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  • hookerphil

    Fog early in Christchurch and to be cloudy all day. That’s what happens when Canterbury loses even when the All Blacks win.

    • Carl

      To add to your good news Jordie Barrett has signed to play for the mighty Hurricanes for a few years.

      • hookerphil

        Deluded boy

        • Wasapilot

          That loss to Manawatu was the last straw. He will fit in well at the Canes, current CHAMPIONS and he will be surrounded by All Blacks who are all local boys. No imports needed for the Canes.

          • hookerphil

            Geez you two, bit deluded. One win does not signal a dynasty of Wellington wins. Now just concentrate on getting back into the big boys rugby top division, have to beat Otago (and Manawatu) to do that

          • Carl

            Hard luck Waikato fans but Taranaki to take the shield today. You heard it here first.

          • hookerphil

            I fear you are right unfortunately as Canterbury’s cunning plan to confuse Waikato was to lose yesterday. May have been in vain.

  • Ginny

    The 5 most read items on the Herald this morning are ( in order of importance): rugby, rugby, rugby, rugby, rugby 😄

    • hookerphil

      The world is in balance

    • Wasapilot

      Isn’t is great 😀

    • Sailor Sam

      But the online version headlines “the real housewives of Auckland”, multiple times, including a racism issue.
      Then there is the fluff piece advertorial about some 3rd rate actor staying in a “rich lister” pad in inner Auckland that just happens to be for sale.
      I really, really must rush out into the rain to buy the paper version. Yeah Right!

      • OneTrack

        And there will be another NZ Herald management meeting on monday to discuss why nobody is buying their crap. They honestly don’t get it.

      • Aucky

        The hypocrisy of the Herald makes you sick. I have just read the article while waiting in the supermarket queue. They blather on 24/7 about the homeless and the poverty-stricken and their front page lead article is devoted to a TV programme about a group of wealthy trophy brides engaged in what must be a series of staged situations set up to entertain the unwashed masses. Evidently one of these women called a fellow Asian participant a ‘boat n*****r and the lawyers have been called in. The offender’s husband (a merchant banker) isn’t too worried because his clients don’t watch that sort of trash (his description) – this is heady stuff. How did the Herald descend into this mind numbing trivia? Why did you ever sell up, Michael Horton?

    • Carl

      Most popular on stuff has 6 of the top 7 is rugby, what a great country we live in.

    • Taser

      There’s more entertainment watching grass grow than watching pathetic rugby, imho and everyone is entitled to one.

    • Huia

      I guess you have to have your priorities right.

    • A Goldie

      I think we read the rugby columns because we know having watched the game that it is the only thing in the paper that is most likely to be truthful or at least reported without a slant.

  • Richard

    Finally some justice for Scarlette the stripper.

    The chiefs 70 year old bus driver is to be sanctioned by a full season stand down period, neither will he be available for the All Blacks bus driving duties.

    Now the MSM and all the other social justice warriors can rest easy, knowing that their unrelenting shrieking has outed the perpetrator.

    • KGB

      HDPA shames women of NZ who were not sympathetic to Scarlette’s side of the story.
      We “judged” her.
      Yes we did. You see Heather when people ‘cry wolf’ (or cry to the media), we believe it undermines the credibility of all victims. Women who truely need our support, and the courage to come forward.
      The media seized the opportunity to put Scarlette out there, now they’re running stories that cloud her credibility.
      In reality who has damaged Scarlette the most? Herself, a bus driver, the Chiefs, or the media?
      Catch up HDPA.

      • Usaywot

        Oh, come on, HDPA! A woman takes her clothes off in front of a room full of tanked up rugby players, gyrates on their knees and then wonders why?!! Of course we judge her. There has to be some scale of what is acceptable behaviour.

        • KGB

          I don’t actually judge her job. Prostitues, Strippers, Pole-dancers, are all honest legal professions. She should be able to perform without harassment.
          I judge her ability to control the situation she was in and then run to the media.
          Many professions have dangers, hazards, and consequences. Roofers fall, pilots crash, and strippers get licked.
          A true professional identifies hazards and alters behavour accordingly:)

          • geoff2112

            She should have put her orange cones out

          • ex-JAFA

            Are you suggesting that Trump had recently motorboated her?

          • XCIA

            Prostitutes, strippers, pole-dancers, may all be honest legal professions, but I would say they all don’t attract honest people.

          • Usaywot

            Legal maybe…honest..hhmmm?

          • KatB

            If you’re a nurse tending to a patient in hospital, you could rightly expect to not be touched in a sexual way as nothing you are doing is suggesting anything sexual. If you’re performing in a room full of guys, naked with your legs wrapped around some guys neck, it shouldn’t completely surprise you if you get the odd slap, tickle or lick, as you’ve kind of set the scene. As you say, that sort of profession doesn’t always attract the best type of clients either.

        • Wheninrome

          Under what category does licking her anus come and paying to watch that.

    • Carl

      It makes you wonder if the driver has been thrown under the bus.

      • Aucky

        Take one for the boys for a couple Test tickets last Saturday?

    • Michelle

      I saw last night somewhere that a couple of the witnesses to the whole saga have leaked their reports to the MSM but l cannot find it this morning
      It cleared any player from misconduct and they could not get a comment from Scarlette or her lawyer
      It basically said that nothing she said had happened and their was about 3 hrs of cctv footage to back up their claims of no wrongdoing but l see someone else has another “Opinion” about that in the MSM this morning

      • kayaker

        Just wait for cellphone footage to come out.

        • Michelle

          Posted a link up further but here it is again from witnesses
          http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11711414

          • kayaker

            Thanks. I read that when it came out. I just don’t think this will go away. NZR can blame themselves for that. They should have shut it down properly and professionally at the get-go.

          • Michelle

            Yes it is like a weeping sore that they will keep poking at when they want to stir the pot again
            The facts are being lost with everybody who thinks they are somebody putting their 2 pence in, l see HDPA having a go today
            It was poorly handled and l don’t think the rugby union thought it would blow up this much and have gone to ground now hoping it will go away
            Hubby read out from somewhere last week? that Louise Nichols has got a job advising the rugby union but that hasn’t stopped the noise
            l suppose it fills papers on the slow news days when nothing is happening in the world, tui ad

          • kayaker

            Yes, I read that too. NZR has asked Louise N (and Jackie Blue?) to help them out with the culture issues.

    • Mrs_R

      During and after this whole fiasco driven by a lying Scarlette and a compliant media, I have been impressed with the strength of the Chiefs team and their commitment to each other. Not one player broke ranks to try and save their own reputation in the face of what they knew to be lies. Clearly all of them were innocent of any illegal wrong doing, many in fact were not even there, but without exception they all stood together and accepted all the misplaced public scorn that came their way. An example of true team spirit. All this to protect the reputation of an old man who was put in a situation that he was not equipped for, nor prepared for. Perhaps Scarlette should think twice before wrapping her legs around an old mans neck who only did what he thought was expected of him given the spirit of the event and her actions. Let’s be clear she didn’t mind him doing it, she was just spewing that he didn’t pay for that extra.

      • Wheninrome

        The chiefs paid for the little floorshow.

      • kayaker

        Mob mentality. That’s why they didn’t break ranks. We will never know who was lying – the inquiry wasn’t independent. The stupidity and arrogance of NZR is unbelievable.

        • Mrs_R

          The CCTV footage provided was ‘independent’, so too was the eye witness accounts of nine witnesses. Are you saying they all are lying? The police did not pursue any further inquiry at the request of Scarlette. You may be confused as to who is telling the truth, but I’m not.

          • kayaker

            No, I’m not saying they’re all lying. It would be more accurate for me to say will the full and correct story ever be known. Because the management at NZR didn’t have a SOP in place to handle incidents like this and the the inquiry was not handled by an independent person/s, it’ll be a long time before this goes away. No matter the rights or wrongs of the case, NZR fluffed it big time. NZR handed the MSM a gift. I’m not on anyone’s side here, just on the side of doing things properly.

    • Doc45

      Someone to come out of this in a reasonable light is Louise Upston, the Minister of Women’s Affairs. She refused to rush to judgement unlike some of her fellow female politicians. Of course the ‘feminazi’ snarled and beat up on her for not being loyal but its now them with egg on their face. What a disgrace – media commentators prejudging, anti-rugby females screeching, and a pathetic attempt to blame women by HDPA.

      • Huia

        Don’t forget our Race relations officer Lame Suzy came out of her corner swinging, fists up, ready to join in on the Rugby players crucifixion by adding her voice to the one sided roar of outrage from the feminazi’s.

    • kayaker

      Poor guy. He said he was egged on by the players who paid for the foul act.

    • rantykiwi

      That’s absolutely settled it for me. In the same vein as the Chiefs were given no chance to defend themselves from the SJW brigade, I have decided that all bus drivers are disgusting mysoginistic perverts and latent rapists so I’ll just have to keep driving to work as I refuse to get into a vehicle with anyone like that.

    • Michelle

      http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11711414
      Here is a link to an article that showed up last night from witnesses on the night

  • MaryLou

    Disturbing random thought for the day: Trump seems to have a better understanding or appreciation of the Russian (Putin) point of view – or at least the stated point of view – than most US leaders of late. But the Russians play politics in a very different way to ANY Western country and as an example have fair reason to consider the Cuban crisis a success from their point of view. Putin is a chessmaster, and that’s how he sees the world.

    Does anyone seriously think that Trump is up to that level of play? Not that Hillary is, but Trump?

    • Damon Mudgway

      Trump’s biggest problem is he’s not a politician. But surely he must have some nouse as a businessman, which does suggest he may be able to anticipate endgames.

      What his success so far has shown is that a lot of Americans are sick to the back teeth of politicians.

      • JK wasn’t a politician before he became a politician, maybe not a bad thing.

    • JEL51

      I have watched most I can find on-line ‘searching’ the natural instincts and the one attribute that stands out to me in Trump, is that he listens. He knows his own limitations and I think he will

      • MaryLou

        Maybe you are right – I hope so. I get the feeling he will win this race, which is something I am sure Putin would prefer. I hope he does put good advisers in place and listens to them – Putin can be a charmer and a flatterer – as well as a strongman – and I worry that Trump might just hear what he wants to hear. Certainly Putin will be welcoming some of his policies – like the withdrawal from NATO and other agreements. Toothless as NATO may be, whatever clout it has, comes from the US involvement.

        • JEL51

          Aside from mysterious poisonings & disappearances, I get the impression Putin is well liked by his people. Not even he would want to destroy that willingly.
          My fear at the moment are the demigods of the EU. Juncter & co. I was relieved to read earlier that Farage is not stepping down from the fight that he is going to keep working against the Great Global Cabal. Hope he has his eye on the UN too.

          • MaryLou

            Yes, they are more of a threat than Putin globally at the moment, and it is good that Farage is sticking around. I can’t help thinking that a Politician this effective that doesn’t want the top job, might be a good choice, for the top job. But… maybe he has found his calling and is best doing what he does.

            Regarding Putin though, I still feel desperately sorry for the wee states he will swallow up, the Kurds, and others that are affected by his policies. I wish there was a US leader who could counter that effectively.

          • JEL51

            The ‘Whole World’ thing is so fluid at the moment. I guess we have been exceptionally lucky to have had stability for so long up until now. Both very scary and slightly exciting all at the same time.

    • Blackewe

      Trump is a lot smarter than you give him credit for. His first job is to secure the borders, get his countrymen into jobs and to achieve this he needs America to stop being the world’s policeman. All the propaganda from the media party quote the lies from the Democrats. In reality he has a lot of loyal followers who themselves are demonised by the media. There is so much fear in this P C world your worries fade into insignificance. Be hopeful, the people who make up this great country will get the leader they choose and it’s their choice after all. So yes Trump is up to it and he has a good team. God bless him.

      • MaryLou

        It is their choice indeed. :) Nonetheless it is of very real moment to the rest of us, because if the US isn’t going to be the worlds policeman, someone else will. And the small guys (like us) have to hope that it will be someone whose mindset/culture/way of life is the same or similar to ours. We have no desire to emulate the Chinese/Japanese/Russian/EU way of life!

    • XCIA

      It is said that since Wall Street deemed him untrustworthy and that source of money dried up, he has been sourcing from Oligarchs who are Kremlin friendly.

    • curry4me

      He might be. As a property developer in NY, he’d have to deal with unions,city hall, other businesses, sub-contractors, the Mafia [possibly] Congressmen, tenants,suppliers yada,yada,yada. So his negotiating skills should be pretty formidable. I’m not sure about his three dimensional chess skills. But they’d have to be better than Hilary Clinton’s.

  • Sally

    Just working out who I will vote for in my local Albany Ward. It will not be Walker and Watson – as promoted by a Labour candidate standing in the Waitakere Ward. So will probably go with Lisa Whyte who I know is hardworking and John Bensch. So unless someone as heard of a reason why not, these 2 will get my tick.
    We do have an interesting crazy candidate Alezix Heneti whose policy is to build a Kiwi Disney on the North Shore and make it free for all children and 65+.

    • MaryLou

      LOL really? Ah well, you gotta have these guys to keep life interesting… just don’t vote them in!

    • Wheninrome

      I would go with the Disney candidate, fresh ideas…….

    • RockinBob625

      Disney on the North Shore? As the Auckland City Council is a Mickey Mouse organisation, why not?

    • jaundiced

      Going through the blurbs on each candidate that came in the letterbox I see one mayoral candidate states his credentials as being against abortion.
      I think they must have confused running New Zealand’s largest city with some other job.

    • oldmanNZ

      thanks, I don’t know who either, I go with your pick

    • kayaker

      I like the sound of that Alezix

  • jaundiced

    It is apparently news that a member of Real Housewives made an offensive comment to another cast member.

    • oldmanNZ

      how do we know its real or part of the act to make some “real live drama”

      Think susan devoy should go and sort it out, it must be a racist comment.

    • Huia

      I am astounded the MSM seem to be pushing this pathetic show like they are, every day there is something about the show in the media.
      Are we really so brain dead that this garage is news or even on the screen.

      • Aucky

        That TV3 can get a commercial return on this garbage just reflects the society that we have become. That the once proud Herald chooses to devote its entire front page to some racial scandal associated with the programme is tragic. The Herald is now establishing some form with this sort of garbage – just think ponytail.

  • JEL51

    Interesting article on/about Facebook & how they find/label you politically/preferences.
    It says Clinton has spent $300 mil on advertising to Trumps $20 mil but Trump spent $8.4 mil of that on Digital advertising. Huge $ spend by Clinton. (Of course they haven’t admitted to closing down facebook accounts of people they find have a negative influence to Clinton yet)
    http://www.breitbart.com/california/2016/09/17/facebook-labels-liberal-moderate-conservative/
    Edit: on/about clarification

  • kayaker

    We got our Auckland voting papers on Friday. Took some time and thought to fill them in, especially the actual Council members itself and the various boards. I made the error of ticking instead of prioritising from 1-7 on one of the boards – wonder how many people do that – I went back and dutifully put numbers beside the ticks!

    Anyway, when it came to voting for the Mayor, after many ‘Jimmy Fallon moments’ with pen poised to make our marks, in the end neither of us could bring ourselves to vote for any of them. So our papers were posted blank in the Mayor department. Are we bad people?

    • Melissa

      Oh for goodness sake! I’ve just realised I did ticks and not numbered 1-7. Bugger!

      • kayaker

        Haha! Someone else! I reckon there’ll be a lot of invalid papers. What were they thinking combining two different voting methods?

        • Melissa

          Stupid if you ask me!

  • Huia

    Trolling through archives and wondered if I had discovered an old photo of Helen Clark when she was a girl.
    Has all the Hallmarks.

    • MaryLou

      Haha – just showed my daughter this picture, her immediate comment – THAT’s ME!!! She was exactly like that, at that age… and still has her moments

      • kayaker

        This is my 3yo granddaughter!

      • dumbshit

        A “chip off the block” eh!

        • MaryLou

          Mmmm – no comment.
          :)

  • idbkiwi

    In the latest news…

    The scandal surrounding the Supergirl Rugby franchise team, the “Indians” only deepened today upon an admission that the coach-driver who delivered the belligerent Boadicea’s to the tavern of shame was, in fact, the deliverer of not the just the cargo of heinous hussies but also the unwanted and infamous tongue-twist which had so offended male disrobement artiste “Chuckie” who had previously laid blame at the feet, or rather the oral muscular organ, of the several, diverse or possibly the entire collective lingula maximii of the innocent Indians.

    Further alarm visited this reporter on learning that the deviant driver was a septuagenarian, but when approached for comment the Indian’s spokesmen expressed disbelief as she had previously understood the driver to be a Capricorn. The shameless seventy-year old driver, Jezebel (not her real name), in attempting to defend herself proffered a less-than-believable version of events which went something along the lines of Chuckie performing some sort of naked upside-down pirouette which culminated in a pincer movement, pinning Jezebel’s head between Chuckies thighs, from which outlook Jezebel was very easily able to observe the symmetry, or lack of, vis-a-vis Chuckie’s love triangle and that during this observation period, probably due to asphyxiation, Jezebel ejected her dentures and was merely trying to retrieve them by the only means possible to her when the whole misunderstanding was misinterpreted and Chuckie demanded compensation which was subsequently witheld from him by the tippled team of trollops, although Jezebel was successfully reunited with her dentistry.

    Chuckie is just trying to get on with his life and didn’t want to comment further except to say he had accepted the very kind offer of Indian’s sponsor, Gallaghers, as a fence-tester and that although his first day had been something of a shock, a wake-up call so to speak, his new employer had impressed on him the importance of good grounding to the industry.

    Earlier reporting of this dreary debacle can be found here:
    https://disqus.com/home/discussion/wobh/whaleoil_general_debate_7494/#comment-2821164099

  • cod

    My own experience is somewhat similar, being told by a lawyer that “don’t bother contesting any aspect of Child Support, it will only cost all you have for no changes”, and having the ex ask for administrative reviews every year, at which point the IRD bang 50% on the required payment, it really does feel like the world is against you. However please tell you friend that it does get better, and if you can find a way through life gets pretty darn good on the other side.

    • Damon Mudgway

      That’s exactly what I’ve told him. He’s got another 3 years then life’s back to normal. Getting through the next 3 is gonna be the trick though Cheers.

  • Huia

    We sadly have first hand knowledge of a situation very similar to this DM.
    One of our sons was in a terrible position after his wife took off with someone else. He had his own business and was self employed while his ex did the business paper work.
    After she had left and emptied the house and bank accounts he received a visit from the Inland Revenue wanting to know why no GST had been paid for three payments. He was staggered as the cheque book clearly showed the amounts had been paid. They hadn’t of course the money had disappeared but cheque butts had been filled out incorrectly to cover the disappearance.
    There was also his forged signature on a loan taken out that he was unaware of and a second mortgage so he lost the house as well.
    He could not win, no matter how hard he worked or tried to get on top of things.
    I asked him once how on earth he had been unaware of these things, his reply still lives with me when he said “if you cant trust your wife Mum, who can you trust”.
    The woman who was in charge of his file in the IRD was older and very unsympathetic to his situation, as our son told us “I am young, I am a male therefore I am guilty”.
    He tried and tried to get them to review the amount he was paying for his two children as he had worked it out they were taking too much. Nobody would listen and in the end he didn’t even have enough to live on and pay rent, in the end we lost him to suicide, he could not fight the system and the situation any longer.
    Through the actions of one selfish, greedy young woman who knew exactly what she was doing, our beloved family changed forever and took a hit that we will never ever recover from.
    So I know exactly what you are saying DM, watch him and don’t ignore any niggle of worry you might have, please act on it.
    It is a terrible system and a terrible situation.

  • Eiselmann

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37399592

    25 wounded in New York bomb blast….

    • sandalwood789

      I’ve just seen a Gab post quoting “an unnamed NYPD source”.
      The source says that the blast was an Islamic terrorist attack.
      Surprise, surprise.

      It won’t make any difference to “the elite” though. Key will continue to bring Muslims here and Devoy will continue to praise them.

  • ex-JAFA

    Sigh. Assuming this is legit, is it any wonder that the likes of Gab are starting up and getting a following? What a loser. Zuckerberg, I mean.

    • curry4me

      When, not if a viable alternative to Face Book arrives, there could be quite an exodus. Especially if one could transfer one’s existing content.

  • edenman

    Waylon Jennings had the right answer. “If I’d shot her when I met her I’d be out of jail by now'”.

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