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  • Korau

    Whales are everywhere. Now even the FBI are reporting on them

    “The FBI estimates some $2.2bn in losses have arisen from nearly 14,000 whaling cases in the seven months to May this year.”

    So, what is this whaling, I hear you ask? Whaling is a well-oiled social engineering scam that sees criminals dupe financial controllers at large lucrative organisations. Whalers’ main method is to send emails that appear to originate from chief executive officers, bearing instructions to wire cash into nominated bank accounts.

    Some victims have been Mattel, Ubiquiti, Belgian bank Crelan, Accenture, Chanel, Hugo Boss, HSBC, and countless smaller victims.

    So now you know.

    • Blockhead

      I have had a few of those emails. They are reasonably easy to spot – typically the language is “stilted”, they ask you to do things which wouldn’t follow normal procedures.

      But I can see how a relatively new employee could get caught out.

      • Quinton Hogg

        I get the damn things everyday.,

        One telling me breathlessly i had won a lottery just got binned.

  • Cadwallader

    It is great what you can learn from older people. My mother grew up in rural Canterbury during the 1930s. At that time many were homeless. In the society of the time men often left their families and took to the roads in search of self-betterment.These men were called “swaggies.” They were homeless but didn’t seek handouts. The swaggies would turn up at a farm and work for food, a hot-bath, the right to sleep in the hay-shed, possibly a permanent job etc.. Despite having a difficult and forlorn lifestyle they were trying to create a life without unearned handouts. This must be compared to the preferred existences of those who sit about on a benefit in self-imposed squalor. Eighty years later we have some who ensure they are unemployable through drug abuse and deep-seated laziness which marks the death of personal dignity. Sir Apirana Ngata foretold that welfare would be the end of Maoris perhaps he ought to have said it would be the death of dignity amongst wider society. These days even those who work perceive they have entitlements often without effort.

    • Huia

      I remember those tramps coming to the farm, they would chop fire wood for the wood stove and do odd jobs, Mum fed them and it was always a roast meal she did that to make sure ensue they had a decent hot meal.
      A lot of them were shell shocked from the first world war, Mum and Dad had great sympathy for them and made sure they had a warm blanket and hand me down clothes, they could not fit into society anymore. One wore a suit and top hat, he was a doctor during the war but was unable to stay in one place or settle back into a normal life.
      Some became roadmen in charge of their few miles of road and could be seen with their wheelbarrows and shovels when we were travelling. The road men lived alone in tiny huts close to the road and shunned any contact with society, poor sods.

      • johnandali

        It’s only in more recent times that it has been recognised that a lot of these ex-service people were suffering from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. One of my ex-Vietnam mates lives in the back of a van in NSW. He is suffering from PTSD, and believes that his Army discharge forms were forged, and that he was never properly discharged. He has been claiming $2 million in unpaid wages. He also believes that the Prime Ministers of both Aust and NZ have been trying to murder him to avoid having to pay the $2 million. Interestingly, when I tried to help him, he refused any help, but sent me an Army form relating to his service with what he claims was a forgery of my signature witnessing the document. I have assured him that it is my genuine signature. He still doesn’t believe me.

        • hookerphil

          That is a really sad story. A life now so wasted and I would presume he doesn’t even realize that.

          • johnandali

            I have twice offered my help in relocating him back from Aust to NZ, and he’s refused both times. He seems to have ready access to the internet, which surprises me. To the best of my knowledge, there are only three of us who served together in our unit still surviving. The other survivor has so many health problems attributable to service in Vietnam, that he’s on 160% war pension. His ailments are listed on his pension card. He has so many ailments, there wasn’t enough room on his card to list them all, so he has two cards, the second to take the overflow.

    • Richard

      Hear, hear.

    • Wheninrome

      The interesting thing is the charitable acts that occurred without thought. My grandparents farmed in the Waikato at that time. They would literally give the food and clothes off their and their childrens backs to the people draining the peat swamps. These workers were often professional people, lawyers etc., who had lost their jobs and had to work for 1/- a day or week not sure. Subsistence and they had to work to get it. Far cry from the demands of today. There might be more real charity or helping hands from the general population if there was less taxpayer funded “rights” to so many things

      • Sally

        Wouldn’t it be good if it was left to the people who to personally support than have the government handing out our money to whoever.

        • Wheninrome

          It might take a generation for us all to get back to feel like giving, have we become hardened because of the attitudes of the welfare abusers.

          • Sally

            I have certainly got hardened. I silently question all when asked for money.
            Just the other day I heard World Vision were offering over $200,00 for a middle management role here in NZ and the next minute up pops ad ad on TV asking for money.

          • Michelle

            i was talking to a person who fund raises for the Cancer society and they said they are finding that the Cancer society is getting more corporate than charity with some staff on over $100k with car, credit and fuel cards

    • jimknowsall

      Interesting, thanks. However, one question occurred to me. If such men “left their families and took to the roads in search of self-betterment” and only worked for food and shelter, who was supporting / paying for their wife and kids?

      • Cadwallader

        I do not know; and there was no DPB or other “paying to breed” entitlements. I am sure some of the men on the roads eventually found stable work and returned to their families. The work done by swaggies however modest, meant they were contributing to society rather than being a drain on it.

    • JEL51

      My parents had a regular that would appear from time to time. Andy Fodey would arrive and fit in as part of our family at the table then join other workers in their bunk room. He was raised in an orphanage and had no family as such but was very fond of the bottle. He would work well for several weeks, then as soon as he had a day off to go to the races with a pocket full of wages, he would disappear. We heard stories of his travels but were never sure how much was to be believed. (I have purposely written his full name in hope others may recognize it and add to this )

  • Sally

    Looks like a party invite for like minded people. They are all coming together to yell at each other.

    • Quinton Hogg

      Thanks for the heads up.
      Fortunately I will be down country on Saturday.
      I pity the neighbours having to put up with the racket that lot will generate.

      • XCIA

        Not to mention the mess these Muppet’s leave behind them. I suppose as usual the ratepayers will pick up that tab.

        • Quinton Hogg

          Yup I bet that will be the case.
          I do the family shopping at New World Vic Park early on Sunday so i will see if things have been picked up.

          • Sailor Sam

            And make sure you take photos of the rubbish.

    • Richard

      If the talks are to be inspiring, they will be very brief indeed, I would say almost non existent.

    • sheppy

      Given that the speakers are Russel Norman and Jane Kelsey – has democracy just been renamed to communism?

    • yoyoyo

      I beg to differ on the advertised “family friendly”

    • El Jorge

      Do we not already have democracy in NZ?

      • oldmanNZ

        Not there kind of democracy.

    • Nige.

      Words fail me

      • STAG

        Not a single name or band I recognise, so very glad the deep south is to cold for the hemp clothing brigade.

    • Karma

      Heads up everyone, this event is one of many around the country on the same day. Consider yourself warned!
      https://itsourfuture.org.nz/day-of-action-across-aotearoa/

    • oldmanNZ

      No Sue? A little disappointed there is no Bradford as the icing of the cake.

      Social justice? Stop the tppa?
      Climate action? Yes…. All about democracy,

      I actually thought this poster was a satire joke.

    • kayaker

      Fortunately away in the Coromadel this weekend.

      • Huia

        Are you coming to the Scallop festival? Scally boats are out in full force this week.

        • kayaker

          Birthday party. But might check out the Scallop Fest now you mention it.

    • Hard1

      If we haven’t got democracy, who has?

    • niggly

      Well would ya look at that – more proof that the likes of Greenpeace (and Oxfam) are hard-left politicised organisations rather than so called charities as they dishonestly claim.

    • Aucky

      One would have to question the joys of CBD living in the Viaduct this weekend.

    • Greg M

      What a difficult decision to make. Should one go to Vic park and listen to this lot, or should one toddle down to Euro for a good long lagery lunch. Hmmm, let me see…

      • johnandali

        You won’t have to attend. It will be top of the news on TV1 with the customary left-wing comments. Betcha.

      • Alfred12

        Oh dear god, why would anyone listen to several hours of negativity & lefty whiny bleating. Norman, Kelsey & the unions, yeah nah if I lived in Auckland Euro would be #1 choice Vic park not on the list.

  • Greg Nelson

    John Key is rightly pointing out that many people on the dole are simply unemployable because they are workshy and don’t pass drug tests. The odd thing is that there are so many people in our country who wish to reinforce and in fact increase this problem by pushing for more relaxed drug laws. Perhaps middle class social liberals think that they and their offspring are better able to control their drug habits than those lower down in the pecking order. Doubt it somehow.

    • RightyTighty LeftyLoosey

      I don’t like the term “workshy”. It’s lazy plain and simple. As for not passing drug tests, it is time to create some jobs where low level drugs are no hindrance. For example, weeding the local park by hand.

      • hookerphil

        Poor poppies

      • Wheninrome

        They could pick up their discarded needles.

      • Huia

        I am with you about the workshy, why try and sugar coat things when language already has several words to describe most things.
        Describe it as it is they = freeloading, lazy, bludging, usless all spring to mind immediately, they are fairly descriptive and honest.

      • johnandali

        A week or two ago, whilst visiting Taupo, we walked the track from the river bridge at the highway to Huka Falls. It was then that we wondered what people who are sentenced to community service do. There were hundreds of items of litter along that track. Disgraceful. You’ve got to wonder what (if any) people are actually supervising community service sentences.

        • Miss McGerkinshaw

          My understanding is that, unfortunately, not a lot of community service sentences are actually carried out and/or followed up on. Hence now when I read such a sentence my brain just says ‘so he/she got off’.

          • johnandali

            A week or two ago, two Taupo sisters were sentenced to community service for resisting arrest, assaulting a police officer, and a whole raft of other offences. I have heard that many who are sentenced to community service never carry out their sentence, but as nobody likes to talk about it, who would know what really goes on? But if it’s true that few people carry out community service, and that nothing happens to anybody who doesn’t turn up, then why hasn’t the scheme been scrubbed? So does anybody actually know who runs the system? And what are the rules? How is it run? How do the general public tell the people who run the system, what needs to be done? And because it appears to be so top secret, I think it’s a fraud.

      • HR

        I think they call that periodic detention?

    • Wheninrome

      A certain ex resident of Omana Avenue springs to mind together with his gang friends. Upper middle class in income lowlow life drug habit.

  • R&BAvenger

    Wicked political cartoon ‘Humpty Hillary’.

    http://grrrgraphics.com/cartoons/humpty-hillary

    • Korau

      I like it.

      Overnight Hillary has had two more violent coughing fits on camera.

      I think she might be suffering from Trump Throat.

      • R&BAvenger

        Well some folks have commented that it’s a Pinocchio-like reaction for when she lies, except it’s coughing, rather than nose lengthening. Alternatively she’s doing a ‘Monica’ impersonation….

  • Isherman

    In some other half good news, well known British hate preacher Anjem Choudary has been jailed for 5 1/2 years for inviting support for IS.

    • Bluemanning

      A light sentence; I read in UK last week that the term should be between 11 and 20 years. Sounds like the judge managed to cut the minimum sentence in half somehow ……

      • Isherman

        That’s the let down, and he could be out in a couple anyway, but it’s a start.

    • Hope he gets incarcerated a long, long way away from anyone he could indoctrinate and radicalise…

  • Aucky

    Another regional ‘crisis’ is looming for Andy. Dairy prices continued to improve at the auction last night and pundits are predicting a price to the farmer of $5.25 per kg which is a tad above break even. Good grief if this trend continues we could head into an election year with not only a resurgent dairy industry but all of those businesses that are dependent on dairy farming eg agricultural equipment, car dealers, contractors heading back into boom times as well.

  • metalnwood

    Just hearing some of the mayoral candidates debating. Homelessness has come up, of course.

    None of them said what I wanted to hear. It’s a government problem if there is one. I already pay tax for social welfare and social services. I dont want to pay more rates for the same thing.

    Perhaps the candidates expect people think it’s the councils problem and the council need to house them and feed them. I would rather hear them talk about pressuring the government than trying to get more rates to pay for more social welfarre.

    • Aucky

      Palino and Thomas were excellent I thought.

      • Wheninrome

        They are competing for the votes Goff wont get, there needs to be 1 right wing candidate for there to be a chance of a change of direction.

        • Aucky

          Absolutely. The real battle is to secure a right wing Council to control Goff. That’s what it’s all about.

      • MaryLou

        Yes, I’m getting a bit interested in Thomas. More research required..

  • Sally

    Boy, you white men are in trouble, the sisterhood is coming to get you. pic

    • Hill16

      Probably quite easy to do …. I work in IT and it’s very multicultural … a lot of our staff are highly skilled Indian, Filipino, Chinese. Lots of excellent women too – I think Br3nda doesn’t know what she’s talking about!!

      • Sally

        Agree, there are certainly a lot of high skilled Indians and Chinese doing IT work. Only need to look at surnames, yes can be Kiwis, (not falling down Twyford’s hole) graduating with IT/computing engineering degrees.

        • Hill16

          Everytime we advertise for Developers/Testers, most of our first interviews are via Skype with India/Philippines – there aren’t enough people here to fill the roles … and we pay quite well!
          Certainly a degree worth getting a student loan for !

          • Sally

            My son,who incidentally a white man, works in IT and he stands out in the crowd. He can get work anywhere around the world.

          • Aucky

            Same as ours Sally. Aside from paying tax he doesn’t base himself here and why would he? There are growing communities of expat IT workers throughout SE Asia contracting worldwide while enjoying top class infrastructure at minimal overheads. Our son is currently in Chiengmai in northern Thailand where fully serviced office facilities complete with pool and gym cost him $70 a week.

    • Aucky

      100% brown men would be OK then?

    • Huia

      Since when does colour matter? except to racists like “Br3nda the Bright of course”.
      Poor white men, the hardest working group and the most discriminated against group of humans.
      That sort of comment makes my blood boil at the sheer stupidity of todays brainless thinking.

      • Hill16

        I’d much rather work with/for a competent team of people – and would also much rather knowing that I’d got my job because of my skills instead of my chromosomes/colour etc

        • Wayne Hodge

          100% agree

    • LabTested

      Wow!! I work in a company with 15 women & 1 (young) white man – who is in the technical role. The young technical white guy reports into to 3 different women (depending on what aspect of work).

      I guess those ladies could just refuse to be his boss & leave

    • Wayne Hodge

      It would help if the tweet was grammatically correct, clearly the author has some vocabulary issues.

  • STAG

    How does CC’s wife bring herself to stand by her husband in court, even if you, (she) knows everything, why would you put yourself though such humiliation?

    Why would you do that to your wife?

    I feel very sorry for RMcG, I think we can all read between the lines and imagine what it must have been like for her.

    • Hard1

      He is a very controlling person, a controlling persona used to getting his own way. His wife could well be very dependent on the reward/punishment discipline that guys like this use everyday on all people around them.
      As his bubble slowly bursts when his pathetic system unravels, support for his wife before he vents his fury on her, may well be need to be quickly put into place, without his permission, and probably not hers either, until the spell is broken.

  • Seriously?

    US election, odds update…

    Clinton 1.48 (on 2/9 was 1.39)
    Trump 3.35 (on 2/9 was 3.85)

    Trump has come in notably since my last check on 2 September, and that has been a trend since his 4.80 on 22 August. These odds are starting to get back to the tightest I have seen on 25 May when they were 1.53 v 3.30.

    Overall, since 25 May Clinton has ranged from 1.29 to 1.53, and Trump from 3.30 to 5.00. I don’t check all that often, just when I do these updates, so this is based on 14 observations since 25 May.

    • JEL51
      • Seriously?

        Three words of caution. That website is very and openly pro-Trump, and they cite only one poll, and they give a national figure rather than swing states (the national figure not being erectly relevant to who gets elected).

        Here is an article from the Financial Times that breaks it down to state by state, those that are solid one way or the other, and those that lean one way to the other. It’s projection has Hillary currently ahead 273 electoral votes to Trumps 153.

        https://ig.ft.com/us-elections/polls

        Trump is still in there, but despite recent gains still has ground to make up.

        • JEL51

          Agree, there are several that have improved though. Last night on Fox Karl Rove explains Florida being crucial one to win. When Clinton has spent 9x$s there is much advertising to happen on behalf of Donald yet.
          http://video.foxnews.com/v/5114153592001/karl-rove-on-what-donald-trump-needs-to-do-to-win/?#sp=show-clips

          • Seriously?

            Florida is one of the FT’s toss-up states, and brings with it a high number of electoral votes. But Trump would need to win all of those toss-up states, and also turn the tide in at least one state that is currently leaning to Clinton.

            I’m not saying that is impossible, but will be hard to do.

            Their silly election system means there are a million different stats out there that are essentially irrelevant, like the national polling figures, and both sides have stats to trumpet or cling-to.

            I don’t fancy Trumps chances. From here on in the financial advantage and organisation advantage that Clinton has behind her will very likely shine through as she can saturate all of the states that matter. Still, a great spectator sport! I’m looking forward to the “debates”.

  • Nige.

    Is anyone listening to Leighton? The lady with cancer? 10:20am

    It should be compulsory listening to anyone who is bludging a benefit.

    I’ll put it up tonight if I remember. Please do remind me.

    • MaryLou

      I didn’t hear it, but Leighton pretty het up about it just now. Understandably. With all the dropkicks we pay for, this is one case that we should be fully supporting. Priorities, much?

  • Hard1

    You are homeless because nobody loves you, or you don’t want peoples help. Other cultures take care of their own less fortunate, as there is no welfare in most countries.
    If a person is homeless because their own character is unacceptable or offensive to even their own relatives, this flaw cannot be removed with State funded care, food or accommodation. The change can only come from within. Guidance towards that change is all that society can offer. We must accept that dropouts will always be dropouts. They don’t have the mental tools to be otherwise.
    Likewise the permanent unemployed. We must accept what we already know, that they will never work unless it’s selling drugs or stolen property.
    Genuine unemployed will always find a job. Their Mana is at stake. You have to want work to get work, and Angry Andy’s screams of indignation are simply empty rhetoric, as none of these no-hopers are taken in as Union staffers or even members, or even helped by the Union at all. They simply can’t work, that is if they turn up. They are the go to loudest screaming fodder for protest marches, these life-long bums who drink and smoke cigarettes and weed, the ones who get a lot of sympathy from the left but no help from them whatsoever, unless government money is introduced. Then that money goes down the drain, the houses get wrecked, the kids get neglected and are feral at 10, the multiple parents orbiting the real world at a safe distance protected by our own stupid touchy-feelie caring, written into law, pandora’s box of ineptitude.
    Funny how the Unions have all the bums on speed dial except when it comes to a paying full time job.

    Society needs a better way to manage those unable to help themselves. A home and free income achieves nothing. A classroom might help, but you can’t tell a weak brain what to do, only ask it. And they always say no.

    There is no plan for the homeless and unemployed who want to be that way. There never has been and there never will be. Dregs will never make fine wine, only fertilizer.

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