Farmers always get sooky when they are called bludging ratbags for wanting a free right to pollute, and not to pay the full cost their business incurs. I want to explore why this is, and give farmers a chance to defend their bludging.
One of the most perplexing parts of this bludging is the “Two wrong make a Right” bludge. Farmers always come back with town sewerage pollutes waterways too – and that means they should be allowed to pollute. Read more »
This website and my views are staunchly right-wing. The media loves to use that term thinking it is an insult…it isn’t.
I believe in free markets, that subsidies are evil, and that costs should fall on the costs of businesses that incur them.
Yet every time a post about bludging farming ratbags who want to get huge hand outs or make a private profit by socialising the costs the commenter’s in this blog start making all sorts of attacks on me and people who promote legitimate right-wing, free market thinking. Read more »
Given the Southland Times broke the Israeli non-spy story after the Christchurch earthquake, that turned out to be just freaked out students wanting to get home fast , you can say it is one of the less high-brow among our nose-diving fourth estate. There wasn’t much mention of the damage this accusative did to our ’100% Pure Brand’ in Israel, or among Israeli Americans.
Now we all know that Fairfax, like the Horrid, only employs ’decent journalists, trained and skilled’. Well today’s ”A pretty average editorial“ shows some true ‘genius’. There’s unintended irony for you.
“A pretty average editorial” gets the Campbell Jive violins out right at the start:
“The average New Zealand business with a turnover greater than $700,000 a year spends 21 per cent of it on wages. The dairy industry, just 7 per cent.”
You can see where this is heading. Those nasty dairy farmers need to employ a lot more people so they can have shit productivity as, I don’t know , a provincial newspaper based in Southland: Read more »
Ele Ludemann raises a good point at Homepaddock.
Why is the state still farming?
The nationwide drought has reduced Landcorp’s earnings by $12.3 million.
The company would break even for the year, though a change in the weather could alter that, chief executive Chris Kelly said yesterday.
However, the Government’s expectation of a year-end dividend would not be met. . . .
Landcorp is an SOE with about $1.6 billion of assets yet won’t be paying a dividend.
Why is the state still farming?
The company shouldn’t be sold as a whole but it should gradually sell its 122 farms and free up the capital for use in other assets which are core government business. Read more »
Bluefin tuna are being caught faster than they can reproduce, which is terrible news for bluefin tuna and people who like to eat them (but seriously for the tuna). These fish are awesome, and I didn’t know farming tuna was possible, but it is, with a few caveats. Bluefin in captivity don’t procreate unless they’re shot with a hormone-tipped spear gun (really). Also, the fish the bluefin are fed still have to come from somewhere, so calling farm raised fish sustainable is something of a misnomer. More sustainable though. – via Kottke
The socialist Minister of Agriculture David Carter has been telling fibs about the One Plan Decision. He has claimed that the One Plan Decision will cause on farm costs to rise between 22-43%. He has been peddling some dodgy research that was not held up by the Environment Court.
This is bullshit, and farmer and chair of Horizons, Bruce Gordon, has issued the following statement.
Having been issued a copy of the report (Evaluation of the impact of different water policy options for managing water quality limits) this week, council chairman Bruce Gordon said the report analyses different policy scenarios in the Manawatu Catchment – none of which reflect the decisions made by the Environment Court in relation to the One Plan or outcomes sought through the One Plan.
“Landcare has indicated that none of the eight policy scenarios evaluated in the report for the Manawatu are comparable with the One Plan as decided by the Environment Court.
The real numbers that David Carter cant seem to find are:
“In fact, the 43 per cent scenario highlighted in the media in terms of impact on profit bears no relationship to the context of the One Plan. I understand the scenario that comes closest to the One Plan shows an impact on profitability of less than 1 per cent.”
Mr Gordon said that this type of misinformation was extremely disappointing and caused unnecessary distress on the farming community.
David Carter needs to look at his officials that have allowed him to mislead the media, farmers and the public with shonky numbers. He should also be mindful that people who pretend to want to be Speaker need to be above reproach and telling fibs won’t help that.
David Carter has had a disconnect with the truth. He has been peddling false figures about the One Plan, saying that it will increase farmers costs between 22-43%.
He is either being poorly advised or he is pulling these numbers out of his arse. The Department of Conservation summarises the numbers as follows:
The Court heard evidence on the economic impacts of the plan which indicated the average increase in farm costs of less than 5% but ranging up to 16.6% in some cases. The evidence used by the council was disputed by the primary sectors, who put forward their own evidence however this evidence was not upheld by the court.
It wasn’t upheld by the court because it was bullshit. Bludging farmers having a sook about economics doesn’t mean they are right, and their numbers were considered a joke by peer reviewers, and the Environment Court.
Farmers should realise that just because they have had a historic right to pollute it doesn’t mean they have an enduring right to pollute. They cant screw up our rivers and get away with it like they did in the old days. Their need to internalise the cost they are imposing on society as a free right to pollute is just a dirty big subsidy and subsidised business are unviable.
Farmers should stop saying “we are farmers, aren’t we great” and start saying “we are businesses and we have obligations like every other business in the country”. If they were polluting rivers with a factory they would be getting shut down until they stopped ruining a public good, and would be fined and made to pay for the clean up.
The Greens and Labour should be holding David Carter to account for his fibs. If his department or Federated Farmers are putting up numbers that are bullshit it is a free hit on Carter and they should be hitting him hard and often. Ministers need to base statements on fact, not stuff someone pulled out their arse to justify polluting our rivers.
Some people don’t like me calling Farmers bludgers.
I think the bludgers comment stinks.
I am a farmer, I have a water take consent and i pay that account (non Dairy). I pay a large wad of tax which partly ends up supporting some dope smokin waste of space on the countries tit…how did i get labelled a bludger in comparison to “true” bludgers??
The comment shows poor form- it is a generalisation which pisses me off.
All bludging is evil, but some bludgers should know better. I’d assume that this commenter is going to actively oppose state funded irrigation schemes which are the biggest bludge going on at the moment, way bigger than any other form of corporate welfare.
This blog believes in airing contrary points of view. Reasoned 400 word commentaries on why farmers are the backbone of the economy, not a pack of bludgers, would be welcome. They will be published unedited but with comment.
The Herald has an editorial that goes on about how we can’t swim in our rivers because farmers are polluting the hell out of them.
It is appalling that so many of our rivers are not clean enough for swimming. The Ministry of the Environment has found the water quality at more than half the recreational spots it monitors to be poor or very poor. A further 28 per cent were fair, which carried a risk of illness for anyone swimming there.
The Herald has got it right. Farmers will have to bear the cost of making water fit for our kids to swim in. They are the ones polluting the water, and they are the ones who should stop the pollution and pay for the clean up, not the rest of us.
Farmers moaning is just what we expect, so we can expect a concerted moan about how farmers won’t be profitable if they aren’t allowed to keep getting free water and keep polluting our water ways. They should be told firmly to piss off, because we are not a socialist country and we don’t believe in subsidies.
Polluting our waterways is just a form of subsidy for a pack of bludgers. Letting them have a public good, water, free of charge, to make a private profit, is another form of bludging.
Farmers should stop bludging and New Zealand should stop propping up bludging businesses that can’t sustain themselves if they are forced to pay the true costs of doing business. And Farmers also should stop moaning because you are about as sanctimonious as the Greens.