Why elect a National government that taxes and spends like a Labour one?

On Facebook, David Seymour asks why we should elect a National government that taxes and spends like a Labour one.  In order to hold onto power and to gain the middle vote,  John Key has been unashamed to keep old labour policies and to steal new labour policies. What really is there left in National to differentiate it from the Labour Party?  There are charter schools but that is an Act policy. I think National has lost sight of its Conservative roots.

The National Party has quit hiding its socialist streak – it’s now boasting about it.

When Steven Joyce literally puts out press releases (see below) boasting about increased income redistribution, it’s easy to see why National needs ACT to put the right back into centre-right.

With Bill English safely overseas, Steven Joyce announced that the top 10 per cent of households now pay 37.7 per cent of taxes – more than when National were accusing the opposition of ‘communism by stealth’. Are taxpayers meant to think this is a good thing?

Once again, ACT has to ask: what’s the point in electing a National government that taxes and spends like a Labour one?

-David Seymour FB

New data from the Treasury shows that income redistribution across New Zealand’s income tax and support system continues to increase, with the top 10 per cent of households forecast to pay 37.2 per cent of income tax in 2016/17, compared with 35.5 per cent in 2007/08.

“This latest data confirms that New Zealand’s income tax and support system significantly redistribute incomes to households in need,” Acting Finance Minister Steven Joyce says.

“Higher income households are paying a larger share of income tax than they were in 2008, and lower income households are paying less – the 30 per cent of households with the lowest incomes are forecast to pay just 5.4 per cent of income tax, compared with 6.3 per cent in 2007/08.

“This is before the effect of redistribution from Working For Families and benefits. The Government has increased support for low income families to help New Zealanders through times of need. So at any particular time, a large number of households effectively don’t pay income tax,” Mr Joyce says.


As for David Seymour’s question, I am afraid there is only one answer.

Question:Why elect a National government that taxes and spends like a Labour one?

Answer: Because Labour will spend even more of the taxpayer’s money than National and at least John Key is a competent and popular Prime Minister.

  • Canucktoo

    Time to party vote ACT and get some momentum back to the right?

    • R&BAvenger

      Depends on the overall effect of such a party vote. If it simply scavenges the National vote and therefore reduces the number of seats they can bring into parliament on the list then the effect is either a stalemate, or a LabourGreen stitch up.

      I think it’s best to keep one’s powder dry to consider your voting strategy once the lay of the land, voting intentions-wise are known in election year.

      My gut feeling is the party vote will be important again and ACT are far too weak to gain support nationwide.

      • spanishbride

        Yes and in europe parties prepared to be politically incorrect and offer the voters what they want ( reduced immigration etc ) are doing really well. Look at Germany.Look at Australia and how well Pauline Hanson is doing now.It takes huge balls to run that kind of party. If you want to be a John Key and have everyone like you then you aren’t up to the job.

  • Damon Mudgway

    The Nats under Key have been pretty good at keeping most of the people happy most of the time. A hard task to be sure.

  • R&BAvenger

    All very well for Seymour to put postings on FB. He might as well be the ‘Mr Invisible’ of NZ politics right now as he has nil profile. ACT have failed to grow again, given the gift of Epsom by National.
    Posts on social media and their own newsletter are timid responses. Like FREED, a response to a cry for decent media in this country, there is a similar need for a decent strong and reliable partner for National. ACT is weak and seemingly unable to be nothing more than a one-man band.
    ACT were given the opportunity in the last election but have failed to kick on.
    This leaves voters wishing to vote tactically being ‘forced’ to keep their party vote for National, the alternative doesn’t bear thinking about.

    • spanishbride

      I am very disappointed that David has yet to make good on his promise to send me a guest post. He was good enough to allow me to interview him recently over the phone but I have been asking for guest post for a while now. I asked for one on immigration preferably which may be the sticking point as it requires a willingness to not be so timid.

  • Bartman

    I like this answer – but a vote for Act by the disgruntled right would bring about a few extra seats and some additional policies to the patient public. Bring on election day!

  • Michelle

    And a hard working Prime Minister who puts this country ahead of holidays when parliament is in recess

  • LovetoTeach

    Exactly – we still need to vote for them because they are the best option for our country. If we want things to swing to the right – how about we get a little more vocal about it, instead of just threatening to pull our vote. Let’s get amongst it

    • OneTrack

      That is probably the point Seymour is making – if you want more right wing you will have to start giving Act more votes so they can influence National more.

      • LovetoTeach

        I am not going to vote for ACT just because they “on the right” – i need to see what I’m voting for. (I have actually party voted act a few times, but not all the time.)

  • cows4me

    As I have said New Zealand and especially their politicians are addicted to socialism the only difference is National think they are clever buggers and their version will work out in the end. Want to know why no slowing in immigration, you need a continual revenue stream to top the pot up. National the party of business, the business of removing more private wealth year on year. If National truly cared this tend would be going the other way but of course they know better. There’s only one thing they need to understand, you can’t make all rich by making all poor.

  • XCIA

    Seymour can blag the PM and National all he wants, he will never change my mind or get my vote. He is starting to sound like one of the moaning Minnie’s that make up the left.

    • Alan Beresford B’Stard

      Considering his whole existence is only made possible because of the National party, you’d think he would be a bit more circumspect. Bite the hand that feeds you springs to mind.

      • Not Clinically Insane

        There’s also the need to be seen as independent though…. and not just a lap dog

        • Alan Beresford B’Stard

          Yes that’s true, must be a fine line to tread. I don’t envy him.

    • kayaker

      He’s spending far too much time whining. I’m over him. At first, I thought he had potential – National gave him a role putting their faith in him. Fine one he turned out to be.

  • Aucky

    It’s pragmatism pure and simple. Even a slight shift to the right by the Nats jeopardises the votes from the ‘missing million’ and bingo we have to live with the coalition from hell and see the hard work of nine years evaporate in the biggest spending binge this country has ever seen. Our country stuffed!

    I’ll live with JK’s lefty streak if it means more years of prosperity & full employment. So the Nats are taxing us more – who cares, it’s only marginal and it’s the way that it’s spent that counts.

    Let’s not chuck the baby out with the bathwater, the alternative is unthinkable.

  • Ruahine

    I would sooner trust a man who has a wife and six children with my money than a man who does not even know that his ‘wife’ is drinking in the same pub and the same room as he is and then denies it when said fact is pointed out to him by HDPA.

  • Keanne Lawrence

    He doesn’t putt from ruff does he? He is getting to seem more like Robbo as he gives us the benefit of new “knowledge” where the dominance of this seems to blot out facts and lessons leaned from a spendthrift socialist administration.
    Tolerance was expended to Seymour with many adopting a wait and see as a result of his tender age. Apart from Charter Schools it looks like it will be a prolonged wait for us to finally any sort of growth, consolidation or most of all any degree of maturity from him. What we see is a petulant little fellow masquerading as a politician being swept uncontrollably like a rudderless boat.
    Baloney again.

  • Rick H

    If Labour were in power right now, I’d wager a bet that the “top 10%” (the rich pricks) would be paying 100% of all the tax take.

  • zanyzane

    National is paying for a Christchurch rebuild to the tune of $15 to $20 billion and they are still able to run a tight balanced budget. John Key is a financial wizard. If there is enough in there in the budget to help pay to make people’s lives better then it is very wise to do so. Social Welfare is the price of peace. We either pay for Social Welfare or we pay for armoured vehicles, body guards and barb wire for social unrest.