If this doesn’t make you throw up your muesli I don’t know what will.

A father and daughter pleaded guilty to incest when they appeared in the Dunedin District Court this afternoon.

Judge Kevin Phillips convicted them and remanded them on bail, with conditions prohibiting communication between the pair, for sentence in November.

The pair – aged 37 and 23 – have previously been convicted of incest, after the woman gave birth to a child in 2011.

The pair, who have interim name suppression, had troubled upbringings.  

The daughter was born after the man entered into a sexual relationship with his foster mother when he was only 13 and she was 30.

He had little to do with his daughter during her upbringing, but a sexual relationship between them started shortly after they were reunited in 2010.

She was 16 at the time.

They were both sentenced to supervision for the first conviction in 2012 with the father also receiving a sentence of community work.

The latest offending came to light following a police investigation in 2013, a summary of facts said.

The pair will appear before the district court again in November.



– NZ Herald

  • Keeping Stock

    The pair, who have interim name suppression, had troubled upbringings.

    You don’t say! There will be some who will argue that’s none of our business, but they have already reproduced once at least, and something needs to be done to stop that happening again.

  • Greg Nelson

    I’m not sure what the problem is here. We as a society have said that it’s fine for two men to marry and by hook or cook have children, we have said it’s fine for young people barely out of their childhood to have sex, we have people advocating for polyamory so that men can have multiple wives, we have said it’s fine for girls to get an abortion without their parents knowing, we have people advocating for children to make choices about their gender- and on it goes. It’s just part of our brave new no holes barred 21 st century morality. Get with it! It’s their ‘right’ after all. Isn’t it?

    • Usaywot

      I know you are being ironic but I get your point. It won’t be long before people start demanding their right to incest, after all, they shouldn’t be discriminated against should they? and, yes, I’m being ironic too.

    • Evan

      You missed the bit about the high incidence of genetic deformities from inbreeding..

      • ex-JAFA

        Copulation doesn’t necessarily result in pregnancy. I agree that the idea of incest is icky, but that just means I won’t do it. So long as participants use contraception, are sterile, or are of the same gender, I don’t have a problem with the concept of consenting adults who are close relatives sharing an intimate relationship.

        • Damon Mudgway

          Yeah, but father and daughter, or mother and son is just…weird.

          I guess I am reassured in the knowledge that those that participate in incest will rot in hell, while I myself will enjoy the fruits of heaven and chillax at the bar with my mate Jesus.

    • MaryLou

      Yep – agreed. If you’re going to throw old fashioned morality to the wind and celebrate the lack of anything to replace it – you lose your right to judge. Yes, I think yuck, but then I think yuck about a lot of socially acceptable stuff nowadays! Picking and choosing seems a bit… random.

    • Rebecca

      “No holes barred” : very clever. Now stolen by me!

    • jaundiced

      Agree, but the whole issue of incest covers a broad range of issues. From consenting ‘well adjusted adults’ (even though ‘yuk’ to everyone else) where no one else gets hurt. To cases of abuse, dysfunction, paedophilia etc, or where the incest is just a symptom of all sorts of other issues.
      Then there is the issue of off-spring, which is where the social banning probably arose. Apparently the negative impact on off-spring is being seen in many Muslim communities where marriage between first cousins is the norm.

      • jimknowsall

        I agree, although marriage of first cousins is not incest and isn’t illegal in NZ or most western countries.

        • jaundiced

          If social restraints on incest is a natural evolutionary mechanism, perhaps it should include cousins.

          • jimknowsall

            Perhaps, but historically with people living in small familial communities or tribes, disallowing first cousin marriage was probably too restrictive while the rate of genetic problems for such unions is actually not that great: 5% vs 3% for unrelated parents.

        • ex-JAFA

          Marriage can never be incest. Incest is about copulation, which isn’t necessarily a given in marriage, and is regularly achieved outside of marriage. While I support the idea of close relatives being prohibited from reproducing because of the genetic abnormalities which are common resulting in healthcare costs at my (the taxpayer’s) expense, I don’t see why society should interfere in the love lives of consenting adults.

          • jimknowsall

            The point with incest is only partly about abnormalities. The other main issue is to do with one partner being in a position of authority over the other, such as this example of a father and daughter. It is inappropriate in the same way that a teacher and pupil or doctor and patient relationship is inappropriate even if all concerned are consenting (and able to consent). This is why it is still incest if you have sex with your foster or step parent even though there is no genetic link.

          • jaundiced

            Marriage can never be incest.

            In Oklahoma it apparently can be, where a mother married her daughter. No issue of genetic abnormalities, unless they already existed.

    • RD

      Apparently 4 years is old enough for gender reassignement surgery? One of “hundreds” on the waiting lists …………….

  • spanishbride

    This all started because a pedophile (the foster mother) preyed on a 13 year old boy. Why isn’t she being punished? That was the first and original YUK!

    • Don O’Brien

      I agree that she should have been punished but 24 years ago, the focus was on the male offenders.

    • Karma

      Surely she could still be punished if someone really wanted to make a case 24 years later? (Think Rolfe Harris). Isn’t also a bit strange that a 30 year old female was a foster carer for a 13 year old? Was it an official arrangement with the proper authorities, or one of those family type arrangements?

  • Mick Ie

    Isn’t this now identified as a genuine condition?
    As dysfunctional families split up, move away and stop all contact, I suspect these stories will become more common. Not just here, but around the World.
    If family members meet up after many years apart, they may find themselves attracted to each other due to a multitude of confused feelings.
    It must be heartbreaking to fall in love with a stranger and know you can’t be together because that stranger is also an immediate blood relative.
    I understand why an incestual relationship is unacceptable, but feel terribly sorry for anyone that finds themselves in this type of situation.

  • oldmanNZ

    I have read a similar story before, when a father is reunited with their teenage daughter, a bond is formed… And in some twisted way, they fall in love.

    If you look from that angle, you can see how it happens,
    Also with mother and sons.
    And its probably happen a lot with so many broken homes…

    Strip away our moral upbringing and civilized culture…. We revert back to animals.

  • duve

    I believe incest is much more widespread in New Zealand than we realise, especially in small towns. With the larger number of solo mothers these days, and the increasing trend for no father’s name on their kids’ birth certificates, who knows who is related without DNA testing? I think it’s highly likely that many small town teens have partners who are possibly half-siblings.

  • Mike

    Yes it’s totally wrong… but is it worth the cost of the police investigation and courts time?

  • david W

    From a genetic point of view we are attracted to people who are genetically similar to us, ie our kids-parents and siblings.

    However there is an inbuilt anti-attraction that forms in the ages 0 – 5 (I think 5 but might be anywhere 3 – 7ish can’t remember the details). They found this out due to Kibbutz in Israel. As all the kids were raised together, people were very surprised that no kids married anyone else in the same kibbutz but always married someone else from outside. Hence the did some research / study and figured out that if you were raised in close proximity to someone you were sexually repulsed by that person.

    So hence thinking of having sex with a parent or sibling is a revolting thought.

    But if you remove this inbuilt repulsion by not having anything to do with child / parent / sibling as you were raised elsewhere, then because you are genetically similar you are actually attracted to them. So hence in this case the child and dad didn’t have much to do with each other in growing up, there is some attraction there.

    I do agree that (a) it’s messed up and (b) the women should have been charged. If we reverse the genders then it would have been front page news, and cries for justice.

    • Nige.

      “From a genetic point of view we are attracted to people who are genetically similar to us, ie our kids-parents and siblings.”

      I have heard that said hundreds of time. I cannot relate to it at all.

      That to me sounds just like “the science is settled”