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  • john Doe

    Violently woken this morning at 4.38 to a 7.1 earthquake centred 180km away off Te Araroa. Dropped to the floor and crawled around the bed to Jane thinking that we would die in each other’s arms when the top floor met the bottom. All is well but for a crack in the lounge ceiling. I was sure the house was going to twist off its axis. Anyone else feel it?

    • Where do you live JD?

    • Bryan

      well make a claim with EQC and that will get repaired my lounge was damaged in Christchurch quakes and now looks so good from one who knows, and that is what you have paid that extra on your insurance prems for years

  • john Doe

    Ohope Beach Pete. I would not have liked to be any closer to the action. It was a good one.

    • I’ll be at your place later today. I’ll wave as I go by.

      I’ve lived through the Chch shakes, with one over 6, a number of 5+ and countless 4s, so it doesn’t bother me much.

    • Sally

      Back in the 60s there was a tsunami warning when the everyone from Ohope and Whakatane had to move to higher ground. Wouldn’t happen these days, the idiots would rush down to the beach to look.

      • I still would like to see a (small) tsunami, but you can do so from a safe vantage point.

        • Sally

          Yes you could do that from the hills behind Ohope. You will be safe to venture forth today.

          • It will all be over by the time I get there. And to hope for another 7+ quake just for my own personal needs seems a little self centered ;)

        • Ginny

          Pete did you know a tsunami travels at 3/4 the speed of a jet plane? Don’t risk it to see, unless you can outrun a jet plane.
          In the 2010 earthquake in Chile, the tsunami reached the NZ east coast shore and caused violent seas. The tsunami proceeded to travel up a tidal river. I saw it, 4 kms inland and still powerfully surging. Amazing. Unfortunately didn’t have a camera with me.

          • I’m aware of the physics involved. I wouldn’t be silly enough to be on low ground. New Zealand has lots of coastal vantage points where they can be observed quite safely.

          • Isherman

            Atop the hill at South Head – Manukau Heads – that would be an awsome vatage point for a West Coast event.

          • I remember going down South Head. That was fun.

            Going back up?

            What a drama. For every step up you lose 80-90% of it sliding backwards. Phew… that was a mission.

          • WeaselKiss

            Yes that’s true Ginny but that speed only applies out in the open ocean. All the disturbance is underwater so there is barely any ripple on the surface.
            The problems for us begin as the mass of water runs up onto the coastal shelf, as the water depth reduces, so dramatically does the speed of the wave. It becomes more of a surge and arguably more destruction is caused by backwash rather than incoming surge.
            The big shake on the northern coast of PNG in the late 90’s swept underneath our tuna boat with nary a niggle but was indeed clocked by the boffins at 800 kmh (open ocean).
            Heaven help any of us if it came across the shore at that speed eh?
            Which begs the question: What would happen at Kaikoura where the continental shelf is really really close to the shoreline?

          • Huia

            We saw it on the East Coast as well Ginny.
            In the Gisborne harbor there was a Coastal trader tied up at the wharf, with the influx of water they had to jack the ship off the wharf as the water was as high as the top of the wharf, 20 minutes later the ship was lying in the mud on the bottom of the harbor.
            We actually had a really good view of it because the schools were all closed and kids were bused home, my Mum (bless her innocence and ignorance of such things as tsunami’s), took my sister and I down to Waikanae beach to watch the tsunami come in.
            I might add there was standing room only on the water front as the Gisborne residents were standing shoulder to shoulder with their box Brownies out to get a photo.

        • Seriously?

          There are maps available where they have modeled a 10m from the most dangerous location, and what parts of the NZ coast would be inundated. The highest they actually expect is 5m (I think) so the 10m one is sort of “abundance of caution” stuff. It is quite interesting to look at – perhaps a good one for map of the day today?

      • pidge

        In Opotiki, they did go to the beach to see….

        • Seriously?

          No worries Pidge, Darwin’s theory of evolution at work.

      • KGB

        They went to the beach to watch when I live there in the late seventies, before Edgecombe. Now…not so much:)

  • Huia

    Another one just happened a few minutes ago, strong rocking motion.

    • rangitoto

      There was a 5.9 around the same place yesterday.

  • Britomart has been evacuated due to the Tsunami warning

    • Old Kiwi

      The Billions we going to spend on the CRL is looking somewhat suspect about now. Earthquake strengthen is one thing – holding back the tide is quite another.

    • UPDATE:
      Britomart has reopened to train services, please expect ongoing delays
      and cancellations as train services return to schedule. ^NW

  • Cadwallader

    At times like this I wonder whether Civil Defence actually sit around craving a disaster. The CD spokesmen unfortunately come across as professional busy-bodies who enjoy their brief moments in the sun. I am sure when an actual disaster occurs they become great co-ordinators for rescuers etc.. but pending a disaster there is a “Dad’s Army” feel about them.

    • johcar

      I couldn’t agree more, and with their track record of making predictions of disastrous events that fail to eventuate, one can’t but help wonder where their credibility is with the general public.

      For me personally, I don’t believe a word they say.

      Which is a worry, because where I currently live I am only a couple of metres above the high water mark beside an estuary, so if something DID actually happen, I would have to hope that I was upstairs in my brick-clad house or away from home….

  • R&BAvenger

    people will remmeber the ‘Ship of Fools’ escapade. where environmentalists were stuck in sea ice while onan expedition to prove the xetent of climate change affecting the Antarctic.

    Sees they didn’t learn their lesson. Now we have “Ship of Fools II’. Details at link.


    • Chris EM

      Hehe. It’s impossible for a fool not to look foolish when they have an agenda to lie about and a trough of money to draw from.

  • Morning all – hope you’re all are well after some early morning shakin’

    On another note entirely – I’m seriously keen to go hunt for Gold! Probably with a metal detector, but high banking or sluicing also appeals. Something like this appeals immensely…https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yC-5xlzvG_8

    Anyone just happen to live on Gt Barrier or Coromandel with land you think holds Gold and wants it explored? Oh – and do you have the Gold finding equip also. I’d be keen to do some prospecting for you…

    • MaryLou

      I’ll give you a hand. Always wanted to do that. I’ll be in charge of provisions though. Roughing it can only go so far…

      • XCIA

        Then, you should have one of these – cooks the meal with minimum of fuel and charges your cell phone at the same time ;-)

        • MaryLou

          Handy – although I was thinking yummy cheeses and suchlike – my cooking skills aren’t flash in a kitchen, let alone a river bank!

          • XCIA

            More of a picnic then………

          • MaryLou

            Well, yes. If you put it like that!

    • Old Kiwi

      There’s gold in dem hills. Wouldn’t go digging holes near the coastline presently.

  • twittertit

    Daily Rage.
    A lady is complaining that her WINZ case files declared her unable to work due to ‘sexual activity’ (she actually has cancer). It was an error, so called to have it removed. The error wasn’t removed (these things do happen ya know), and so instead of chasing it up with WINZ again, she runs to the media complaining “I just felt, it was too far. I’m annoyed they never took it off, and they’re just so dismissive of people on benefits”.

    You know, I get that it doesn’t look great on your records, but an error is an error. I don’t know how many times I’ve had to call vodafone for the same issue – I don’t run to the media.

    It just screams of a non-story and a government beat up. Especially because the first MP they talk to and mention in the article, isn’t the Minister responsible for WINZ – they go to a Labour spokesperson!

    When will the media get it? We don’t care about minor sob stories. And we can see your bias!!!!!!!!!

    Rage over.

    • Wheninrome

      Perhaps her cancer was due to sexual activity, if MSM are going to tell a story they need to tell the full story.

    • waldopepper

      john keys fault

    • hookerphil

      The Stuff headline says “Can’t work because of sex”, I would think there is only one occupation that can be worked out successfully with sex as the qualification. At other times it should really be impossible to properly work if sex is being participated in at the time. Although some including Mr Brown and Mr Clinton would proclaim that if one is within the building of work it does not count.

      • Huia

        I misread the headline, thought it said “Can’t work without sex”. Had visions of a variety of customers being forced to wait while the Worker indulged.

    • Curly1952

      Wouldn’t it be neat if a couple of people who require the assistance of WINZ in their life went to the MSM expounding the virtues of WINZ and how they have assisted them to feed the kids, put petrol in the car, paid the school fees, put a roof over their head and clothed them – I wonder if the MSM would run this story. Somehow I doubt it!!

      • Miss McGerkinshaw

        For reasons I won’t explain ended up on the sickness benefit for quite some time. All I can say is they were, and now when pensioned, have been extremely pleasant, helpful and considerate to deal with.
        Yes there was the odd time when things didn’t run smoothly, or as smoothly as I would want (!!!), but mistakes happen and everyone can have an off day.
        Overall I think they do a great job under trying circumstances – considering the attitude of most, apparently of the people they have to deal with.

    • Seriously?

      They probably meant the note for Len Brown’s file – but maybe he had gone into remission of late.

  • spanishbride

    I rarely check the Herald website these days as I tend to read only Stuff. This morning because of the Tsunami warning I checked them and laughed when I saw that they had an article headed, “Its Black and White a simple test tells you if you are racist” They then talk about an implicit association test that tests your reactions.

    5 days ago I did this post http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2016/08/i-dare-you-to-take-the-implicit-association-test-for-racism/

    Something tells me that certain Herald reporters read WO more than I read the Herald.

    • R&BAvenger

      Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery? You’re brave, reading Stuff. I avoid it like the plague, but I guess you have to take one for the WO team, so to speak :-)

    • Old Kiwi

      Glanced at that, but the first paragraph indicated that you couldn’t fool it. The test really would work out whether you were racist or not. The Muppets were giving the test credibility. Thought of you and the comments posted on WO about it. Chalk and cheese really.

    • oldmanNZ

      Dont need a test to tell me im racist,
      I am racist, as i don’t like how islamic treats its people.

      • Seriously?

        Don’t worry about it Oldman, you’re not racist on that count. Islam is a religion, not a race. Being anti-religion is not racist, its just being sensible, particularly if the religion in question is Islam.

        • D.Dave

          A certain former squash player would beg to differ with you. Apparently we must embrace Islam as a “race”, along with all its perversions, and intolerance, otherwise, ironically, we are “being intolerant.” I am very happy to be intolerant, thank you.

        • Superman

          I can never understand why people who don’t like Islam are called racist. It has nothing to do with race. Islam poisons many different races and if you’re not Islamophobic you don’t understand the situation.

  • waldopepper

    re donald trump, i see the tvnz website reporting this morning “the billionaire returned to his ranting and raving during an immigration speech back home”. guarantee you if this was hillary doing the same thing, it would read “hillary outlines more common sense policies on refugees to rounds of applause”. the media bias in this country is disgraceful frankly.

    • R&BAvenger

      It’s a worldwide contamination of the MSM. Yes disgraceful and not surprising. We need to be FREED.

      • waldopepper

        hate to say it but i have no faith in our institutions any more.

        • Bluemanning

          We are winding down for the day started to watch the 10 pm news; not for long, I can inform it’s the same in UK :-(

      • Freed is only $100,000 short of the starting capital it needs. It is looking for smaller investors ($5k, $10k, $20k). Go to freed.nz and make contact if you want to be part of something new. You’ll find some very impressive key investors are already on board.

        • MaryLou

          Gaah – if only. I’ll check under my mattress!

  • Key Live with Leighton Smith at 9am – in case you care

    • GoingRight

      He’s stuck in traffic I gather! Trains cancelled here and there I gather.
      Edit. He’s arrived – was with Lenny apparently!

      • Sally

        Apparently visiting Len. Who would want to do that!

  • oldmanNZ

    Sensational incorrect heading in nzherald?

    Family finds dead creature in can of bake beans…

    Well turn out the creature is mould from a damaged can.

    Weather mould is classified as a creature is debatable, but its not dead.

    Newsworthy, not really, i find spoilt goods in damaged cans all the time, esp some cans bulging, .

    • LesleyNZ

      And when I checked NZH 9 mins ago the latest story was “Real Housewives: Who’s most powerful?”.

      • oldmanNZ

        Oh dear… I really need to read that!

        Can it get any worst…

        • johcar

          Most probably….

      • Huia

        They are really pushing that horrible Auckland Housewives show, instead of reporting news honestly.

        • Sailor Sam

          But as Housewifes of Auckland is made by its main competitor Mediaworks, why are they promoting this rubbish.

      • Hard1

        They’re not real, and they’re not housewives. They are a type of big cat, it would seem. Not in any danger of being hunted. Imagine trying to domesticate one.

  • Curly1952

    Day off today (well, sort of) looking after the two grandies 8 & 5 – their mother at netball tournament their father working.
    They are out of their Hamilton school today so I hope the truancy officer doesn’t start asking questions as we go about our daily activities.

  • LabTested

    Facebook has just exploded. A Falcon X9 rocket carrying Facebook’s first ever satellite exploded on the launch pad at Cape Canaveral. Yes apparently FaceBook now needs its own Satellites. – Maybe that was the shaking you all felt down there


    • The irony is palpable.

    • Korau

      “”I’m deeply disappointed to hear that SpaceX’s launch failure destroyed
      our satellite that would have provided connectivity to so many
      entrepreneurs and everyone else across the continent,” said Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg, who was in Africa promoting the satellite’s
      benefits, in a post on his Facebook page. “We remain committed to our
      mission of connecting everyone, and we will keep working until everyone
      has the opportunities this satellite would have provided.””

      We are coming for you, we will get you, you cannot escape, we are imnipotent!

  • Righto. I’m off the clock from now until Tuesday. I’ve left Teknonym and charge of the hand-over. You’ll see Cam’s work appearing in bits today and he’ll hit the ground running again tomorrow.

    I’ll check in occasionally, but only socially. Try and be nice, I’ve given the other mods a nice new shiny ban hammer :P

    • Seriously?

      Have a good break Pete. You deserve one.

      • Even if I don’t deserve one, I need one!

        • Seriously?

          By the way, thanks for holding the helm. I thought it went really well. Everyone needs a break now and then, including Cam, so it is good that this break showed the roof will not cave on him if he takes one.

    • GoingRight

      Have a great break, ‘you did good’! Cheers

  • Sally

    Evacuation in Whakatane- Tsuamai warning1960. Can you believe these cars!
    I tried to find myself in the photo.

    • I’ll see if I can find the same spot to take a photo later today :)

  • Sailor Sam

    Over the last few days, both a newspaper and their soon to be partner Stuff have been telling the story of a young real estate person, also a member of one of the local community boards in Auckland and a member of the Young Nationals.
    She seemingly committed suicide.
    What intrigues me that both organisations have and still are highlighting the Young National bit and still display a photo of her and John Key at a black tie function.
    So it seems to me that a very sad story is being tainted by these organisation by dragging John Key into it.
    Are they inferring he is part of the problem?

    • Cadwallader

      You’re right. Next thing the suggestion will be she had a ponytail or was Max’s girlfriend or something else equally preposterous. The depths the msm will sink to are yet to be fully fathomed!

  • Kiwiracer

    I was thinking the same, I was wondering why this was getting so many column inches, another MSM hit job.

    This was meant in response to sailor sam’s post.