Josie Pagani

Message to Progress: Piss off and Join National

Danyl McLauchlan echoes what many left-wing activists are saying to the folk at Progress.

He is telling them to leave Labour alone and piss off to National where they belong.

I have two basic problems with the idea that Labour should be a centrist Blairite ‘third-way’ party. First: the left’s great intellectual struggle over the past eight years has been about how to reposition ourselves after the catastrophic failure of Blairist third-way centrism. The deregulated free markets that were supposed to fund generous social welfare states worsened inequality, even when functioning, and then they crashed and needed to be bailed out. The centrist argument boils down to ‘Let’s go back to that system that failed!’ It is not intellectually serious.

Was Blairism really a “catastrophic failure” or are people trying to re-write history and lay the blame for Labour’s subsequent failures on Tony Blair and not on Gordon Brown?

Secondly, we already have a Blairite centrist third way party in New Zealand. It’s the National Party. If you take Labour and nudge it slightly along the political spectrum while taking away the identity politics and token environmentalism you have a smaller less popular version of John Key’s National.   Read more »

Labour’s leadership puts head in sand and starts cleansing dissent

Matthew Hooton, in his NBR column tells the tale of how Labour are moving to shut down what they see as dissent inside their party.

Progress wanted Labour to take a more holistic view of who people are, how they live and where they want to be.  As they see it, in a 24-hour day, people want the opportunity to spend eight hours being involved in creating something meaningful and valuable at work.  They want another eight hours to enjoy time with their families and communities.  And they need the remaining eight hours for sleep in a safe, warm, comfortable home.

Progress believes this more well-rounded vision is a far more accurate echo of the message of Labour’s original founders than the views of the “self-serving unionists and gaggle of gays” they believe have undue influence on the party today.

Alongside Labour’s approved factions – the Women’s Council, Te Kaunihera Maori, the unions, Rainbow, the Pasifika Sector and so on – the new Progress group thought they might have something to offer.  It turned out they were wrong.

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Why is Labour attacking voices of reason?

If you ever needed an example as to why Labour are totally unsuited for government even after 7 years in the wilderness, it is the reaction to Progress – the brainchild of Josie Pagani, Nick Leggett and Phil Quin.

Some Labour people say they want to set up a think tank, because what has been done and is being done isn’t working. The polls and election results are very clear on this.

The very first reaction, though, is to tell those people to get fucked.

Not, “Let’s see what they come up with and debate it”.

They just can’t get past the personalities.

Have a look at the posts and comments on Labour’s proxy-blog, The Standard. I have so you don’t have to.

Sacha says:

Current stirrer and disloyal former Lab staffer Phil Quin blusters self-servingly in public, again

Standard regular Anne says:

Exactly. And the Pagani/Leggott/ Quinn thing is a recipe for a future annihilation of Labour just as its proving to be in Britain. Its the Thorndon bubble effect (courtesy of CV) just like the Brit LP is suffering from the Westminster effect.

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I wonder if Megan Woods and Louisa Wall will push harder for the expulsion of these rabble rousers

Yesterday Richard Harman broke the news that a new ginger group was being set up by Josie Pagani, Phil Quin and Nick Leggatt to attempt to solve the ills inside Labour.

He also reported that several MPs in Labour’s caucus were aghast at the idea and promptly called for the excommunication of those involved.

WOBH can reveal that two of the most vocal supporters of expulsion for the rabble rousers were Megan Woods and Louisa Wall.

Meanwhile Josie Pagani has spoken to Claire Trevett at the Herald.

One of the founders of a proposed Labour-aligned lobby group says it will make some in the party uncomfortable but Labour cannot avoid the tough issues it is facing.

Josie Pagani, a former Labour Party candidate, confirmed she was involved in setting up a “think-tank” called Progress targeting Labour’s right and centre.  Read more »

Finally someone in Labour gets it, now watch for the witch hunts to drive them out

The Labour Party preaches tolerance, mainly in other people. We are supposed to be tolerant of all the minorities out there including gays, ethnic minorities and all religions except Christianity. The problem for Labour is that they don’t actually like a faction that cares about sensible things like getting elected.

Richard Harman has a great yarn about a new grouping inside (for now) of Labour trying to effect change.

Controversy within the Labour Party over moves by some right wing members and MPs to set up a think tank aligned with the party.

Some sources say that things got heated at last week’s Labour caucus over the proposal and  expulsion of some of those involved was threatened.

But a spokesperson for Labour Leader Andrew Little says that while he does not discuss what happens at caucus, those reports are “inaccurate”.

Indeed the spokesperson said Mr Little said he welcomed the idea.

“Labour is a broad church and we welcome all sorts of ideas,” she said.

“If people want to have things like think tanks with ideas that’s good.”

One source said the proposal was initially for the new body to be called “True Labour”.

But when it was discussed at the Caucus last week it apparently came under fire.

It was then renamed “Progress”.

Names mentioned in connection with the proposal include two Labour members usually identified as being on its right wing; Porirua Mayor, Nick Legget and the blogger and commentator, Phil Quinn.

Former candidate, Josie Pagani and Napier MP, Stuart Nash are also said to be involved.

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The Huddle at 1740

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I’m on ZB with Larry Williams to do The Huddle with Josie Pagani.

Planned topics include:

  • No surprise for the first topic:  John Key’s Tax
  • Next, something about being a Maori precluding you from home ownership.  Yeah, I know.  Listen, and I’ll try to understand and explain at the same time.
  • Finally, health troughers wants dairies to stop selling soft drinks and candy.  Why are supermarkets – or in fact, any other businesses exempt?

You can listen online via iHeartRadio and normal methods.

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The Huddle at 1740

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I’m on ZB with Larry Williams to do The Huddle with the lovely leftie Josie Pagani who will present the right of the left viewpoint in between taking hurried breaths and run-on sentences.

Planned topics include:

  • Firstly we’ve got the howling of conflict of interest being bandied around over a cabinet minister’s brother being charged with indecency charges against children.
  • Then we’ve had the Team New Zealand chairman resign from the job. It’s going to be a numbers game with the number of people with any credibility leaving in rapid succession.  Dare I say it?  Rats are deserting a sinking ship.
  • What’s up with boxing?  It allows Mayweather to continue fighting when he’s a misogynist wife beater.  No wonder senior National Party figures don’t think there is anything wrong with that.

You can listen online via iHeartRadio and normal methods.

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The Huddle at 1740

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I’m on ZB with Larry Williams to do The Huddle with the lovely leftie Josie Pagani who will present the right of the left viewpoint in between taking hurried breaths.

Our topics will be:

  • Netflix won’t charge GST for it’s service to New Zealanders, upsetting local player Lightbox (Spark) who are crying foul about uneven playing fields
  • Winston’s “truth optional” health centre drama where the story keeps changing as he discovers his story needs amending
  • Sikhs are going to the Human Rights Commission to demand their knives are to be allowed at the Cricket World Cup

You can listen online via iHeartRadio and normal methods.

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Josie Pagani has bigger balls than all our MSM and the rest of the left-wing blogosphere

I like Josie Pagani, she is an honourable lefty, and someone who actually has her head screwed on right.

She has written a post at Pundit which puts the rest of the left-wing blogosphere and all of the mainstream media to shame.

Her courage should be applauded.

[T]his must be crystal clear – Charlie Hebdo, the editorial team, the cartoonists and the staff are not to blame for their own murders.

The brave and just response to the Paris murders is to stand up for freedom of speech –  no buts, no qualifiers.

Some will use the slaughter in Paris to whip up anti-Islamic sentiments. Marine Le Pen, France’s far-right leader, has already compared Muslims in France to the German occupation of the 1940s. George Packer of the New Yorker fears ‘today might very well be the day that Marine Le Pen became President of France.’

Her attempt to demonise all of Islam is tactical and ugly. The majority of muslims are peaceful and live comfortably alongside christians, jews and atheists. Anyway, the tactic of terror is to provoke a backlash against all Islam and vindicate their teaching of victimhood.

Le Pen’s views must be rejected.

But it is also true that an extremist faction of Islam does not want to live in peace and believes that purity can only be realised by killing infidels and moderate muslims.

These ideas and this barbaric strand of Islam must be named and shamed. It is just as important to stand up for the Kurdish muslim woman in combat gear fighting for her right not to wear a hijab, as it is to stand up for the right to wear one on the streets of Sydney and not be attacked.

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Josie Pagani on Andrew Little’s challenges

Josie Pagani has some sound advice for Andrew Little.

I bet he doesn’t listen though, but he really needs to.

How many times have we seen shots of Labour party leaders declaring unity while standing in front of caucus members, smiling the kind of smile you produce by sucking air through your teeth?

Labour doesn’t need more protests of unity. It needs more open debate.

People used to join the Labour party for the policy fights. A contest of ideas was how you sorted  good ideas from bad. Achievements like paid parental leave and the nuclear free policy were achieved only after advocates won the argument; Unity was earned by debate, not by shutting debate down and pretending there was no diversity of opinion on these issues.

You can’t have a contest of ideas unless you accept into the fold people with a range of views, and celebrate ideological breadth. Bill Rowling and David Lange were both early sceptics of the nuclear free policy; yet today publicly arguing for a minority position within the party is mistaken for disloyalty.

So Andrew Little’s first challenge is to change this culture.

That is so true. Labour has this tug the forelock, doff the cloth cap, kneel in obeisance to the leader mentality that was beaten into them by Helen Clark and her stasi-like control of internal party debate. Those attitudes now need to be beaten out of them.

The 600,000 people who voted Labour a few months ago had nothing to do with this leadership contest. Most didn’t care because the election purported to be a contest between fifty shades of beige:  ‘fairness’ and ‘opportunity for all’ as if anyone in Labour is in favour of unfairness and opportunity only for a wealthy few.

The exception was David Parker and Andrew Little differing over capital gains tax and the retirement age. Andrew Little wants to jettison Labour’s election policies on those issues. He will now have to respond to Parker’s question – if not a CGT, then what? Not forgetting the CGT is more popular in the polls than Labour right now.

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