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  • Carl

    I’d like to do an update of July 30th’s face of the day. Kiwi comedian Sam Wills aka Tape face. He has mow made the final of America’s got talent. Win or lose making it to the final I would imagine it will lead to a successful career for him making it this far. Well done Sam, here is his semi final performance.

    • waldopepper

      sorry, but what the heck did i just watch. this is up there with the cringeworthy air new zealand rhys darby safety video. i want those 3 mins back please. i hate to sound like the kiwi knocking machine, but if this is talent and he made it to the finals then we truly are in the end days.

      • Rick H

        Really? Sure, it IS dumb. but I was smiling the whole way through.

      • Skydog

        He is very talented. The above is not is best work. Have you seen him doing ‘lady in red’. Very clever.

        • waldopepper

          no. never heard of him before today. it just feels like we put mediocrity on a stand more and more and call it “talent”. this, the kerdashians etc etc. it all gets tiresome. i suspect im just getting old.

          • Carl

            Try this one waldo, hope you get a smile out of it.

      • Miss McGerkinshaw

        Whilst I agree this not that funny but it is certainly not his best. I think his ideas are novel and mostly very funny. Give him another go.

  • Cadwallader

    “Don’t cha no, that’s the way everybody talks these days?” In the past month or so Newstalk has run a local advertisement which begins and ends with the words “better future.” The bimbo who narrates it doesn’t say “better future” but prefers “beddah fewchar.” Earlier this week a sales rep from Newstalk turned up with the intention of selling radio advertising to my son. I sat in on the meeting and referred to the “beddah fewchar” advertisement. The rep claimed not to be familiar with it but then pushed a few buttons on his i-phone and up came the advertisement. I told the rep we’d not advertise with Newstalk until the bimbo attended elocution lessons. The rep proved to be unrepentant and posed the question at the start of this comment exactly as I have written it. I told him he can forget us as a customer and he left. I estimate he’d have been about 23 yo and recognised him as yet another product of our proud and noble teachers’ unions. We all make errors with pronunciation and grammar but surely the odd conscientious effort isn’t asking too much? (Or am I passed my use-by date?)

    • Slightly flawed.

      A thing that really grinds me when I hear it, is the use of the word “badderies” instead of the correct term. Get you badderies here, or badderies not included.

      • Karma

        Let’s not forget guttered instead of gutted. E.g. I was guttered when I found the badderies weren’t included.

        • Huia

          You didn’t mention being discustard at all and sundry.
          I personally are disgusted at quite a few things.

      • johnandali

        I cringe every time a speaker describes a situation as “There IS a large AMOUNT of people….. ” You’d think our primary school teachers would have corrected those simple errors many years ago. But no.

    • Huia

      A public meeting recently on the Coromandel about a new Medical center to be built. This included input from our very nice Mayor, well spoken, articulate but kept using the word “yous”, (everyone is still talking about it).

      • Cadwallader

        Maybe he does think you’re all sheep divided into ewes and rams?

      • Michelle

        There are plenty up north who speak like that and some in the higher end hospitality find it annoying finding someone who can speak the Queen’s English
        One was beside themselves when the waiter asked the overseas customers “How are all yous today” and “Are yous alright?”

    • Usaywot

      National radio, which purports to be a cut above the rest, is now allowing book reviewers to say “her and her friend” ! Utter ignorance. “Her” is possessive. I therefore cannot take anything the book reviewer says seriously.

  • Davo42

    Expect keyboard sales to soar as SJW’s go beserk with their outrage at the latest charlie hebdo cartoon re the Italian earthquakes. I wonder if they will burn their “je suis charlie” t-shirts from their previous online activism?

  • Isherman

    Morning all. How was last night with aftershocks for those in affected area’s?

    • Korau

      Don’t know of what you speak. Here in the Wellington region we NEVER get earthquakes (cheek & tongue meet).

      • Isherman

        Everytime I’ve ever been in Welly…nothing. I’m there for two nights in November so we’ll see if my charm holds.

        • kayaker

          It’s been the same for me everytime I go to CHC. Be careful what we wish for…

      • Huia

        We just had one again, they have been going on all night.

  • Gazza

    Good morning Oilers, I have just been severely ‘triggered’ and needed to run off to my safe space to calm down. I have just read a couple of news items in the horrid and the wanganui chronicle about halal certification in NZ. A local farmer has questioned the practice in the meat industry and i was not surprised by the response, but i am surprised by how widespread the practise is. So in short Muslims get to have the meat halal certified and all exported meat carries the cert symbol…..but meat here in NZ does not have to have the cert symbol even though the meat may have been blessed according to Islam….nice one…..where, as a christian, is my choice?

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/wanganui-chronicle/horowhenua-chronicle/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503788&objectid=11703043

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11703302

    • Cadwallader

      Earlier this week there was a report from Ashburton that 500 cows had been rustled. One theory is that this took place over several months and that the beasts may well have ended up in a city based home-kill abbatoir. I suppose one response to this halal garbage would be for farmers to sell through lower tier home-kill businesses and avoid the dictates from the larger meat companies?

    • Raibert

      Yep, would really like to see a list of the meat suppliers and products that aren’t halal. Then consumers in NZ would be able to have a free choice of what to buy. The non labelling of halal products is the worst type of subterfuge.

    • Sunshine

      Additionally the career of a slaughter person in the NZ meat industry is reserved for muslim men. Try being a non muslim (or woman) in this career field and you will be scratching to find a job.

      • Gazza

        Does that then make the job description discrimination based on religion???

        • MaryLou

          Priests aren’t allowed to be women either. Just for balance :)

          • Sunshine

            Plenty of opportunity to be a female Christian leader. I thought there were woman priests?

          • MaryLou

            No, Anglican Reverends, and other denominations – can’t see the Catholics caving any time soon! Nuns it is…

          • Gazza

            Ah yes but even male Priests would not get the job either, and being a Priest is a chosen vocation in the religion of your choice, you are ‘born’ a Muslim. A position as a slaughter-man is something anyone trained in the role can do, but in this instance it is only being offered to Muslims which is discrimination based on religion which is illegal, IMO.

        • Sunshine

          For an abbatoir that exports (which is pretty much most of them) then yes, unless you are a muslim male, you cannot slaughter animals. It’s done under sharia law. Have a gander at the MPI website at just what a rort halal has become – plenty of jobs for muslims only.

  • iera

    “Overt racism is not as widespread as it is in, say, Australia”
    – Dame Susan Devoy, as reported in THE TELEGRAPH, UK, calls Australians racist.
    The only good thing about the article is it features dominantly a photo of a New Zealand flag – which could easily be mistaken for Australia’s.

    • Huia

      These stupid fools are doing irreparable damage to NZ’s image overseas with their wailing about poverty, homeless, starving children and now racist NZ.
      They don’t give a flying fig about NZ, all they care about is that their own Socialist agenda hit the news outlets and boost their personal “caring” image, and to hell with all the hard work people have done over the years to make NZ what it is today.
      We had a great reputation and every hit on it does more damage, it’s especially infuriating when idiots like Lame Suzy, (who have their snouts firmly imbedded in the trough), fire the unwarranted, unethical and downright untrustworthy hits on our reputation.
      They truly disgust me.

      • Raibert

        And she would be amongst the first to slag of Trump for his comments.

      • iera

        Why did Race Relations Commissioner Dame Susan Devoy “waive her right of rebuttal and storm off” from the table she was sharing with Lindsay Perigo at last Monday night’s semi-final in the intra-university Next Generation Debates series at Auckland University?
        Did words fail her?

        • sandalwood789

          You read my mind! I was just about to post a link to Perigo’s *outstanding* speech on freedom of speech and the criticism of Islam –
          Here it is –
          https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.co.nz/2016/09/lindsay-perigo-magnificent-pandemonium.html

          What a surprise ( /sarc ) that Dame Susan stormed off the stage. You just can’t reason with people like her. People who have certain views cemented in their minds and who just won’t listen to anything that contradicts those views.

          • Huia

            That is a very good speech.
            What concerns me is Muslims shouting down the rights to freedom of speech here in NZ, and the organiser’s giving in to that by shutting down the speech. This is our country and we have a right to freedom of speech, (I am exercising that right now). You may not agree with me, but it is my right to speak.

            Lindsay is right.
            Islam is not a race, so the faux outrage of Lame Suzy storming off the stage does her no credit at all.
            I do tend to agree with Lindsay, that there is no place for a “race relations” office here in NZ. Especially when the Officer is unable to recognize the difference between religious / indoctrination and problems truly racist.

            The only time we have a “racial issue” is when the likes of Lame Suzy make yet another ignorant statement, in their determination to find racial slurs under every stone they fail miserably to recognized that radical religion is not a racial problem.
            Lindsay says:
            “I hate to break it to you, but there is a right to insult. The way to deal with a racist is to shame him with reason, not to jail him. Freedom of expression includes the right to say offensive things. It doesn’t include a right never to be offended.”
            Now this to me is the crux of the debacle.
            Islam is turning that back on the West and using racialism to shame and embarrass ordinary people when they speak of their concern about the Muslim takeover that is happening through out the world. To speak out against Islam is NOT racist, although that is how it is being used against the rest of the world.
            The media are guilty for this as is our race relations officer.

          • Shalice

            I agree that there’s no place for a race relations commissioner. I think Dame Susan in particular is dangerous in this position as I don’t think she understands the full consequences of her actions and words.
            I have also been wondering about that position and also the Human Rights Commission – who are they accountable to? If you have an issue with them who gets the complaints? It seems useless complaining to the HRC itself, for example, about their own pushing of trans agenda – but these people are affecting laws.

          • sandalwood789

            Susan storming off just shows that she has *no rebuttal* to the fact-filled speech that Lindsay gave. There simply *isn’t* a rebuttal to the murder of 270 million people or so.
            ( Even if we take out the estimated 120 million dead of the slave trade that the West had a hand in, that still leaves 150 million (and counting) killed by Islam and no-one else. )

            Still waiting for Susan to acknowledge the huge amount of hatred taught by Islam and the huge number of murders that Islam has committed. I won’t be holding my breath.

        • Ruahine

          It is the default action of many people of similar ilk. It is to cover up the fact that they are trying to contradict a superior arguement and they personally do not have the intellectual ability to do so. Therefore you pull the outraged stunt.

      • XCIA

        Yes, and they are well aided and abetted by our Aussie owned and controlled MSM who are trying their best to see us fail.

  • Sagacious Blonde

    A newspaper, brings us news that Havelock North epidemic casualties have risen by 46,800 overnight.
    “the gastro outbreak which left about 52000 people – over a third of the Havelock North population – sick.”

    • OT Richter

      and they are all homeless.

      • Hard1

        Well at least they’ve housed the Campylobacter.

      • Huia

        Maybe this is the promised tsunami of homeless.

  • Hard1

    If Duncan Garner’s article has the correct statistics, and I quote from his article, “Indeed the immigrants, especially Asian arrivals, are the least likely to commit crimes.
    Overall Chinese New Zealanders commit far fewer crimes than other New Zealanders.
    The Asian crime rate is 52 arrests per 10,000 people.
    Pakeha are five times higher at 254, Pasifika people 10 times higher at 545 and Maori are 25 times higher at 1240 arrests per 10,000 people.

    Translated, 5.45% of Pasifika around you are criminals, and 12.4% of Maoris.

    This is only the arrests. I am aware that the same people can be arrested multiple times, but feel that many offenders are never arrested, meaning the statistic is a good average and actual offenders could be higher.
    Unless the cycle of offending is broken, lock yourselves in, put up bars on your windows, because theft is going to increase exponentially.

    • KGB

      I am very oposed to pacific quota immigration. It is time to stop. Time to apply the same rules to Pacific immigrants, as we do any other country.
      I will generalise in my arguement, but believe my position represents the majority.
      Pacifica offers us mostly low income, unskilled immigrants who directly compete with most of our unemployed.
      Pacifica over-represent in welfare statistics due to poor education resulting in low incomes.
      Pacifica produce large families on these low incomes. They require WFF top-ups, social housing, and many other social services.
      Pacifica bring significant health issues. Diabetes related illnesses, obesity related illnesses, and kidney failure.
      Auckland hospital waiting rooms are over-flowing with evidence of this cost.
      Pacifica over-represents in crime statistics, including domestic violence.
      While tax paying NZ’ers top up incomes, housing, and health, they top up their church.
      I understand that during the 1950-60’s NZ required the unskilled labour of the Pacifics, but times have changed. NZ has changed, our industries have changed.
      I had a heated debate about this recently and was quickly called a racist. “We should be embracing their culture.” “We have an obligation to our colourful Pacific neighbours.”
      I believe our obligation ends with an annual aid check. It is time to double that check assisting our Pacific neighbours ‘at home.’
      Call me racist, but embracing our indigenous people, their culture, and their needs, is problematic enough.

  • XCIA

    Seems the “lucky country” is cursed with do-gooder’s, religious fanatics and social engineers – “Nanny state capital of the world: Another day, another rule in ‘carefree’ Australia as smoking is banned OUTSIDE – following laws on drinking after 10pm, e-cigarettes and even children playing football”.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3759910/Strewth-day-rule-carefree-smoking-banned-OUTSIDE-Australia-s-secures-reputation-nanny-state-capital-world-ban-drinks-10pm-e-cigarettes-children-playing-FOOTBALL.html

    • Hard1

      So we are left with meditation, cats,and wine after sunrise, but no wine for the birds if you have company. Pocket billiards is also off the menu.

  • Hard1

    Attention Phillip Twyford. Crisis looming…..
    “An ever-increasing number of New Zealanders are acting on their attraction to the motor caravan lifestyle. To put it into perspective in terms of association numbers, it took the NZMCA 40 years to reach 10,000 while the leap from 50,000 to 60,000 has taken just two years.”
    In 2011, there were almost 64,000 campervan hires , 10,220 by New Zealand residents and 53,710 by international tourists.
    These people clearly should be in warm dry houses, not vans. Living in a Campervan must be the pits.
    “Some Bay pensioners and families are being forced to live in camping grounds as a “housing crisis” in Tauranga worsens.

    Then on to the stage come the ‘Experts’ in lifestyle management/control.

    Labour MPs Phil Twyford, David Parker and Nanaia Mahuta yesterday heard from Tauranga residents who said the escalating cost of rentals in the city was making it almost impossible to find a home.”

    In conclusion, for normal people, living a camping lifestyle is fantastic, but if you are chewing on the dry old bone of leftist politics, it is a cardinal sin against the dignity of humankind. Tell that to the folks having a great time.

    • johnandali

      Just wander around Australia, and you’ll find caravan parks there that are full of permanent residents. They don’t jump up and down and complain about their homelessness to their MPs. They simply accept their situation and they get on with their lives. Contrast that attitude with those in NZ of the political left who would regard such people as being “homeless”, and blame the government for their plight.

    • Yep. I’m just about to do exactly that in a month or so’s time…. Sorting my 7m camper van for 6 month’s on the road…

  • sandalwood789

    Hillary threatens war with Russia (and the MSM don’t even mention it…..)

    • Skydog

      Let me guess, the Americans have never done a little bit of hacking themselves.

  • Sally

    I couldn’t belief my eyes when I watched the interview on Talley’s this morning. They were promoting Phillip Reweti (Bear). Remember this guy http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2016/03/the-misogyny-of-the-left-2/#more-240504. I hope the voting public of Wanganui Council knows what sort of individual is wanting to be on their Council.

    • Sally

      The question is Affco a good corporate citizen? My question is Phillip Reweti a good citizen?

  • XCIA

    Seems the Aussies are bending over backwards to allow their new immigrants every consideration on the “home” front – “Hundreds of child brides flown into Australia on special visas”.
    http://www.news.com.au/national/visa-alarm-over-imported-teen-brides/story-e6frfkvr-1226187186422

  • Alfred12

    As a keen observer of people especially when I’m away from Nz I am incredulous when here in steamy hot Thailand I see women in full burquas while their bearded husbands are wearing shorts & cotton shirts. Last night the wife & I taxied into sleaze central Bangla Rd Patong. Ok here we have every form of deviance on public display, ranging from lady boys, ping pong shows alcohol flowing and pork on every menu. Who do I see again in head scarves, burquas roaming the streets? Yip members of the Islamic cult. Hypocrisy alive & well.

  • Minnie Mouse

    Forget The Real Housewives of Auckland show – there’s a ‘richlister’ family who reside in a very swanky part of town (Auckland) with the martriach of all matriarchs putting those 4 ladies to shame. If only the dirty linen in this richlister family could be aired – oh what fun. And the funny thing is that they think nobody knows their dirty little secret – except slowly, but surely, their friends are getting to know what’s going on. Revenge is sweet.

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