capital gains tax

Fed Farmers and NZIER agree…Labour’s CGT is a dud

Despite some epic dancing on the head of a pin by David Parker, the Federated Farmers commissioned report from NZIER is damning of Labour’s Capital Gains Tax.

A report by the New Zealand Institute of Economic Research (NZIER) reinforces Federated Farmers concerns over the Labour Party’s proposed Capital Gains Tax (CGT).

“The NZIER say the Labour Party’s proposed Capital Gains Tax would not be a good addition to New Zealand’s tax mix as it is proposed, we agree,” says Dr William Rolleston, Federated Farmers President.

“The nature of politics will see the Labour Party try to dismiss the NZIER report.  Yet they must listen to the message because the messenger is credible.

“We commissioned the NZIER to examine Labour’s CGT proposal since it represents a major change to New Zealand’s tax system and has been devoid of critical analysis.

“Perhaps the most concerning aspect of the report comes down to the Labour Party’s revenue assumptions.  In 2011, the Labour Party estimated a 15 percent capital gains tax would raise $17.5 million in its first year, rising to $3.7 billion by 2026.

“The NZIER tell us these estimates are high, since the revenue potential of its proposed CGT is more likely to be half that sum.  In fact it may be smaller.  If this key policy is out by such a margin it asks fundamental questions about the Party’s shadow budget.

“What’s more, the Labour Party’s estimates of CGT revenue were revised up this year.  The NZIER noting Labour’s “…2014 estimates are less believable than the 2011 estimates.”

“Labour also expects to raise at least $1.3 billion from the farming sector but a more realistic estimate is half that sum in 15 years’ time.  NZIER further estimates that the loss in current farm values will be between $2.4 billion and $7.6 billion.  But this will be a one off hit for farmers.

“Lower land values mean lower tax revenue too.   Read more »

Some more reader questions about Capital Gains Tax

I doubt Labour can answer these, after 4 years they still have no idea what he shape of the CGT will look like.

Hi Cam & All

I have a few questions regarding CGT that I don’t think I’ve seen raised, and which certainly don’t seem to have been put to Cunliffe:

What adjustment will be made to the selling value of a property due to inflation? In other words, this tax fails to take into account inflationary pressures, and is, in effect, a tax on inflationary gains (which, as we all know, is NOT a capital gain in the real sense of the term).

Another thing that is not taken into account is the real cost of purchase. Most people buy a house using a mortgage. The real cost of the house (purchase price + interest) is much higher than the actual value of the house when purchased. Will this be taken into account when determining any capital gain?     Read more »

Cunliffe all over the place on capital gains tax

The Fairfax embedded Labour fanboi and sometime political reporter finally comes clean on how the MSM like to pick up their pay cheques without doing any work.

The last sentence in the article says Labour is being dragged into the mire by a clever National by forcing it to explain the detail of its policy!

But by dragging Labour down into the mire, explaining detail of its tax plan, National had its best day of the campaign since its official launch 11 days ago.

Seriously, you actually wrote that, it’s on paper, there is a record of it!

Explaining details of policy is now being dragged into the mire!

Reporting on hacked emails, some of them forgeries is high principled good journalism though.

If you want a proper explanation with detail that treats you like a grown up with a brain stop here, if on the other hand you want to know what a bunch of middle aged gossips with not a lot to do thinks well stick to the MSM.

Forget for a moment the rights, wrongs and details of Labour’s capital gains tax. National is cock-a-hoop.

After days and days dominated by dirty politics, it has shifted the focus – for a day at least – and put Labour and its leader, David Cunliffe, on the defensive.

The issue flared after the Press leaders’ debate on Tuesday when Cunliffe ducked answering Prime Minister John Key when he asked if under Labour a family home held in a trust would be hit by a capital gains tax (CGT) – and then claimed it would.

It was Key’s best “hit” of the night, leaving Cunliffe looking awkward and trying to change the topic.

It is a mystery why Cunliffe did not come back in the second half of the debate and call Key out on misrepresenting his policy, after his advisers confirmed the family home in a trust would be exempt.

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Impertinent questions about Labour’s CGT tax grab

It’s also completely unworkable.  ACT’s Jamie Whyte explains

Exempting the family home from Capital Gains taxes is harder than it sounds.  What if you charge one of the children board?  What if it is one of the children’s friends?  A boarder?  Many South Auckland families share a house.  When does it stop being a family house?  If you take a job overseas or elsewhere and rent the home for a while, is it still a family home? What about the Granny flat?  What if it is not granny?

Labour’s proposal is not fair.  The million dollar Dotcom mansions will be capital tax free and the Otara ex-state house will be taxed because the owner needed extra income to pay the mortgage.

As with many Labour policies, it’s just aimed at the rich pricks, but hasn’t actually been thought through.   And with David Cunliffe hiding all his wealth in trusts, he’s got no idea how it will affect real people.

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Hands up who wants to trust an “expert panel”?

David Cunliffe says that Labour will make sure there is an “expert panel” who will determine whether or not the house you are selling is your residence, before applying the capital gains tax.

Key said National would release its fiscal plan next week but reiterated any tax cuts would be modest and aimed at low and middle income earners.

He hammered the point that Labour would add five new taxes and tried to reprise the “show me the money” moment from his 2011 debate against Phil Goff asking Cunliffe if his capital gains tax would apply to houses in trusts.

But Cunliffe avoided answering, turning the topic instead to Labour’s broader tax plan. His advisers told media in the break that the tax would not apply to the family home if it was in a trust.

Speaking to media after the debate, Key clarified his attack on Cunliffe regarding Capital Gains Tax applying to family homes that were owned by a trust.

“My read of the [Labour policy] is that if you own a family home and it’s in a trust, under Labour you will be subject to a capital gains tax because that policy says that you don’t pay a capital gains tax on a family home… if you are the owner/occupier. 

“But, of course under a family trust the trust is the owner.

Key said he’d received a “ball park” figure from an unnamed tax specialist that 300,000 Kiwi homes were in trusts.   Read more »

Labour’s CGT tax grab is coming for 300,000 Kiwis

John Key destroyed David Cunliffe’s capital gains tax plans last night in The Press leaders debate.

He forced David Cunliffe to admit that 300,000 Kiwis were going to get slammed with the capital gains tax on what is ostensibly their family home, despite the promises of the Labour otherwise.

John Key landed a blow on David Cunliffe over Labour’s planned capital gains tax in a fiery leaders debate in Christchurch.

ONE News political reporters say The Press leaders debate seemed pretty even until the National leader turned to his Labour counterpart and asked: “Will I pay a capital gains tax if my family home is in a trust?”

After being challenged again with the question, Mr Cunliffe responded that Labour will run surpluses every year “as long as there is no international downgrade”.

He said Labour will “pay down the record debt this government has built up – more than New Zealand borrowed during World War Two”.   Read more »

Herald editorial slams Labour’s health bribe

Another day, another poorly poorly designed policy although this one is just a straight out bribe to rip the votes away from Winston First.

People are seeing Labour’s cynical health policy for what it is, a bribe, with money the government doesn’t even have.

When policymakers in the modern world worry about the cost to future taxpayers of ageing populations, pensions are only part of it. Healthcare also contributes to the bill. As is always evident in doctors’ waiting rooms, older people are heavy users of health services. But it is not just their number that is increasing as the postwar baby boom moves into retirement; advances in the care and treatment of organ deterioration are rapidly extending the human lifespan. Welcome and wondrous as they are, the treatments come at ever increasing cost to a decreasing ratio of working taxpayers.

For that reason, younger voters ought to ask hard questions of the Labour Party’s election promise to provide free primary healthcare for everyone over 65. The first question to ask is, how many of them need it? Some with chronic conditions may struggle to afford a fee for the frequent visits they need, but these days general practices are funded for the needs of a range of enrolled patients and doctors can vary their charges. Labour proposes to replace doctors’ discretion with free consultations and medicines to the over-65s regardless of their ability to pay.

It would give the elderly the same benefits provided to children up to age 13 in this year’s Budget, which Labour endorses. It would add pregnant women to the free list too, for any medical attention they might need in addition to the prenatal care that is already free. Not all parents of children under 13, or expectant mothers, need these benefits either. Many can well afford to pay a fee. But at least a case can be made in generational equity for children and young parents. Not so, the older generation.

Labour is offering free doctors and medicines to a generation that grew up in a welfare state, attended university at a fraction of the cost faced by their children, bought houses at lower relative prices, had their top income tax rates reduced by half early in their working years and enjoyed galloping house price inflation in their peak earning period.

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Labour intends to pick your pockets by at least an extra $5 billion

When I describe Labour as the Tax and Spend party I really mean it.

They are planning to raid your pockets by an extra $5 billion because they know best what to do with your own money.

On Q+A, David Cunliffe said:

By the way, a capital gains tax which at full running is going to bring in 5 billion dollars a year, close to, 4 to 5 billion is the single biggest change to New Zealand tax policy in decades and it’s one that I’ve personally championed for years.

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I wonder if Moira shudders every time Cunliffe attacks evil property developers

David Cunliffe and various other Labour spokes-people like to attack property developers and speculators. It is the rationale behind their capital gains tax proposals.

David Cunliffe in speech to Young Labour:

We have too many children who are getting sick because they live in cold, damp, cramped houses with black mould growing up the walls. Sometimes owned by speculators who just push the rent up while getting rich on tax-free capital gains.

David Parker on The Nation:

  • “You need to tax the speculators….capital gains tax
  • “Loan to valuation ratios would not be needed if they were taxing speculators and building affordable homes.”
  • “National Party, despite the fact that we had 40 percent house inflation, they’re not doing anything about it. Not taxing speculators…

I wonder though what evil property developers, Moira & Ian Coatesworth, think about that policy.

Moira Coatsworth and her husband Ian live just north of Thames on the Thames Coast.    Read more »

How many Tax Commissars and Stasi operatives will Labour need?

Labour's new tax commissars line up outside IRD's Stasi HQ

Labour’s new tax commissars line up outside IRD’s Stasi HQ

Labour’s newest great idea is to establish a Tax Stasi, filled with Tax Commissars who will be “embedded” in businesses that Labour thinks are bastards.

They will be observing what is going on and reporting back to the Tax Stasi Gruppenfuhrer

This is an outrage…you can’t tell me that once the Tax Stasi have finished doing over multi-nationals that Labour won’t suddenly decide to implement more snitches and stasi agents and lower the threshold and rules down to businesses with say $30 million turnover.

What is more of an outrage is labour have exempted banks from the snoopy activities of having Tax Stasi agents roaming the corridors looking for evasion.

If National had done something like that Labour would be accusing them of cosying up to bankers, and corporate cronyism…like they do now over insurance companies?

You do have to wonder though if one of labour’s aor David Cunliffe’s major secret donors is bank or someone associated with banks.

There are serious questions though…surely if they are targeting tax dodgers and rorters then the unions should have Tax Commissars assigned to them, in particular Unite Union, with their history of non-compliance. Or will Labour except unions from having Tax Stasi Agents sitting in their offices.

In other matters you can tell they don’t know what to do about almost everything because they have retained their promise for us to trust them, they know what they are doing, look we will appoint an Expert Panel.

Expert Panel : An Expert Panel will be established to deal with issues that are technical in nature and involve areas where a high degree of specialised knowledge is required before a final decision can be reached.

This policy will raise an additional $25 million in its first year, growing in outyears to reach $1 billion a year by 2020/21.

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