cat sniffed and walked away disgusted..

      …. Then there was my Lasagna, that was so huge it apparently it could have fed an army, with a horrible salad alongside, even my duck ran away………

      Funny days though..

  • In case you needed any proof the NZ Herald is dead in the water: (pic)

    And that’s followed by a previous NZH editor mocking fairfax for a cat up tree story.

    They don’t even know how dumb they all are.

    • Moonroof

      Drinking deeply from the well of lost plots they are.

    • Tim Murphy acts like this all didn’t start on his watch.

      • Lux

        The man is an idiot ..

      • Lux

        After Gav left it all went down hill .. and Tim knows it ..
        Gav was a socialist.. but he had high standards..

      • Hard1

        Michael Hill started it with his 2 Carat Diamond Ring…

    • XCIA

      Incredulously, they are pimping the wretched child who was posed on the beach to blag money for World Vision.
      http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11702822

  • ex-JAFA

    Ex-JAFA brotherwatch update:
    He’s out of hospital and now in a hospice. Has been better since I saw him on Saturday, even able to get around with a waking frame. Possibility of going to see out his last at my sister’s place (she and my BIL have been fantastic), but it’s very much wait and see. I may get to see him again if I can get to Auckland again – when he’s perky enough, he really does appreciate visits.

    Thank you all for your kind thoughts. It’s getting harder and harder for all of us.

    • Lux

      Thanks for the update, even though you have had your troubles in the past, You have pushed past them..
      Keep doing that..
      Take all the time you can, life is fleeting..

      • ex-JAFA

        Even when I was avoiding my parents to save them the embarrassment of me being such a failure, and having to swerve my sisters by association, I always kept in touch with my brother. He alone knows the greatest issues I’ve faced. I need to thank him before he’s gone.

        • Lux

          Do it tomorrow ..

        • ex-JAFA

          (By “failure”, for my father that meant not being in an approved profession, and for my mother that meant being a fornicating atheist. Owning my own business and having headlines didn’t compensate for not being an accountant, and lord only knows what mater would think if I told her I’d seriously contemplated becoming a priest.)

          • Lux

            Believe it or not I have a cousin who was a Priest .. he was much older and I have also other cousins who became brothers..
            The priest was creepy and the brothers .. not much different..
            My parents hated religion ..
            My father was beaten by the nuns, even though he was constantly the first in the class and won every award, throughout his childhood, right through to winning scholarships into universities.

            Anyway.. just because people tell you you are going to be failure, it does not always work out .. look at you now!!!

          • ex-JAFA

            Nobody EVER meets a nun’s expectations!! And I was never *going to be* a failure; I’ve just (apparently) not yet been a success.

    • Moonroof

      It’s got to be hideous, you have been a bro, and clan are there too, care to you and bro and troops

    • KGB

      I somehow became the ‘go-to’ palative friend, and of course family, for far too many people in my life. It has surprised me how good I am at it.
      Death is something we are taught to fear all our lives. Many of us never really ‘live’ in fear of dying.
      We avoid discussing it, we don’t know how. Dying is actually top of the list of topics to avoid. So much so it isn’t even mentioned amongst Politics, Religion, or The War, type subjects.
      The terminally ill need to talk about it, they have plans. They have questions, they have stories to tell, confessions to make.
      In my experience most people spend their last few months, weeks, or days, protecting those they love from discussing ‘the elephant in the room.’
      They don’t want to upset you. They don’t want you to avoid coming, they don’t want to make you cry.
      I have gone casket shopping with a friend (her husband had bad taste and she didn’t trust his selection :) I have shaved heads, arranged living funerals, and shopped for the casket outfit.
      I have cried buckets of tears, cooked buckets of soup, and listened to libraries full of stories.
      Ive watched fear change to anger, then settle with acceptance.
      My Dad is still pretty angry. At 82 he feels robbed of 18 years. We fight most days, he likes that :) Its some normally in sea of kindness he interprets as pity. He has a list of those who aren’t invited to his funeral because they haven’t been to see him for awhile. I tell him to not be so hard on people because they just don’t know what to say, or do. Then I rub-in how many people will turn up and drink his booze with or without his invitation.
      My only reservations about assisted dying are based on our inability to discuss it.
      We don’t have to sit beside a bedside. Sometimes the only way we can ‘be there’ is by phone or text. But we’re there.
      I am not a special person, in fact, I’m often not even nice. I am selfish, controlling, and brutally honest. But I’m a good friend to the end.

      Thinking about you :)

  • Oh yes. I still got it (pic)

  • The Needler

    There was a china man who had some string hanging from his fly in his pants when a customer asked what was it for, he replied it is for when I want to pee,asked how he got it back in he replied that’s easy I use my tongs.

  • justhinking

    Didnt think we were here to be kept happy 100% of the time. I know i,m here to be amused, challenged, informed but i dont know that ,happy, is what i,m here for

  • Even God goes Green:

    “BREAKING: Pope proposes adding care for the environment to the traditional, Gospel-inspired seven works of mercy.”

    • MaryLou

      Got to modernise, dude, otherwise you go the same way as – well, Rome!

  • Lux

    Do you ever look at the same sex person as you, thinking .. nah I would never have sex or a relationship with them, for whatever reason?

    • That’s a bit of a question there Lux! Not sure I want to go on the record to the world and have Google index my answer to that one, if it’s ok with you, no matter how boring and non-controversial it is :)

      • Lux

        I look at people all the time, and I flick most everyone off my list ..

        I know, lots of things annoy me..

        I have been thinking from the other side, so to speak .. it’s no better..

        • Being in a relationship for the first few years is to find a balance of compromises you both can live with for the foreseeable future.

          • Lux

            I agree, and it’s so scary..

            But do you ever think .. ohh that guy must be hell to live with .. or he is horrible to his partner ..
            Do people ever put themselves in other people’s shoes..

            Like .. I have never found a woman I would fall in love with ..
            if I was a man.

            I’m talking about all her characteristics and thoughts etc..

    • Odd Ball

      Yeah nah, I’m just not going there…

  • I don’t envy Apple, the Radio New Zealand Social Justice Warriors are on the tax dodging job. John Campbell is foaming at the mouth.

    • XCIA

      Do you think they will assuage their collective consciences by throwing all their Apple products on the bonfire?

      • Bombastic

        That’s about as likely as today’s feminists getting all bra-burning over Islamic atrocities visited upon women in the name of Allah.

    • Bombastic

      If John really cared so much he’d pay Apple’s “fair share” himself (thinking of the children and the trees) and seek out recovery. Yeah, it’s always good to say these things for a laugh.

  • Bombastic

    I may just be a grumpy gen-y type, but is anyone else completely annoyed with the tired old retread material Sky serves up these days?

    • Goldie

      Yes, and that’s pretty much why I ditched them a year or so back

    • Lux

      I had sky for my mother a couple of years ago, and set up all the programmes.. in the interim she has died, but all the same programmes keep getting pumped up in my media..
      they just repeat repeat, repeat, over and over and over ………….

      • Bombastic

        The few moments I bother with TV now involves some free to air favs (Coro – hangs head in shame) and Netflix. Otherwise, life’s a bit too short.

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