Abolish the Death penalty? How about Abortion?


NZ behind UN resolution to abolish death penalty – TBR.CC

Helen Clark and her government are behind efforts at the UN to abolish the death penalty. She said;

[quote]"Capital punishment is the ultimate form of cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment. The death penalty violates the right to life and is by definition and in practice a cruel and degrading treatment. It is known to have been inflicted on the innocent. Its very nature means it cannot be reversed."[/quote]

She just as easily could have said "Abortion is the ultimate form of cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment. Abortion violates the right to life and is by definition and in practice a cruel and degrading treatment. It is always inflicted on the innocent. Its very nature means it cannot be reversed." Of course she didn't say that the but the arguments are more relevant for abortion than they are for the Death Penalty. In fact at least the assholes who are executed by and large deserved it having committed heinous crimes, babies on the other hand have committed nothing more than being an inconvenience to the potential mother.

How sanctimonious of Clark to be railing against the Death Penalty while the access to open abortions kills off thousands of potential Kiwi's per annum. We also see further sanctimonious claptrap when people wail on about the death of our babies after they are born when the sad reality is that those cases are little more than "very late term abortions". If a society says it is ok to kill your kids before it is born then the logical conclusion is that it is ok to kill them after they are born. In that way Abortion is the ultimate in child abuse while Clark says that the Death Penalty is the ultimate for of cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment.

She make me sick

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  • Adolf Fiinkensein

    Yes Whale. For some years now I have been aghast at the ever increasing number of abortions being performed in this country. It's a while since I looked but last time I did I think the figure ws around 18,000 per year. Clearly it is being used as the lazy person's birth control.

    I can understand and accept that there will be genuine cases where this abhorent procedure is acceptable. What I can't abide is the agresssive way the feminist rights movement has managed to entrench abortion as a first option rather than a last option. It's as though adoption has become something to be shunned while foetal murder has become the acceptable norm. Not only that, but you don't hear very much about professionals consulting with the fathers of the babies whose lives are to be snuffed out.

    Another reason to treat the Godless left with contempt.

  • Yes, you said "babies". You also said "potential Kiwi's" [sic]. Kiwis are people.

  • Whaleoil

    Seeing as you like playing semantics, Kiwi's are little furry birds actually. You know what I meant and it isn't what you want it to mean.

    And they are only potential Kiwi's because some bastard snuffed out their life without bothering to ask them what they thought about having their arms and legs and head ripped off.

    Just like you are a potential brain surgeon but because various reasons, mostly your lack of ability you aren't. you ar still a potential brain surgeon and with the promotion of designer drugs probably making a fair job of a frontal lobotomy. 

  • Let's be clear. The abortion debate is between "pro-life" and "pro-choice". The debate hinges on the status of the foetus. If the foetus is an actual person then it has a right to life, and abortion is murder. If the foetus is merely a potential person, then it doesn't have a right to life, and abortion is morally on a par with clipping a toenail.

    So, far from "playing semantics", recognising the distinction between "potential" and "actual" is key to the debate.

    I know what you mean, but referring to foetuses as "potential Kiwis" with "potential mothers" is tantamount to conceding that the "pro-choice" team are right. Which isn't what you mean, is it?

    Leave off the personal attacks.

  • Good article mate.

    Damn solid. 

  • Chandler Frank

    The only thing that I can think of when looking at this article is:

    Helen, your face is the ultimate form of cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment… 
    It violates the right to life and is by definition and in practice a cruel and degrading treatment.
    It is known to have been inflicted on the innocent.
    Its very nature means it cannot be reversed. (So, surgery is not an option)

  • Whaleoil

    Abortion is murder

  • Berend de Boer

    All choice, for potential Mum. No choice for the kid.

  • Manukau Mum

    Excellent series of points Whale. Of course we are also not allowed to smack our children – just tear their heads off before they are born.

    Personally I’m for the death penalty but against abortion. (The two things are not remotely the same issue.) For reasons why I think this way – I can’t explain it better than Matthew at: http://mandmandmandm.blogspot.com/2007/08/abortion-and-capital-punishment-no.html

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