Rugby

France v New Zealand

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Bonjour!

Finally a game at a sensible time.  You should be getting ready with the croissants and deep rich cup of caffeine.

Game starts 9:05 – pop the bragging guesses in before game start.

Remember, no game chat of any kind in General Debate, even when the game is already complete.  Some people may be watching it delayed.  Thaaaaaaaaank U!

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Ireland v New Zealand

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BMW’s SBW PR disaster spreads

Sonny Bill Williams in his BMW with the missus in the back seat where she belongs

Sonny Bill Williams in his BMW with the missus in the back seat where she belongs

Back at the end of October we wrote about BMW appointing known supporter of Islamic terrorism, Sonny Bill Williams, as their brand ambassador.

Many people posted on their Facebook page and now the issue has spread to the LGBT community, who are upset that SBW associated with known anti-gay Islami activists and to the wider motoring community.

Of more concern to BMW, probably, is that SBW is now in conflict with his All Black sponsors, Ford.

The core issue is BMW New Zealand having recently announced it has named the rugby and rugby league icon as a brand ambassador.

The deal provisions the player, presently recuperating from injury, with one of the brand’s more elite products, the $161,000 xDrive 50i, the flagship of the X5 sports utility range.

That arrangement has since been criticised by BMW owners – whose concerns have ranged from how Williams dresses and is perceived to act in public to his religious and perceived political choices – and an on-line commentator, a reaction that the brand now admits it was unprepared for.  

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Italy v New Zealand

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Good on you for getting (or staying up) for the 3 am start.  Here’s the usual Whaleoil post for those who wish to multi-screen and share their joy and other emotions about the game as it develops.

Before the game, pop in your score for bragging rights.

PLEASE do not discuss the game in any way in this morning’s General Debate as I suspect a few people will be watching the game delayed.  So no scores, no final results, nothing whatsoever.

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All Blacks v Ireland (Chicago USA!)

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Morning fellow multi-screening tragics.  Join others here while you’re watching the game and getting through your eggs bennie.  Or pie.  Or toast.  We’re not proud.

No game scores in General Debate please, even after the game is done.  Some people may want to watch delayed.

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Karl du Fresne on the Aaron Smith saga

Another sensible bit of commentary from Karl du Fresne.

The tut-tutters who clucked their tongues over All Black Aaron Smith’s tryst in an airport toilet must have been startled by the number of voices raised in his defence.

The Mother Grundys were almost outgunned by Smith’s defenders, who recognised that this affair was different in vital respects from other recent furores involving delinquent rugby players.

Public outrage should be reserved for incidents that justify it, such as the vicious assaults perpetrated by the rising rugby star Losi Filipo.

Smith’s airport encounter involved no violence or coercion. As far as we know, the woman was a willing partner.

The incident also differed crucially from the Waikato Chiefs’ end-of-season revelry involving a stripper. Although the stripper appears to have been a consenting party, at least initially, she was a lone woman surrounded by men – big, intimidating men. It was hardly what you would call a level playing field.

So: Smith’s liaison involved no nastiness. And it was one-on-one – a case of two adults indulging in consensual behaviour behind a closed door. A victimless crime, in other words.

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Stephen Franks on rugby, rooting and rules

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Stephen Franks is spot on with his analysis of the Aaron Smith airport rooting saga.

Have I lost touch with my country? Where am I?

When did it become an obligation on an employer to discipline an employee for what could be a fleeting airport toilet shag with a woman not his ‘partner’, thousands of miles from the ‘workplace’ with no evidence (so far) that it could affect workplace performance.

I’m especially baffled when the nation’s most economically illiterate lawyers (employment specialists) have created rules that block and reverse the most simple and efficient measures by employers to uphold honesty and other ethical standards, and even basic courtesy.  These idiots will expensively second guess the natural disciplinary steps  that have for generations made workplaces civilised (and civilising) places for association among non-kin of disparate cultures and backgrounds.

Yet today our media have been reporting the the Rugby Union’s latest venture into controlling off field conduct without a hint of irony or criticism. I feel for the rugby bosses. Last week the media rage focused on them for failing to give the justice to victims which the justice system denied. Media castigation should have been exclusively on the judging class who think they are therapists for criminals, freed from their duty to do justice by their superior compassion. Instead it turned into a witch-hunt on rugby.

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Guest post: Losi Filipo

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I’m sure you’ve been keeping an eye on this Losi Filipo case.

Like most people, I was ready to lynch the kid on Monday. However…. the more I look at things and talk to people, the more some things don’t add up

There are two significant ‘issues’ with Mr Morgan’s story. Firstly – he was never in line for a Wellington contract. He was a middling club player and definitely no star. He also played No8 or blindside flanker, and there’s no shortage of them in Wellington. Tellingly he was never previously part of any grade side Read more »

All Blacks vs Springboks

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Hi fellow multi-screening tragics.  This is our post for the night.  Just respect the people in Backchat – no rugby talk, no scores, no final result.  Not even when the game is over, just in case someone’s watching later.

Bragging rights are back up for grabs:  get your scores in before the game starts.

New Zealand vs Argentina

 

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This is today’s rugby post.  You can join the rest of us “multi-screen” tragics if you like by sharing the excitement/outrage of today’s game by sharing your thoughts and feelings.

Before the game starts, you can post your guess for the final score.  Winner gets bragging rights.

PLEASE no rugby talk in Bakchat.  No scores, no final results – some people may still want to watch the game later.  Thank you.

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