Godwin’s law

Hitler has entered the flag debate

I’ve ignored the social media driven idiocy behind the Red Peak “swastika” as it deserved no attention.   But yesterday NZ First stood up in parliament and seriously put it up as a reason to keep the current flag.


I can’t even begin to describe how absurd that is for an argument to retain the current flag.   Given four current flags, we can also make a swastika out of it.   Read more »

Has Chris Trotter ever heard of Godwin’s Law?


From Wikipedia:

Godwin’s law (also known as Godwin’s Rule of Nazi Analogies or Godwin’s Law of Nazi Analogies) is an assertion made by Mike Godwin in 1990 that has become an Internet adage. It states: “As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitlerapproaches1.” In other words, Godwin said that, given enough time, in any online discussion—regardless of topic or scope—someone inevitably makes a comparison to Hitler or the Nazis.

Although in one of its early forms Godwin’s law referred specifically to Usenetnewsgroup discussions, the law is now often applied to any threaded online discussion, such as forums, chat rooms and blog comment threads, and has been invoked for the inappropriate use of Nazi analogies in articles or speeches. The law is sometimes invoked prescriptively to mark the end of a discussion when a Nazi analogy is made, with the writer who made the analogy being considered to have lost the argument.

Chris Trotter has well and truly lost the argument before it even began with this tosh this morning.

The National Party-led Government’s dramatic reform of New Zealand’s social welfare system marks an ominous turning-point in the country’s history. Never before has the state been willing to satisfy so completely the most punitive, the cruellest and the most nakedly sociopathic impulses of its wealthiest citizens.   Read more »

A new Godwin’s Law?

We all know what Godwin’s law is…leftists usually are the first to break it, but now it is thought there is a new Godwin’s law.

Samuel Johnson once said that “patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.” Patriotism, and bad analogies.

For the uninitiated, Godwin’s Law is one of the cardinal rules of the Internet. Coined in 1990 by Internet law expert Mike Godwin, the principle — confirmed by countless contentious comment threads across the web — is that the longer an online discussion persists, the greater the odds become that someone will make a comparison to Nazis or Adolf Hitler, to the point of near-inevitability. Nothing ends a debate faster than the hyperbolic unsupported counterfactual: “You know who else did [INSERT SUBJECT OF ARGUMENT HERE]? Hitler!”

We get this all the time…usually from teachers unions…they used it against Anne Tolley and are yet to deploy it against Hekia Parata…only a matter of time though.

But Hitler and the Nazis aren’t the only recurring straw men used to end debates. Over the past 12 years, it’s become clear that the longer a national security debate persists, the more likely it becomes that someone will try to end it by suggesting something — some policy, some person, some technology — “could have prevented 9/11.”  Read more »

Greens are the new nasty party

via the tipline

Just more nasty Greens, this one claims to have just become the Auckland membership secretary, and whilst the volume of charity work he does is commendable, I just get sick of the rubbish he posts.

That said, it does provide a good stream of causes to submit against, got to thank him for introducing me to auckland2040.org.nz..

Godwin’s law, Streisand Effect, the watermelons just don’t get it.

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New Zealand Internet Laws

Imperator Fish

Scott Yorke appears in fine form at the moment…he has re-written and also define some new laws regarding internet usage in New Zealand:

Most people know about about Godwin’s Law. In short (quoting Wikipedia), this adage states: “As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1.”

Here are a few other internet forum laws with particular relevance to the New Zealand scene.

Slater’s Law: this is similar to Godwin’s law. but swap out “Hitler” for “Cameron Slater” and “Nazis” for “Whaleoil”. This law can be seen in practice on various left blogs.

Trotter’s Law: Whatever Chris Trotter predicts about the left, the exact opposite will eventuate.

Mclauchlan’s Law: Whatever the Dim Post predicts about the left will almost always eventuate.

The Red Alert Own Goal Law: All the good work put in by hard-working MPs on Labour’s blogsite will be undone in an instant by one person’s intemperate post.

Edwards’ Law: As you get older and have more time to reflect on things you will use your blog to turn on everything and everyone you once loved.

Farrar’s Law: The more time you spend reading the comments the more your health will suffer.

The Law of Common Sense:  As a blog discussion grows longer, the probability that Pete George will turn up approaches 1.

Brown’s Law: Every blog thread will descend into a discussion about coffee.

Comparing Tolley to Hitler

Farrar releases details of another protesting prinicpal, this one though clearly hasn’t heard of Godwin’s Law.

Godwin’s law (also known as Godwin’s Rule of Nazi Analogies or Godwin’s Law of Nazi Analogies) is a humorous observation made by Mike Godwin in 1989 which has become an Internet adage. It states: “As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1.” In other words, Godwin put forth the sarcastic observation that, given enough time, all discussions—regardless of topic or scope—inevitably end up being about Hitler and the Nazis.

Of course she went right to losing side by starting the comment by mentioning Hitler.

There are many corollaries to Godwin’s law, some considered more canonical (by being adopted by Godwin himself) than others. For example, there is a tradition in many newsgroups and other Internet discussion forums that once such a comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically “lost” whatever debate was in progress.

I have taken the liberty of taking a screen shot of the comment, because it is now likely to disappear.

Marlene Campbell is the principal of Salford School in Invercargill

The childish petulance of these principals makes one wonder whether the problem with discipline in schools doesn’t in fact rest with the tweetchers.