Focussing on the things that matter, Ctd

Labour has said they are going to focus on the things that matter to Kiwi voters. Darien Fenton has joined into the spirit of the exercise by focussing…on hating Sir Peter Leitch, the Mad Butcher.

Here is the thread in all it’s bile filled splendor.

 


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  • si

    It seems to have a disapeared already.

  • Si

    Shopping trips for Darien must take hours having to make sure that all vendors are card caryying Labour supporters, unless she gets all her goods from Marx and Spencer.

  • Razork

    He’s a national treasure and one of the most generous man with his money and time I have ever met.

    To denegrade him because he states his electoral preferance is an absolute disgrace.

    Makes me sick.

  • petal

    Some of these MPs have the maturity of teenagers.

    This whole “us and them” attitude is dreadful.

    Pete Leitch has done more for NZ in real terms than most of the MPs, and did it with money he earned himself.

    I would be interested in Peter Aranyi’s unbiased ;) view on my observation that politics attracts a disproportionate amount of psychopaths.

    (Psychopathy (/saɪˈkɒpəθi/) is a mental disorder characterized primarily by a lack of empathy and remorse, shallow emotions, egocentricity, and deceptiveness)

    • I would be interested in Peter Aranyi’s unbiased ;) view on my observation that politics attracts a disproportionate amount of psychopaths .

      @Petal: Sorry, I hadn’t seen your request until today. While I actually do have a psychology degree (for reals) and have commented modestly elsewhere on the topic of sociopaths & liars  (see this Google search result) I don’t really think my opinion of your perfectly reasonable-sounding theory is exceptionally worthy … but here it is: ;-) 

      It takes social courage to stand for (s)election. Not everyone has the mental strength to survey a field of candidates and say ‘Yeah, I’m as good or better than any of them. I deserve a shot at the position.’ 

      The bruising nature of party politics (before or after MMP) means thick-skins are mandatory … it requires a construction of mental defences — including what some might see as a loss of empathy. 

      I hate the barracking bully-boy tone of a lot of what passes for Parliamentary behaviour (I’m with Sue Kedgley on that score) but, even putting her and my criticisms aside, one has to salute those who have the guts to contribute, to overcome their timidity and enter the ‘arena’. 

      It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better.
      The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.

      — Theodore Roosevelt, from “The Man In The Arena” Speech at the Sorbonne, Paris, France – April 23, 1910 

      So, Petal, are members of the House of Representatives (geddit?) more or less likely to be ‘psychopaths’ than the population they represent? Dunno. For all their human faults, politicians can be like sex — extremely good, extremely bad, with shades in between.

      – Peter
      http://www.ThePaepae.com

  • Agent BallSack

    It is still there. Appalling behaviour from Darien, shows how rudderless that party truly is. Nice how they turn on Sir Peter and suggest boycotting his shops because he votes ‘Tory’. Good to see that thread being shot down by even Labour voters asking where is the prudence in that.

  • diabolos

    A lot of people – not all Labour or leftists either – had the same reaction to Peter Leitch when he earlier (around when he got the Knighthood) – in interviews started talking up John Key. The major issues as many saw it (including me) were …

    – It seemed to be because John Key gave him a knighthood (and not many people expected that to happen i daresay)
    – While endorsing John Key – he didnt seem to have any specific hard reasons other than the statement “he’s doing a great job…” or similar
    – Peter was really deserving of his Knighthood – undoubtedly – in fact compared to many of the others like Michael Fay – who got his for Corporate Rape and Pillage – Peter is and still remains, a deserving recipient – that also leads to disappointment (which should be privately held opinion – not publicly displayed) from some when he began talking John Key up.

    Personally – i was over the moon when he got the Knighthood – so were a lot of other people. Then it deteriorated when the pro-key stuff started to be said – again without any clear reasons other than in many peoples minds (rightly or wrongly) that he (John Key) was the man who gave Peter a Knighthood. To many – it just jarred and didnt seem to add up.

    Apart from immediate family and friends etc – most who thought that (in my experience) didnt voice that publicly. The Man deserved and deserves the honour – and he is also NOT a well man at all. Thats quite obvious from the interviews and should be obvious, even to the most rabid polemicist or ideologue. (and i am not meaning to imply anything of a sarcastic or critical nature … just a fact)

    However – for a Politician like Darien Fenton to do what she has done – and for commenters on the Standard to make similar comments – is just not on. Majority of leftists ARE fair and reasonable people and have the manners not to do stupid things like this – just like you folk on here – we may think something privately with some justification – but there is such a thing as a little bit of decorum, applied commonsense ,dignity and common humanity and courtesy. To go online and say she wont buy from tories – is just dumb beyond belief. When she pays her phone bill (dumb sheila) she is also paying part of the salary of a tory or two for gods sake. We are all people, deserving of respect and a place to stand and be who we are … isnt that meant to be the socialist ideal or idyll?

    Im ashamed of Darien Fenton and the poor image she presents of those with Left wing views.

    • Gazzaw

      I often wonder about the Labour stance on titles. Many NZ socialists were more than happy to accept them – pioneer Labour Party politicians Sir Walter Nash & Sir Arnold Nordmeyer, businessman Sir James Fletcher, senior judiciary
      Dame Sian Elias, Helen’s mates Dame Margaret Wilson & Dame Cath Tizard are just a few socialist names that come to mind. Tony Blair’s government wasnt above selling titles to raise a few shekels for the party coffers either.

      Not a single one of the above would hold a candle to Sir Peter Leitch.

      • diabolos

        Personally i dont like-em – i havent really seen any that ever deserved it in my opinion. But if someone was going to get one – it should be Peter Leitch. I cheered when it was announced. Dont know anything about the other names you have named so i cant personally make any comparisons.

        Its probably been used by all sides of the debate to gain influence and loyalty – just like political appointments such as High Commissioner or Ambassador to reward a lifetime of lackeydom – to either National or Labour.

        If i was ever offered a knighthood (dont die laughing) – would i accept – hell yes i would. It offers opportunity and opens doors. Never look a gift horse in the mouth. Would i be grateful to the people who gave me the Knighthood – yes i probably would be and i probably wouldnt speak ill of them if i could possibly avoid it. However if i was famous enough, or had done something for the country to justify one (which you have to have been – or at least filthy rich or have been sucking on the public tit in a famous manner) i would also already probably be in a position to also look wonderful by refusing to accept the honour on some principle or other.

        But generally – in this short and very impermanent life – i’d be inclined to grab the accolade and the rewards that go with it – and politely stick my index finger in the air to the critics and mutter the odd obscenity under my breath out of hearing of the media.

        Everyone hates the boss – till they get the chance to be one. Everyone is not equal – thats flying in the face of reality – but good socialists should aim for fairness and equity. Peter Leitch has always espoused those qualities including the virtues of hard work and determination and selflessness. Darien has not in this case and she now deserves the approbrium that will be heaped on her. Unfortunately she tars her Party of choice now, with the same brush.

  • This is a SMOG of huge proportions from Ms Fenton. But the real irony is that Sir Peter Leitch is the type of person who the NZLP used to represent; a man who has never forgotten his working class roots. It just goes to show how much Labour has alienated its former support base.

  • Scanner

    Yet another pathetic fail from Darien, I suppose she doesn’t have to worry she keeps her spot in the trough due to the scum list.
    Go away you stupid woman, you are everything voters that used to tick Labour have come to despise.

  • middleagedwhiteguy

    Is it Labour Party practice to excommunicate all those who may have stated a preference opposed to the wishes of the collective? Rather than vilify people like Peter Leitch, perhaps Labour should be asking why they are losing so much support?

    • Agent BallSack

      Good call. Due to Labours inability to coherently discuss anything with anyone not of the same ‘ilk’ and their disgust of all things right, they can not win back those they have lost. We disgust them and they do not want our business! Of course if we vote for them they will forgive us our indiscretions (but it will stay on your record, young man!)

      Never mind the millions Sir Peter has donated in time and money to the so called Labour areas of Mangere et al. when he was buddying up to the Clark Government.

  • Gazzaw

    I am not even going to comment on the politics surrounding this. These people are out and out bloody fools to openly attack Sir Peter Leitch. The man is a national treasure, an absolute icon of the working classes. If National opt to use this attack the nett cost to Labour will be thousands of votes. How stupid and naive can Fenton be?

    I wonder whether the media will publicise this personal vilification of Butch? Ask yourselves.

  • Mike

    What a vile bitch, Whenever I think of Labour I cant even consider their policies, because this is the vileness that lies behind them. Here is a guy who has done more for the typical labour communities than almost any other and was a great friend of Clark, in fact the picture in the background of his museum shows him standing with her. And this unionist scum MP rips into him because he has the affront to say nice things about the PM. The reality is, he always says nice things about pretty much everyone. I hope the mainstream media pick up on this, I really do. Watch the South Auckland % points slide away.

  • Mike

    What a vile bitch, Whenever I think of Labour I cant even consider their policies, because this is the vileness that lies behind them. Sometimes I wonder, is Goff actually that bad, look what he has to deal with. Sir Peter is a guy who has done more for the typical labour communities than almost any other and was a great friend of Clark, in fact the picture in the background of his museum shows him standing with her, he is heavily involved in the community and has given and raised countless millions for good causes. And this unionist scum MP rips into him because he has the affront to say nice things about the PM. The reality is, he always says nice things about pretty much everyone. I hope the mainstream media pick up on this, I really do. Watch the South Auckland % points slide away.

  • Paul

    Perhaps businesses not “liked” by Labour should be required to display a yellow Star of David so Labourites know which ones to avoid.

    • petal

      It’s all so short-sighted. Apart from the fact that The Butcher isn’t actually running the shops any longer, what would an effective boycott achieve? Unemployment of workers that are most probably more likely to be Labour supporters rather than National supporters.

  • Dirty Rat

    the hatred is nearly close to what would be expected from a 4ft 2 Cantab

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  • RRM

    And you only need to look at Labour’s polling to work out how well these attitudes of theirs are working out for them.

    Some of the comments on this thread are pure comedy gold…

    “To dene­grade him because he states his elec­toral prefer­ance is an absolute disgrace. Makes me sick.”

    “This whole “us and them” atti­tude is dreadful.”

  • Michael

    If I was the Mad Butcher I wouldn’t worry – with current polling he’ll gain two customers for everyone he loses.

  • Enzed69

    The truth about Peter Leitch is he actually became wealthy by ill gotten means. He borrowed money from a certain Mr Banks (not Epsom J. Banks) who incidentally died 30 years ago… Mr Leach  renegged yet still owes over $10 000 000 to the Bank family.

    The Pakuranga rugby league club are for ever thankful for Mr Leach’s (Leitch) contribution but considering his actual disease (short man’s) he needs to stand accountable. He’s a con man that thinks no-one remembers his dubious past. Every time I see him flaunting his charity causes makes me laugh.

    I’m 42, I was arrested with Julie Leitch when I was 18 for theft involving a road sign and was convicted yet Julie was considered innocent yet blew over the limit for drink driving and escorted home.

    The mad butcher is a fraud.

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