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  • Korau

    “That pneumonia” is stall a problem.

  • Korau

    Sorry, missing the punch line. Silly me, I forget sometimes!

  • waldopepper

    i note this headline on tvnz last night.

    “Hillary Clinton dances her way back into tighter presidential race”

    i watched the clip. can someone show me the “dance”. all i saw was a sad old bitter woman walking around trying to save face from her health scare the other day.

    if they are going to make up stuff, im surprised the headline didnt read “hillary dashes past sebastion coe to take the gold”.

    would be about as misleading as the first one frankly.

  • JEL51

    TRUMP’d……..CNN & co have been played like a fiddle and are demonstrating for all to see that the Left just don’t have a sense of humour.

    • Miss McGerkinshaw

      Brilliant – GO Trump!!!
      Then the press have the gall to moan about being ‘played’ as if they are holier than thou and of course never do anything amiss.

      • curry4me

        He’s playing three dimensional chess against two dimensional people.

  • Doc45

    How many of the wailing, moaning, faux-outraged are going to apologise to the Waikato rugby crowd for their anti-rugby, anti-men vitriol now the independent witnesses have confirmed that the scarlet woman was making it all up?

    • Chris EM

      Where did you read this. Doc?

    • oldmanNZ

      You mean no one paid or licked?

      Why she went to the media instead of police, and the media fell for it. No need to confirm truth, its a story that sells, even if false.

      • Ruahine

        I would probably guess that many in the media new it was false but Hey don’t let the truth get in the way of a good story. It is also another chance for the perennially offended and the barrow pushers to try and get relevant about something.

        • oldmanNZ

          And Susan devoy? Support a false racist story?

          So much for her credibility,

    • Mick Ie

      This is a good example of why we shouldn’t accept ‘trial by media’. Journalists and opinion piece writers have the potential to cause disastrous outcomes for innocent people. We won’t hear an apology though. Instead they will likely scratch around looking for other stories to help support their lies.

      • Wayne Peter McIndoe

        Dont forget the vitriol and “demands of resignation” vented towards Louise Upston Minister of Womans Affairs over her “silence” on the matter – trial by media has sadly become far too common today and it needs to stop

    • Isherman

      The problem is Doc, its gone beyond this singular example for those same outraged crusader types. Now the focus is on the wider ‘problem’ apparently, that being Men, Rugby and Beer. They will just sweep aside any inconveniences in this story and say that it doesn’t matter. We beer drinking rugby loving males are a problem full stop. You watch.

      • Miss McGerkinshaw

        If course you’re the problem. Just accept it!!! ;-0

        On the other side of the coin if you loutish, beer swilling, rugby loving blokes weren’t such a problem poor, dear, hard done by Scarlet may not have a job as I’m not sure she would not be a hugely desirable employee elsewhere – even less so now. Oh dear, no doubt now all of us that pay taxed have to put up with paying her.

        • Isherman

          Well, at least we now have a pretty good idea why she wasn’t at all keen on laying a Police complaint, that might have had its own repercussions for her in the event her story wasn’t quite as she retold it.

      • Effluent

        I don’t drink or watch any rugby, but I think I might take up both, purely to join the ranks of those who are offensive to SJWs ( the W isn’t for Warrior) by virtue of their existence.

      • Raibert

        And all this at a time when there aren’t enough sperm donors! Maybe these people who are so outraged by reported poor behaviour by a group of young males would like to a mandatory reduction in testosterone in all males. He says with tongue firmly in cheek……

    • Shalice

      Half of today’s Dom post is about it. Also for some reason the minister for women (a position that should not exist at all) is for some reason urged to react to something that is not even a case with the police. I thought ministries were for policies and things like that? Officials and Chiefs should continue to ignore this.
      The two SJW comedians on Your Weekend have written completely ridiculous pieces on this also. If they’re so worried about rape culture in Dom post how about they cover actual issues in Germany and Sweden on that to warn the public of the dangers? But no, that would be “racist”. Pathetic diversion of people’s attention away from what’s happening in the world.

  • Florrie Bunda

    Was amazed and gobsmacked to see disgraced ex MP David Garrett on tv one news a couple of nights ago. He held in his hands a white babies coffin. This is the guy who quit Parliament some years ago and was charged with steeling the identity of a dead child so he could get a passport. He suddenly realised it was not a good look, said he wasn’t the right guy to be doing this and put the coffin down. Unbelievable!

  • Cadwallader

    The matron of all things Leftie Ms Marvelly (is that her real name?) has drawn a conclusion about Justice in NZ by comparing two disparate cases of assault. She has used the son of a (gasp!!) rich-lister’s assault case in Dunedin to lead the deluded into believing that Justice in NZ can be bought. The two instances prove nothing of the sort. The NZ Herald has published this nonsense while knowing their (ahem!) columnist relishes any opportunity to have a swipe at the “rich” while ravenously craving her own extravagant betterment. This stance depicts the absurd envy of the Left cloaked in a veil of sanctimony and marinated in a few slurps of Chardonnay. I regret having read the garbage.

    • Isherman

      Though I still maintain that he should have been charged with aggravated assault, having heard some of the detail around the incident, rather than common assault which is what ultimately led to the relative leniency.

      • Cadwallader

        Either way; the point is that she has drawn a conclusion that justice is open to be purchased which is derisive and tyrannical. The two cases do not reveal that NZ justice can be bought. The police lay charges so why they chose not to elevate the charge is their call entirely. (Actually had his assault been vicious enough they could’ve perhaps charged him with attempted murder through recklessness?)

        • OneTrack

          Master Delegate is lucky I’m not a cop, because, based on what I have heard about it, I would have charged him with Attempted Murder.

          • Aucky

            I hope to hell that the police appeal. Delegat Jnr has a major anger problem and will reoffend.

          • Cadwallader

            All of this is fine; but please note it is the tenor of Ms Marvelly’s writing at the core of this. Justice cannot be bought despite her vile inference that it can be. Delegat may re-offend but I doubt it for two reasons:
            1 If he as much as sneezes in the direction of a police-officer they’ll be down on him;
            2 He may finally grow up and out of his self-absorption.

        • Isherman

          Yes and that’s the point she misses, sentencing was entirely in line with the charge, and she has concentrated on a critique of the sentence passed, not questioning the appropriateness of the the charge itself. But go on, tell me you genuinely expect any better from her :)

      • BigNose

        And yet brown folk get away with murdering children by having their charges reduced.

    • XCIA

      Garner, writing in the Dominion was despondent in his view that white people got a better deal from the justice system than Maori. It seemed to him that white rich people got the best deal of all. My immediate thought on this was that unless Garner had analysed the “white” kids DNA, how could he be sure that he did not have as much Maori DNA as himself. There are a lot of blue eyed blond people running around today claiming Maori ancestry.

  • GoingRight

    We note that Jack has come home for his Granny Hillary! Can’t see it working. The age difference, their personalities – don’t think Paul Henry or Mike Hoskins have anything to worry about.

    • Minnie Mouse

      Agree. TVNZ will rue the day they booted the current breakfast hosts off the BF show to replace them with more of the same.
      BF will never overtake Paul Henry and his show.

  • sandalwood789

    ACT needs a new leader. Seymour doesn’t have what it takes.

    They have been mired on 1% forever. They have the most stupid policy of all parties – a “more refugees” policy for what is supposed to be a right-wing party. That is a ridiculous, “goody two-shoes” policy.

    If Seymour were going to raise ACT’s support he would have done so long ago. He hasn’t and he won’t. As another poster mentioned, his biggest flaw is that he wants to be liked. The party has got nowhere and will get nowhere with that approach.

    They need a leader with a “damn the torpedoes” attitude. Someone who *loves* being hated by the media. Someone who will put in a policy because it is *sensible*, not because it is “nice”.

    I’m thinking that someone from the Armed Services would be perfect for a leader.

    • Isherman

      Be careful with that last bit, that’s almost like qualifying Ron Mark as someone perfect for leadership. Snigger.

      • sandalwood789

        True – good point, Isherman…….

      • johnandali

        I have known Ron Mark since the early 1980’s, but have lost contact with him over the intervening years. Ron is a shining example of a person who has had a difficult upbringing, but has been an outstanding achiever throughout his life, in contrast, I would expect, to many others who have had similarly difficult beginnings. Coming from a difficult background, one would have expected Ron to have been a Labour supporter, but the simple fact that he isn’t, says a lot about him. I would never vote for NZ First, but I do admire Ron’s achievements and stick-ability.

    • Sailor Sam

      To paraphrase Monty Python – “Seymour is not a leader, he is just a weak politician”.

    • curry4me

      Someone half as good as Prebs would be fine.

    • BigNose

      Yeah, I agree. I had high hopes up to last year that ACT would fill the void Key had left to the right of the spectrum, but not to be. I’m thinking Winnie would be better concentrating his efforts on the right flank, keeping as far away from the pinkos as possible.

  • Keeping Stock

    Kudos to John Roughan for calling out Penny Bright’s candidacy for the Auckland mayoralty:

    None of the candidates I heard at a public meeting last week said a word about the impotence of the elected positions on the Super City council. Besides Goff there were Vic Crone, John Palino, Mark Thomas and David Hay, not to mention Penny Bright whose presence I found offensive.

    Until she pays her rates she shouldn’t be allowed to vote, let alone stand for election.

    Well said.

  • rantykiwi

    It’s good to see Ted calling it as it is
    I think it’s probably the worst Australian team I have ever seen and that’s a real worry for the game.


  • johnandali

    So try this one.

    A Foxton landlord who rented his house out to a tenant with a lease that said no pets, found that the tenant had a dog, and the dog had urinated and defecated on the carpet, causing $3,000 worth of damage. The landlord took the claim to the tenancy tribunal which ruled that the tenant did not have to pay, because the damage was not caused intentionally. It’s going to appeal. Well, if that’s the way our country is going, it’s obviously well on its way. Here is the link to the article:


    • Miss McGerkinshaw

      Noticed that and just thought – well there go a few more rentals as landlords pull out of the whole idea. At this rate the only people will to take these dropkicks on will be ‘us’, i.e. the government!

      • johnandali

        One of the Stuff comments complains that they have pets, and have been looking for a place to rent for a long time, but all landlords stipulate no pets. And a further comment is that somebody is sure to blame John Key.

        • Miss McGerkinshaw

          So if all landlords stipulate no pets then the answer is simple – get rid of the pet (or don’t get one in the first place might even be a better solution). Yes know it is lovely to have a pet but actions -> consequences.
          Easy really, until you own your own home you just don’t get to have a pet.
          Notice also that often these poor penniless beggars on the footpath have dogs. Now if you don’t have income why get a pet – from my own experience they are not cheap. Comforting as they may be they are a luxury not a necessity.

          • johnandali

            It would be very interesting to see if the next census includes pet ownership details. Our statisticians would be able to show the correlation between home owners and renters in respect to pets. It would also tell us how many dogs and cats there are in NZ. And that could be very interesting.

      • MaryLou

        Yes, like the loans we now give out to dropkicks whose credit rating is so bad (risk) that reputable companies will not lend to them. Its to keep them out of the clutches of loan sharks – which is commendable – but get this – having ripped off their own banks or other finance companies, we lend to them, and take the full risk at a rate well below market rate. In other words, if you’ve worked your behind off, own a home and have a perfect credit record, you cannot get a car loan anywhere near the rates these scum get it at. It pays to be lazy and unscrupulous in NZ.

  • JEL51

    TRUMP’d #2….The Deplorables to the sound of Les Miserables
    Luv it!!

    • Miss McGerkinshaw

      Brilliant move, as was his ‘playing the media’ re Birthgate.
      Think if I was eligible to vote in the States I would be changing from voting AGAINST Clinton to voting FOR Trump.

      • JEL51

        I enjoy the comments on Breitbart as much as WO. Good bunch mostly.

        • Miss McGerkinshaw

          Have only started skimming Breibart lately – thanks to it being mentioned on WO – but yes am enjoying it AND the comments.

  • Nige.

    I went to school at Nelson College with Hamish Marfell. Looks as though his intelligence hasn’t changed.

    • Les couilles de chien.

      yup, just read some of his further comments on there and I think he’s a bit of a tit.

      • Nige.

        I think if someone like him is bad-mouthing the blog then that’s a good thing.

        • Maybe I should come for him now.

          • Nige.

            Tell him Nige sent you