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Comment of the Day: When did national security become a partisan issue?

Chaff wrote

How did our national security become such a partisan issue?

In comparison, the opposition in Australia have just been quick to acknowledge that some things are more important than scoring political hits. Don’t Cunliffe and Norman sit on the security committee?

Our PM isn’t protecting a ‘Nat Government’, he is protecting THE Government, all 120 something politicians of all stripes, and rebutting the accusations that have been levelled against THE Government.

I agree that questions can and should be asked, but one of the ways we protect our national security is to ensure bipartisan consensus. If the incumbent government had to rush through some legislative changes to protect NZ then fine, now let the bipartisan security committee manage the issues over time.

People are letting their growing hatred of the incumbent leadership of NZ cloud their judgement, which appears to me to simply be an inevitable polarisation the longer one party stays in power. There is certainly an ‘it’s our turn’ mentality built into the Westminster system, so this is almost
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MAWG wrote a pearler this morning

If a persons right to privacy in their communications is now to be predicated by their politics, and the concept of public interest, then we are at the precipice of a slippery slope.

Some will argue, what is the difference between what the news organisations are doing and what the SIS and GCSB does. Last time I checked, the SIS and GCSB do not run a daily newspaper or make news bulletins.

Others say, what is the difference to what Cameron did with the Labour Website and this hack. What Cameron did, is point out that Labours website was insecure, but he did not release any private information.

What was done to Cameron, was illegal. Some would argue that releasing the name of convicted sex offenders was in the public interest, yet Cameron was convicted of breaching the law. There is a double standard here. I restate my earlier point.

A person’s right to privacy should not be predicated by their politics.

Media organisation enjoy special protections in law.

A precedent has been set the last month or so.

Will this be a low to which we’ll not return for a long time?   Or is this the new benchmark?

If the latter, politicians, business people and media people should all expect to be subject to this at some stage.

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Mac50 wrote

My only “complaint” about Whaleoil is how much time it takes out of my day, every day! I try to spend less time here, but cannot help it, it is so informative. My wife just rolls her eyes and says “not on there again ….”. Being enlightened with an alternative view from what is otherwise given by so called journalists has been quite illuminating.

Previously I may have considered voting further left, but now see how critical for NZ’s future that National do win and carry on their good work. Read more »

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One thing about the debate that is starting to come out. During the ad breaks, Cunliffe conferred with his entourage. Apparently he came in with 5 minders, who kept giving him talking points, information and the like, while Key only came with a press secretary, who he didn’t run to every ad break.

I have been listening to Tim Foulkes on ZB, who has said that when Cunliffe comes in for an interview, he is always with a minder who feeds him information and lines.

Cunliffe is a puppet. Get him away from his minders, and watch him flounder. One on One, he would be toast. He needs his posse with him.

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Whaleoil regular MAWG writes

I have a question for the MSM. In 2011, private info from the ACC were inadvertantly released due to a failure to secure private information. As a result, the ministry, and the minister concerned, Judith Collins, were castgated in the media for weeks, while the person who received the information, and used it to their own ends, got off scot free.

in 2012, Kieth Ng, a freelance journalist using MSD self service kiosks found ways to access unsecured private information. As a result, the ministry, and the minister and the PM were castigated in the media for the failure of the system, just as they were with the ACC. Ng was not challenged in any way by the media.

But when Labour fail to secure private data, and people who are aligned with the political right access information in the SAME WAY, the story line is slanted against the receipient of the information, and not the owner of the database. In each case, the political right is the bad guy. Why? This double standard needs to be explained.

Credit where it is due, I’ve seen Andrea Vance highly uncomfortable with this.   Read more »

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Ghost said

OK, so on one hand we have a rich man, started poor, worked his way up the ladder of life, has Jewish ancestry, and is referred to as a Hitler type by some people who are cuddling up to a rich man, who worked his way up by theft and other illegal means, is of German decent, has a Nazi flag and book, SS uniforms [not confirmed] etc who is being touted by these same people as the liberator of the poor and down trodden…

Is there a some form of mental retardation going on here that is far too sublime to be recognized? (and don’t say by left, everyone is allowed some follies in life)

1522540_604038833000447_1766392077_o-560x791New Zealand politics for the 2014 election has come down to who is more Nazi-ish.

Will rational debate return?

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Yes. David Cunliffe was widely touted as the saviour for Labour.

Seems he’s not so much “Jesus Christ Superstar” more “Life of Brian”.



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Last night, the Daily roundup started with this:


Congratulations to Abigail, Heidi and the 74 other new Constables who graduated from Police College yesterday. #poltwt #nzpolice

This photo caused the following remarkable conversation:   Read more »

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A bit early to call it, but it is rather on point

This year I have stepped out of my comfort zone… I will support a Kelvin Davis Labour seat and a John Banks acquittal. The alternative seems offensive, and morally corrupt.  — Planesailor