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Marama Fox lost her debate against Imperial Tobacco by labelling Dr Axel Gietz as “Goebbels” when discussing plain packaging on The Nation.

When you resort to Nazi allegations you have lost the argument.

Maori Party co-leader Marama Fox has stormed out of a TV interview after accusing a tobacco company spokesman of “peddling death and destruction and misery”.

Ms Fox got into a heated discussion with Imperial Tobacco spokesman Dr Axel Gietz on TV3’s The Nation today.

Dr Gietz said if the introduction of plain packaging goes ahead as planned, it could create a tobacco black market in New Zealand.

Ms Fox became angered during the discussion and accused the tobacco spokesman of “peddling death and destruction and misery on our people”.

She also compared Dr Gietz to Nazi propaganda chief Joseph Goebbels.

Dr Gietz is in New Zealand to oppose plans to introduce plain packaging.

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Key dampens down Winston’s rallying cry for the people to take back power

Winston Peters was the only NZ politician to predict Brexit occurring.

Understandably, he is crowing about it and telling voters that they too can take back their country…by voting for him of course.

John Key has other ideas:

Prime Minister John Key is not buying the line from NZ First leader Winston Peters that the UK vote to leave the European Union is a wake-up call for democracies everywhere, including New Zealand.

“I don’t think you can really compare and contrast something that’s happening half a world away with very different circumstances,” Mr Key told reporters on Saturday.

If anything, New Zealanders may appreciate the stability they have.

On Friday (NZT) the UK voted in a referendum to leave the European Union, causing turmoil in world financial markets and triggering the exit of UK Prime Minister David Cameron by October.

New Zealand is in a vastly different position to the UK, Mr Key says.

“We can control our migration, they can’t,” he says.

The New Zealand economy is also in a much stronger position than the UK’s, he says.

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Whaleoil General Debate

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MP Marama Fox walks off the set of The Nation after comparing tobacco lobbyist Axel Gietz to a Nazi Germany leader. screenshot-whaleoil.co.nz

MP Marama Fox walks off the set of The Nation after comparing tobacco lobbyist Axel Gietz to a Nazi Germany leader.
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MP Marama Fox walked off the set of The Nation this morning after calling a spokesman for big tobacco a “peddler of death”.

She told Imperial Tobacco spokesman Dr Axel Gietz: “You make billions of dollars every year profiting off misery and death. You are a peddler of death.”

Before getting up and walking out, she said: “I’m not going to listen to you. I think you should crawl back into the hole that is reserved for corporate executioners.”

She also compared him to a leader from Nazi Germany.

Gietz is in the country as a result of New Zealand’s moves to bring in plain packaging for tobacco products like cigarettes, something the industry is opposed to.

…During the debate, Fox likened Gietz to “Dr Goebbels” – referring to Joseph Goebbels, the head of propaganda during Adolf Hitler’s rule in Nazi Germany.

Gietz – who is German – said the attack was a first for him.

“I get called a lot of names,” he said. “What happened to me this morning, that was a first.”

“Yes, I get called names, but you know what, my experience is it doesn’t help to do a tit for tat. I try to do the voice of reason. I try to put forward my arguments.”

Fox admitted she had gone on The Nation to give Gietz “a bit of a telling off”.

But, she said, likening him to a Nazi leader “might have been a step too far”.

She said Goebbels was known as Dr Death, and she saw both as peddlers of death.

Gietz didn’t appear to take offence at the insult.

“Nobody gets anywhere by ranting at people and losing their tempers.”

He joked Fox’s outburst could go viral.

-Stuff

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