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  • Korau

    Just how bad is the terrorist problem in France? How much are the politicians revealing?

    Some 1,400 individuals are already the subjects of investigations related to various alleged terror offences.

    There are 15,000 who are “in the process of being radicalised.

    “There will be new attacks, there will be innocent victims, this is also my role to tell this truth to the French people,” said PM Manuel Valls.

    France must create 10,000 more prison places, says the PM Manuel Valls, who also said that some 15,000 potential terror suspects are now being closely watched.

    France’s prisons system is already in crisis, due to the fact that it has more inmates in its jails than ever before. In July authorities counted 69,375 prisoners compared to 58,311 official places available in the country’s 188 prisons.

    The report by France’s chief prison inspector Adeline Hazan found that France’s justice system is facing a phenomenon “which it had no measure of the nature or extent of”.

    This is the most honest???? appraisal of the problems in France. If they are admitting to this, how much more are they not admitting to?

    Resd the article here : http://www.thelocal.fr/20160912/france-needs-10000-new-prison-places-for-15000-extremists

    • Mick Ie

      If these Muslim extremists were rats, France would be calling for the exterminators to eradicate the infestation. I really don’t see there is much difference.

  • George

    “Cop Punch: Rich Lister’s Son Sentenced” screams a NZH headline.
    I do not condone violence from anyone especially a male against a woman police officer. They threw the book at him and he deserved it. But what rattles my cage is why the reference to “Rich lister”? The NZH then goes on to name his father, mother and his father’s sister and their combined wealth. What the hell has that got to do with the unruly antics of a nineteen year old in Dunedin attending Otago University?

    Those deranged girls that think it’s cool to smash over dairy owners and steal their money and produce, attack them with clubs and kick them into a state of unconsciousness must have parents too. What are their names, what are their financial circumstances.
    That headline should read “Penniless Unemployed Beneficiaries – Daughter sentenced” “The Daughter and niece of Henry and Hilda Noddy and Henry’s sister, Bonny Noddy (who’s combined wealth is zero until benefit day), was sentenced to …………what ever.

    Let’s be consistent NZH!

    • dumbshit

      Equally impressed with “punched a cop”, who happened to be a “policewoman”!

    • Cadwallader

      I agree. The idiot woman who is on morning radio on Live says that the parents being in the rich list is relevant because it means a $5000 fine won’t affect him at all. This is news under construction rather than reporting. (In other words garbage!) This Verity bimbo assumes the “rich lister” father will scoop up the fine etc.. How does she know this? She damn well doesn’t but it makes a typical hate the rich story for Newshub. The stains of John Campbell are indelible in that vile stable.

      • Doc45

        A $5,000 fine would not affect the parents of a “Penniless Unemployed Beneficiary’s” parents either. They would simply ignore it and go on spending their money on booze, cigs and P.

        • johnandali

          It would be very interesting to hear just what happens when beneficiaries are fined substantial amounts, and the sum is never paid. Who chases it up? What are the results? Does it get remitted and substituted with a community service sentence? What are the absenteeism rates for beneficiaries sentenced to community service? What happens if the community service is not served? What message does that give to others? I suspect nothing happens. You can’t get water out of a stone.

    • mehe

      ‘… unruly antics’ ? He knocked out a policewoman, continued to assault her, and attacked another person as well. You make it sound like he pulled a fire alarm.

      Perhaps son of a rich lister is relevant because the defence team got the charges downgraded (3 year max sentence to 6 month max sentence) and a community service conviction. Maybe a son of a beneficiary would be in jail right now.

      • Big_Al

        Yes, that sentence is an absolute joke. Just imagine if it had been you or i that carried out that assault. I’m sure we would end up being inside for quite a while. There is no consistancy in handing out sentences and certainly no deterrent or consequences for many.
        Untill our Judges toughen up and show some balls not much is going to change. Our Police deserve much better support from them.

  • Sally

    David Cameron has resigned from Parliament. Who can blame him.
    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-37342152

  • GoingRight

    So I hear on Newstalk ZB David Cameron is going to resign completely from politics. A sensible move in my opinion. I think all leaders should leave parliament once they have been prime minister otherwise it makes it impossible for the new prime minister. Interesting nothing on the herald on this matter as yet that I could see.

    • Wheninrome

      I think Bill English has done a reasonable job, post his PM days.

      • jimknowsall

        Bill English was never PM.

        • Wheninrome

          I stand corrected, yes in fact leader of National but never PM. When tossed out as leader he didn’t fall on his sword and leave the party, as so many do, he soldiered on through the financial crisis for NZs benefit.

          • Nige.

            I don’t know if that’s called troughing or finding your right place within the party.

          • Wheninrome

            He seems comfortable in the role.

  • intelligentes candida diva

    EID time I will just leave this here to think on if I may please
    https://scontent-syd1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14354929_10153656701222581_4538188839276067600_n.png?oh=69d09b49644ca38b291d4c17bb148cbb&oe=583854E8

    The paradox is EID is promoted as a holy time b& I am sure it is for countless but over and over again are videos on the internet of unholy torture against cattle in the name of EID so why must they video and post their vicious acts against cattle if it is a holy time nothing holy in what I have viewed.

    Yea nah I will stick to my ideology that while promotes a belief in God also
    supports among other tenets, intellectual challenging, and good and kind care of animals unless need for food or clothing & in that there are ways to slaughter animals The ones I have viewed for EID are nothing short of vicious taunting abuse before the death

    • hookerphil

      Didn’t understand what you meant so googled was my friend – very barbaric. I also thought how they all lined up to throw stones was something they were good at when a bound woman was in front of them.

  • Andy Garner

    Just how stupid is Andrew Little? He was on TVNZ earlier this morning explaining how he disagrees with the latest poll results which show Labour at is lowest support in two years DESPITE the fact that the same poll had a 0.1% difference to the predicted results in the last election……

    • Sally

      Breakfast has tweeted his comments. He sure has a problem facing reality. No way his he fit to be PM. Pic

      • Isherman

        That’s a lot to say about a poll you supposedly don’t believe and therefore aren’t worried about.
        But at least he’s talking, more the chance he’ll say something completely dopey. Fingers crossed eh.

      • sheppy

        Yep your absolutely right Mr Little, keep going as you are…
        Now how about JK stemming the movement of voters to NZ FIrst by actually listening to why voters are moving towards Winston. Who knows they may actually have a point or 2!

        • pisces8284

          Then JK would be accused of poll driven policies

          • sheppy

            Instead of Twitter / Media Party driven policies as he is now?

      • Dan

        It all reads very desperate. Does this mean his scoresheet starts from zero again?

        “NZ’s [sic] are telling us that they don’t think ther’re getting a fair deal.” Well he is right there. NZ’ers would love to have a credible opposition. After all we pay for it.

        “we are going very hard on the issues, I THINK matter.” I think???

    • R&BAvenger

      I thought to myself as soon as he started talking ” Explaining is losing”.

      • Isherman

        Clearly he thinks denial is a river in Egypt.

    • Big_Al

      I liked the way TVOne introduced that news article last night. It showed Angry descending to earth in a parachute and crashing onto the ground. Just the same way that Labours popularity in the polls is crashing. Very appropriate i thought.

    • Wayne Peter McIndoe

      And unless they come up with policies that will work and properly costed, there poll ratings will only get worse. Yes people are listening to Labour, and they are not liking what they say – simple

  • intelligentes candida diva

    Saw this and made me smile Nice way to start the day :-)

    https://www.facebook.com/thepetcollective/videos/1275702299111239/

  • Korau

    Is Robert Mugabe channelling Homer Simpson channelling Adolf?

    Dominic Benhura’s sculpture unveiled at Mugabe’s Zimbabwean official residence State House on Friday certainly raises some questions.

    • Huia

      Gee, everyone is going to want one of those.
      Is this brutal old sod going to live for another 50 years, its time he left this earth and gave his people and country some respite.

    • Dan

      From my tablet the face looks like he is chanelling Darth Vader after he popped into an eye clinic that only had rather bad glasses in the “free pair” display.

    • Andy

      Imagine if Len Brown did this? Imagine him doing it? – yes.

  • Disinfectant

    Popped into the supermarket, gas station, dairy and booksellers on Sunday.

    Couldn’t help but notice the heaps of unsold newspapers.

    The decline in sales must be accelerating rapidly, so much so that orders have yet to match with sales.

    • sheppy

      They are so desperate that they keep putting the Herald in the mailboxs around here. It’s not much use to us as we don’t have a puppy or a wood burner that needs starting….

    • oldmanNZ

      I think many people has gone online free copy by now.
      Why pay for garbarge when you can get it for free.

      • axeman

        Well they certainly not worth paying for. Besides how badly would your life be without them. We’ve stopped ours and the only thing I miss is the Deaths, Births & Marriages, I can live with that

        • Aquarius 61

          BDM are often available online from the paper’s web sites, or if your library subscribes there’s 100’s of (full version) daily newspapers available free online as well via PressReader (previously PressDisplay).

    • peterwn

      AFAIK the retailer pays only for the papers sold, but wonder whether ‘returns’ are subtracted from circulation figures. Might be like Dick Smith batteries all over again. Contractor sold a heap of batteries to Dick Smith and through their arcane supply arrangements, the supplier paid Dick Smith ‘cash backs’ on batteries supplied which by arcane accounting arrangements made the books look good until the Ponzi type arrangement collapsed under its own weight.

  • Korau

    Mr Trump said health had now become “an issue” in the election campaign.

    Mr Trump wished her (Hillary Clinton) a speedy recovery and said he would release the
    results of a medical examination he took over the past week, with “very,
    very specific numbers”

    “Hopefully they’re going to be good. I think they’re going to be good. I feel great,” he told Fox News.

    Clinton will also be releasing new medical records to help ease concerns about her health, a campaign spokesman said.

    “There’s no other undisclosed condition. The pneumonia is the extent of it,” Brian Fallon told MSNBC.

    Isn’t politics great entertainment?

    • sheppy

      I wonder if Parkinson’s disease is also known as pneumonia in the US? Sadly from that very believable video on here the other night it appears that Hillary has problems of that nature

    • Ross

      I just can’t believe a thing that comes from her mouth, or her spokespeople. If pneumonia is the extent of it, and she’s had the best medical care for the past 6 weeks, why didn’t they diagnose her earlier? The best thing for DT right now is #CrookedHillary can’t even string a press-release together let alone a campaign to win the big job.

    • Crowgirl

      I heard this morning he’s going to go on Dr Oz this week to discuss his medical results in detail. If so, I think that’s a brilliant idea, and wishing Hillary a speedy recovery was the right way to play it as well. No need to overegg anything; just let things speak for themselves.

    • Seriously?

      While he at it maybe he could release his tax returns as those before him have.

      • DavidW

        Has Hillary released the Clintons’ tax details in a meaningful way?

        • Seriously?

          Well she has released them in the way that is now traditional for all presidential candidates to do, but whether they are meaningful would probably be a mater of opinion. I suppose they are no more or less meaningful than most of the others.

          http://www.cnbc.com/2016/08/12/clinton-releases-latest-tax-returns-paid-rate-of-43.html

          According to her returns in 2015 she has an income of 10.6m, and paid a tax rate of 34 or 43% depending on the way that is calculated.

  • Sagacious Blonde

    That these type of losers are given oxygen to have their 15 minutes only serves to confirm the tabloid status of .Stuff et al these days.

    The Stuff headline, (“Dispute with Prime Minister John Key over $82 dinner bill heading to court”), is totally scurrilous and should be the subject of a complaint – but what’s the point

  • JEL51

    Good on him. With a businessman man at the helm, Murica may just become Great Again.
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/09/12/clintons-deplorables-gaffe-touches-off-merch-meme-frenzy.html

  • Seriously?

    US election odds update…

    Clinton 1.57 (on 7/9 was 1.48)
    Trump 3.30 (on 7/9 was 3.35)

    I waited for a day after Clinton’s 9/11 day health issue to do an update, because I thought my check yesterday didn’t show enough of a change and it may just take a bit for the punters to absorb it. Turns out they don’t see it in the same way I did. While it there has been a tightening of the gap, and Clinton’s 1.57 is the longest I have seen her at since we narrowed to two (she was at 1.53 on 25/5, at that time Trump was paying 3.30), she still has a strong position according to those that put their money where their speculation it.

  • Isherman

    Auckland Mayoral candidate Mark Thomas effectively steps aside from campaigning, given he cannot legally withdraw as such…will use his remaining weeks to attempt to undermine Goff as far as possible before a new tilt at the job in 2019.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11708579

    • Wheninrome

      Should have done it earlier as his name will probably be on the voting papers already. The right candidates needed to get their act together and be honest to themselves as to which candidate had the best chance and let that person alone stand.

      • Isherman

        Agreed, and to be be honest, Mr Thomas was never going to be that candidate, at this point anyway.

  • Nige.

    Aussie commentator talking to Devlin on radio sport just now: “we here in Aussie didn’t have any idea how much Ritchie, Manu and Conrad were holding the all blacks back! We want to thank you guys for keeping them in the team so long!”

    • Nic C

      Haha… that’s awesome. Good to see some of the Aussies have got a sense of humour about it!

    • Big_Al

      As the famous quote from a good old Aussie movie says
      “Tell them they’re dreaming son”

      • Huia

        Those three can go straight to the Pool room. They are treasures

  • Des

    Yes and leading the World section – You guessed it – Hillary Clinton has ‘pneumonia’ and a helpful guide on the symptoms etc. Just in case us plebs start thinking for ourselves. Just cut and paste crap from CNN I think.

  • Nige.

    Im finding it hard to let go….. Here is Trumps response to Clinton’s description of Trump supporters that she made last Friday (the day she was supposedly diagnosed with pneumonia).

    The thought I just had while listening was when he says she’s “not fit for public SERVICE” which instantly made me think of public servants and immediately brought WINZ workers to the forefront of my mind for some reason.

    Now if a WINZ worker described their clients in this was, as “deplorables”, how long would they be allowed to keep their job for?

    They’d be sacked.

    • Seriously?

      Yep, it was a very stupid thing for Clinton to say, and will bite her in the butt.

      But Trump is just as bad. He is the man who said he could shoot a man in times square and his people would still vote for him (or words to that effect). To me that is insulting his own supporters, which I would have thought worse than insulting your opponent’s.

      “Now if a WINZ worker described their clients in this was, as “deplorables”…” You’re right, they would be in deep water, but I think although the generalization was too sweeping to be valid they were just being honest (and probably accurate) about a section of their clients. I’d say the same for Clinton.

    • curry4me

      In 1914, the Kaiser called the British Expeditionary Force [BEF] “That contemptible little army”. They immediately adopted it as a badge of honour.

      • Isherman

        The “deplorable” tag been adopted by Trump supporters on Gab as a precursor in their user names, ie Deplorable Joe Bloggs etc.

      • Seriously?

        I understand the Mongrel Mob got their name in a similar way, being an insult used by a judge that was then proudly adopted by the group.

      • Sailor Sam

        Just like the Rats of Tobruk.

    • JEL51

      I wonder if the boot was on the other foot whether we would see the same generosity of spirit.
      http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/09/12/donald-trump-reacts-hillary-health-collapse-hope-gets-well-soon/

    • Eiselmann

      I know Hilary has back tracked a lot from what she said, that still doesn’t change the fact that she said it .

      She said it about half of the US Military Personnel that will vote Republican, she said it about half of the Police officers, and Fire fighters that will vote Republican , she said it about half of the law abiding people who will vote Republican

      Hillary is a compulsive lair and a hater….so the question is in this case ,did she speak from the heart ,and her regret is that it got picked up by people who are not her sycophants, and she actually genuinely does believe a quarter of all service personnel in America are deplorable…….. or does she not really think this and just got caught out, doing what she does a lot of …making stuff up to give ‘the mob’ something to cheer about.

  • JEL51

    Ken Ring is on with Leighton. Now has support for his ‘evil to John Campbell & others’ suggestion that earthquakes are related to moon phases.

    • MaryLou

      I saw that article and wondered how long it’d be before he poked his head up. Less than 24 hours, it took him!

      • JEL51

        I like how Ken Ring thinks outside the box. I relied on his forecasts (predictions made 2yrs in advance) for oncoming weather systems, so I could plan my pick periods.

    • oldmanNZ

      It could be? Why not, the pull of the moon is great, enough to trigger land shifts.

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