Drill it, mine it, sell it

Now we are talking, National is looking at revamping the Crown Minerals Act in order to get the mining sector humming:

The Government is planning “significant” changes to the Crown Minerals Act next year to make it easier for miners to explore and then extract minerals, and it will consult the public and industry soon.

The Government has indicated for some time that it intends reviewing the act, which sets out the regulatory framework for prospecting and mining, activities it wants to boost under its economic development plan.

“We’re going to make significant changes to the Crown Minerals Act because conversations to date under previous ministers have found that there are opportunities to improve the way that companies can access our minerals, apply for opportunities to explore, that type of thing,” Energy and Resources Minister Phil Heatley told the Herald.

A consultation paper will be released early this year to inform the Government on changes to the act.

 


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  • Super Guest

    Ooh, this is going to piss the left off royally. Great news, I’d rather have some gold than a few trees. Plus it will create (working class) jobs. How can the left oppose it? Unless they’re envirowankers.

    • Gazzaw

      They’ll play the race card for sure, we’ve started to see that on the East Coast with oil exploration. Doesn’t matter if it’s all happening outside the Economic Zone they’ll do their best to disrupt shore facilities & access. Probably nothing though that a substantial touch of koha into the correct areas can’t fix or even facilitate.  

    • Pharmachick

      “envirowankers” … LOL, good one!

  • Roger

    Hopefully they will look at the Coromandel again, now that the greenies can’t get signatures from Auck’anders stuck in the queue at the Kopu bridge. (Newmont is looking at mining up the Kauranga valley, much to the ire of the greenies)

  • Kiwidon

    Super Guest has hit the proverbial nail! They are envirowankers!

  • Brian Smaller

    As long as the government drives the issue. Whale – tell the dickheads you know in National to own the issue – stop reacting to protesters and greenies and DO NOT let them own the issue.

  • I particularly loved the labour morons who piped up in the anti government protests and said “no mining on conservation land”…yet what was Pike River…oh that’s right, not an open cast mine. But yet the government hasn’t ever proposed an open cast mine!

    Ultimately I think it is very hard for ANYONE in this world to say hand on heart they are completely opposed to mining……if they claim (and I reckon Janette Fitzsimmons is the only one who could possibly even come close!) they can then I would be asking them:

    Do you use or have anything with precious stone, plastic, metal or rock components such as….wedding bands, engagement rings, lipstick, stickers, TVS, stereos, ipods, laptops, PCs, cell phones, CDs, phones, internet connection, electricity (where does wiring come from & what is it coated in?), modems, have glasses, driveways, cars….the list goes on & on

    It seems NZers are happy for other countries to mine, happy for other countries to use cheap labour in mining but not in their own backyard.

    Well I have news for them: participation of any kind is consent to mining.

    So if NZ has good primary resources that will generate jobs & income & are able to be extracted in a way that is environmentally responsible then I say go for it.

    • Paul Rain

      Got to love the watermelons- almost as supportive of strip mining overseas as they are of clearfelling overseas rather than sustainable forestry here.

  • Kosh103

    Yay!!! Lets rape the country!!! Impact be dammed!!!!!

    • Gazzaw

      Seeing as we heard so little from you yesterday I was hoping that you had taken WO’s DCM message to heart.

      Can’t see what damming has to do with it – I thought that you would be against dams as well.

      • Hehehe – that was what I had thought

        Clearly wishful thinking….no doubt he is probably a decent person in real life, but honestly, the idealistic & hypocritical BS is just so tiresome!

      • Kosh103

        I never saw any DCM message from old Whale.

        I saw him throwing a tanty when the same comments he throws at the poor were turned on him, but no DCM message.

    • Alex

      Yes and we shouldn’t have dairy farming either (and so fore go the income from it used to fund social welfare, health and education).  Instead we should just be bucolic little backwater where bored affluent northern hemisphere types can fly over and marvel (conveniently ignoring their “carbon footprint” and that leisure travel is the first discretionary expenditure cut when there’s a recession).  

      Our young people will continue to leave to go to places (and raise families there) where they have a less retarded approach to developing their natural resources.  

      Robyn Malcolm, Lucy Lawless, Keisha Castle Hughes and their trashy city dwelling supporters will continue buying the consumer rubbish (ipads, cell phones) that is created using minerals mined and processed in countries with no environmental standards.

      No one is suggesting strip mining or wrecking our environment.  You should travel to places like Canada and Germany, where they do lots of mining, they can afford huge environment/conservation budgets that can go into preserving forests, cleaning up lakes etc.   I did and was amazed at how green and environmentally friendly they are — light years ahead of 100% Pure NZ.

      I’m more concerned that we’ll earn some money, but a left wing government will then fritter it away on more failed social welfare spending, and bureaucracy, in an attempt to buy votes.   It’s a pity that our left wing aren’t like the Labour Party in Norway, where they have agreed with the major right wing party that all oil revenues are placed in the superannuation investment fund.

      • Kosh103

        National would mine every inch of the country and do it with a smile.

      • Super Guest

        @ Kosh. Good on them, too. I’m sick of enviro-wankers putting plants before jobs and the economy.

      • Paul Rain

        Earmarked funds are gold- the Red Chinese government has two official lotteries, one for sports funding, one for topping up pensions and paying for perks for the disabled.

        Maybe we could fund our benefits entirely off LOTTO?

      • I agree but also actually think we should have less dairy – there are too many farms & it is not sustainable. They are not keeping up with the feed as the ground is never ‘fallow’ so they have to import the palm kernel waste…..and I am not a fan of anything palm oil

        We all draw a line in the sand in one form or another re environmental issues, but to protest against any more mining when open cast mines are not even on the cards, is hypocritical & just stupid…..it makes financial sense to at least check it out.

        Re “I’m more concerned that we’ll earn some money, but a left wing government will then fritter it away on more failed social welfare spending, and bureaucracy, in an attempt to buy votes. ” 

        Me too……despite Labour’s near death experience, NZers love their welfare (well those who get WFF anyway) & their high taxes so I am worried that their return will be a matter of when not if. 

      • Kosh you do realise that Labour was/is the miners party? Unless you’re Greens?

        Either way you’re full of crap…..unless I’m mistaken & you are some kind of outter space super Green hacker……you do understand that it IS a computer/laptop/netbook/cellphone/ipad you’re typing on?

    • Magoo

      Crime statistics suggest the majority of rapists are more than likely lefties & Labour certainly did a good job at raping our economy during their term. There certainly seems to be a bit of raping going on by the occupy protesters – perhaps you know more about rape than the rest of us Kosh due to your left wing leanings.

      • Super Guest

        True, rapists are largely poor people. See I can understand stealing shit because you’re poor, that’s a 1+1=2 situation. I cannot understand why you’d rape someone, then blame it on poverty the way the left does. What are they too poor to learn social norms? Silly Labour voting rapists…

    • Pharmachick

      Yes Kosh, that’s what we say in the Waikato. 

      And we live a ‘dam’ sight better for it too… not just by avoiding AKL water costs, but also with recreational boating and fishing and swimming and camping and hiking.

      Yes indeedy, we could do with a few less mangroves and swamps and a few more places for Kiwis to have fun.  And while we’re excavating the dams, who knows, there may even be gold in them thar hills.

      Drill it, mine it, excavate it, dam it and [partially] sell it indeed …

      ;-)   

  • Vij

    Kosh103, where and when has National said they will mine every inch of the country and do it with a smile.  Please show us or arere you just inventing stuff again?

    • Kosh103

      Good god, an actual question from you as opposed to a brainless snarky comment. Well done.

      Ever listened to Gerry Brownlee talk on the subject. It is all Key can do to stop the big man from grabbing a spade and doing the job himself.

      You really need to actually LISTEN to what they say.

      • Vij

        Sorry Kosh103, you have still not answered the question.  You are still behaving like a moron.

      • Alex

        Always the same continuing boring theme: assertions that National is evil and, if we’re lucky, we might get a comment to the effect that it’s because of Kosh’s superior knowledge.

      • Groans

        I don’t know why you hang out on this site.  The cool kids at WO don’t like you.

      • maninblack

        thank goodness a political party has the balls to allow mining.
        I cannot wait- hurry up i say.

      • Kosh103

        Actually Vij I did answer your question. You were just not listening or not smart enough to understand it.

        Gerry Brownlee has made enough comments on mining in Nationals first term to be rather sure that Gerry would mine this country from top to bottom and the only thing that is stopping it from happening is Keys fear of public polls and bad press.

      • Provide the quotes & source please Kosh – your memory of Brownlee’s so-called comments will not suffice if you want to prove you have some credibility.

    • Thorn

      Vij, trying to get Kosh to answer a question is like getting a pig to sing. It frustrates you and the pig ignores you. Besides, Kosh is a educator so its unlikely you learn anything of value from the fool, given that what he knows above his indoctrination is neither objective nor accurate.

      • Vij

        Thank you Thorn, you make perfect sense.  The best way to deal with Kosh is to ignore the rubbish he spouts.  You are correct, Kosh will never answer anything anything because ability to do so does not exist.

      • Kosh103

        More lies? Tut tut that is not very good of you now is it.

  • Kosh103

    Oh Vij you silly simple creature. It is not my fault you are not smart enough to understand answers given.

    • Super Guest

      It’s not really proper for YOU to call other people stupid, considering their was a period there where you couldn’t even spell your own name right, “Ksoh”.

      • Kosh103

        Oh my what a stinging retort. A typo, gasp!!!

    • Thorn

      Then please answer the question based on your claim. 

      • Super Guest

        He’d rather go with the tinfoil hat-esque “listen to what they say”. Of course in his world John Key could say the sky is blue and Kosh would think he’s saying kill the poor.

      • Kosh103

        I have.

      • Super Guest

        No you haven’t. You gave us some conspiracy theory bullshit based on connecting non-existent dots. “Gerry Brownlee talks about mining a lot” I talk about the All Blacks a lot, doesn’t mean I’m ever going to make the team. Mining’s a good way to make some money and create some jobs, but you’re more concerned with a couple of cabbages, which is not surprising given your mental state. Tell me, Kosh, if that is your real name, who killed JFK? Wouldn’t be the National Party would it?

    • Boss Hogg

      Hey Kosh – Happy New Year !!!  I see you have not changed a bit.

      One simple question.  What activities to derive income for the country should be allowed in the Kosh Wonderland?

      • Kosh103

        Why would I change? I like having morals and good values.

        As for what I would be happy with, mining (provided there is zero enviromental damage), forestry, farming (clean), white collar, science and technology.

  • Kiwidon

    Yeah Kosh, it’s been an hour, answer the bloody question!

    • Kosh103

      Oh excuse me, I was having a life away from the Internet. Remember that? Real life? The Internet isnt everything.

  • Blair Mulholland

    I think this is marvelous politics.  They have basically caught the Left on the back foot, as what is Shearer going to do?  He likely supports mining himself, and can hardly come out and set policy by opposing it.

    • Do we actually KNOW what Shearer really thinks about anything? The man whom the left hold up as some noble humanitarian who, given he was a diplomat, must have been a very well paid UN advisor to obtain such standing……..

  • @b32f09744e97966ab0d05f2db1e98c09:disqus you have an interesting sort of style, don’t you. Anyway, what you don’t seem to grasp is that drilling for oil, and mining of minerals, is good for people, and the harm/risk to the environment has been assessed, and is fairly minimal. 
    We can make a lot of money as a country, at the same time as employing largely unskilled people in well-paying jobs, getting people off welfare, increasing the tax base (enabling tax rates possibly to be lowered), while selling products whose value is probably peaking given that alternatives to fossil fuels may soon become viable. Yes, there is a risk to the environment, but there is a risk in everything. Why can’t you acknowledge the benefits? n the topic of Gerry Brownlee, yes, I believe he is pro-mining, as all sensible people concerned for the economic improvement of New Zealand are. Can you give us a quote or press release that proves your assertion that he wants to strip-mine the life out of it with his own shovel and bucket? No, I don’t want to “Listen to what he says”, I want YOU to back up your assertion that National will “mine the country with a smile”.

    • Anonymous

      +1 Josh 

      Please answer the question Kosh 

      • Anonymous

        on behalf of kosh103:

        “more lies!”

    • Vij

      Thank you Joel.  Well put

      • Magoo

        Kosh – ‘Mummy, mummy, make the mean men on Whaleoil stop picking on me by asking me to justify my statements. Please mummy, make them stop.’

        Kosh’s Mum – ‘Now, now dear, if you avoid Whaleoil for a little while I’m sure the mean men will forget all about it and then you can tell more lies.’

    • Gazzaw

      I like your comments Joel but disagree with your sentiments about getting unskilled people off the benefit and into well paid work. That maybe would have suited the ‘old’ labour party but new labour wants to keep workers on welfare and have the ‘rich pricks’ pay them through high taxes via the conduit of a munificent socialist government. 

      • Indeed the party whose main policy is “A cloud for every silver lining” can find some bad side to every proposal by the National Government to improve peoples’ prospects, I guess this one will be about the environment. Or they could play the “selling our future offshore” card again…

    • Kosh103

      There is a reason people like you DONT want to listen to what National says. All you want are the tag lines, not the actual truth. Thats ok, not everyone supports a party based on actual truths. Your choice. Me, I have listened to what Gerry has said, and I know what he would do with a simle.

      I am actually for mining, on the condition that it does not ruin the environment. If they can get the goodies out without killing the wildlife, or ruining the countryside, fantastic. If they cannot, then the minerals need to stay put.

      • Euan Rt

        You ‘seem’ to making a little more sense now Kosh, but of course some would say that digging a hole causes environmental damage. How much damage is acceptable to you?

      • Kosh103

        No dammage (barring unforseen accidents) at all.

      • Super Guest

        The environment gets a little messed up with you dig wholes in it. But the money we make and the jobs we can create far outweigh the damage to a couple of trees. Animals can be moved.

      • Kosh103

        Superguest: It is rather important not to damamge the environment – given we live in it.

      • Euan Rt

        Like I said, you can’t dig a hole without causing damage. If 1 snail dies is that too many? If not how many? Of course nobody wants to see NZ as one big mine so your comments about Gerry are not actually correct. He may want more mining than some – of that I have little knowledge- unlike some it seems, but to state no damage is not very realistic – there will always be damage.

      • Indeed you are wrong again. I do listen, and I like it. 

    • Anonymous

      Good for which people?  Socialised costs, privatised profits, the mantra of the national party.  What commenters here seem not to understand is that the economy and the environment are very much intertwined.  Degrade the environment and we will all pay for it in the years to come, while certain private enterprises make a profit in the short-term and move on.  And I’m glad you’re so confident in the ability of cost-minimising multinationals to safely drill for oil kilometres below the surface of the ocean, in an earthquake zone, but many of us have good reason not to take their word for it.  Deep sea drilling is known to be difficult and risky, hence why these reserves haven’t been tapped before now – and if something does go wrong, who do you think will suffer the cost and the clean up?  It’s simply not worth it for the enrichment of a few, and the elusive ‘trickle down’ effect they promise us.

      An economy based on selling primary products is characteristic of poor developing nations.  If New Zealand wants to be prosperous we need to concentrate on adding value, increasing technology and productivity.  What isn’t going to help us in the medium- and long-term is squandering our natural assets by expanding intensive farming, degrading our marine environment and damaging our last remaining pristine wilderness with overzealous mining activity.  I’m not opposed to all mining but we definitely need to do a comprehensive, public cost-benefit analysis before granting consents.

      • Re “An economy based on selling primary products is characteristic of poor developing nations” – very true. But given our size there is a limit to what we can produce by way of technology. Unless you want more dairy farms?

        And who has said anything about plans for deep sea drilling? And why can’t developing a mine or two that extracts something other than coal be part of an overall financial package/plan?Re “I’m not opposed to all mining” – what do you mean by this? Mining in other countries so you can continue buy the things you currently enjoy? 

        I would also love to know what other options you think NZ has by way of creating a huge new sector that will create jobs, generate income & increase exports.

        What else does NZ have that has the same potential as a mineral mine?

      • Anonymous

        Unsolicitedious  I didn’t think the deep sea drilling facts was contentious.  Exploration is already well under way, with the companies involved (Petrobras, Shell, OMV, Anadarko) having been invited here and are working under the assumption that we are open for business.  While the National government has given every indication that they are keen, the public and house opposition on these issues is fierce, so we will have to wait and see how things develop further.

        New Zealand is good at small highly innovative firms.  It wouldn’t take a huge number of successes to transform the economy.  We should invest in research and technology, and foster promising small businesses.  Investment in adding value to our raw materials might also be a good idea.  Niche and high-end products rather than homogeneous goods are the way to go for a small producer – ask any successful lifestyle farmer.

        Non-coal mining may well be worth while in some cases, but it’s vital that there is a transparent public debate and consultation process, which is not how this government tends to operate.  Also it’s important that the public is compensated fairly, as doesn’t appear to be the case for the current mining activity on conservation land.  As far as I know NZ isn’t famed for having enormous reserves of easily accessible precious minerals and metals.  Do you really think that digging up what we do have is going to be the making of our economy?  If it were that simple we would have done it decades ago.

      • Anonymous

        Unsolicitedious  I didn’t think the deep sea drilling facts was contentious.  Exploration is already well under way, with the companies involved (Petrobras, Shell, OMV, Anadarko) having been invited here and are working under the assumption that we are open for business.  While the National government has given every indication that they are keen, the public and house opposition on these issues is fierce, so we will have to wait and see how things develop further.

        New Zealand is good at small highly innovative firms.  It wouldn’t take a huge number of successes to transform the economy.  We should invest in research and technology, and foster promising small businesses.  Investment in adding value to our raw materials might also be a good idea.  Niche and high-end products rather than homogeneous goods are the way to go for a small producer – ask any successful lifestyle farmer.

        Non-coal mining may well be worth while in some cases, but it’s vital that there is a transparent public debate and consultation process, which is not how this government tends to operate.  Also it’s important that the public is compensated fairly, as doesn’t appear to be the case for the current mining activity on conservation land.  As far as I know NZ isn’t famed for having enormous reserves of easily accessible precious minerals and metals.  Do you really think that digging up what we do have is going to be the making of our economy?  If it were that simple we would have done it decades ago.

      • Anonymous

        Unsolicitedious – I didn’t think the deep sea drilling facts were contentious.  Exploration is already well under way, with the companies involved (Petrobras, Shell, OMV, Anadarko) having been invited here and are working under the assumption that we are open for business.  While the National government has given every indication that they are keen, the public and house opposition on these issues is fierce, so we will have to wait and see how things develop further.

        New Zealand is good at small highly innovative firms.  It wouldn’t take a huge number of successes to transform the economy.  We should invest in research and technology, and foster promising small businesses.  Investment in adding value to our raw materials might be a good idea.  Niche and high-end products rather than homogeneous goods are the way to go for a small producer – ask any successful lifestyle farmer.

        Non-coal mining may well be worth while in some cases, but it’s vital that there is a transparent public debate and consultation process, which is not how this government tends to operate.  Also it’s important that the public is compensated fairly, as doesn’t appear to be the case for the current mining activity on conservation land.  As far as I know NZ isn’t famed for having enormous reserves of easily accessible precious minerals and metals.  Do you really think that digging up what we do have is going to be the making of our economy?  If it were that simple we would have done it decades ago.

  • Kosh103

    LMAO – I see the simple folk are out today. Hey Magoo, dont stop with the personal attacks. It lets me know that I am right and also that I have annoyed the right. Which is a very good thing indeed.

    • Anonymous

      you haven’t annoyed anyone, you fail to see everyone is taking the piss.

      And don’t make out like you have a life away from this blog, your life would be meaningless without some right wingers to bitch and whinge to. Travelling to/from work, eating dinner and going for a piss does not count as “having a life away from the internet”.

      • Kosh103

        Oh trav I do oh so love when people like you get all snarky. Gives me a nice warm glow and a good feeling. Knowing how empty your life must be, ahhhhhhh sooo good.

    • Kosh you are being a cock….watch it or I will slam you Prince Albert in the door

  • Don’t worry folks; Kosh will soon be back at school, indoctrinating more of our tamariki into socialist ways.

    Meanwhile, he’s channelling Moana Mackey…

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2012/01/opportunity-or-threat.html

  • Anonymous

    Well kosh103 knows all about digging big holes,he does it here on a daily basis.

  • Kosh you provide valued entertainment every day :D

    So Drill it, mine it, sell it?

  • Kosh103

    Awwwwww how cute, the  right wing idiots have come out to play.

    • Right Wing Nutjobs actually, if Lynn Prentice at The Standard is to be believed. It never fails to amuse me how the so-called principled Left resorts to abuse when their arguments have been demolished.

      • Kosh103

        Seems to be the first action the right on here take.

    • ahem

    • Anonymous

      This is a right wing blog, I think the correct term is: “nice to see the left wing troll has joined us”.

      • Kosh103

        Thankyou for proving my point there trav.

  • Boss Hogg

    What I hope the minning people go looking for and find are the Rare Industrial Metals.  China controls soemthing like 97% of the worlds production (I read that in a reputable journal – don’t whip me if I am wrong – please) and they have recently decided to reduce the export quantity of a number of these metals to push market prices up.

    Lets go digging for all the “Unobtanium” we can find……….at least Kosh did not use the Sustainable work, but the delusional “Zero Impact” says it all to me – – back to that Wonderland Kosh.

    • Kosh103

      You cannot eat money.

      • Anonymous

        calling me Trav now? I am warmed by your affection. Perhaps this could be the beginning of something….

      • Boss Hogg

        Not sure what your point really is.  Do you know what money is and what purposes it is used for…………????

    • Euan Rt

      I take back my comment that Kosh might have been making some sense. He has nothing to add to this thread if he wants mining, but zero impact. Kosh your are as grounded in reality as Penny ‘the less bright’.

      • Kosh103

        So becuase I value the environment we have to live it and do not want to see it ruined in order to make money, this to you is “nothing to add”.

        It is so sad to see so many on the right would happily trot off the cliff as long as there is a buck to be made.

      • Euan Rt

        No, because you said that you agree with mining but you also say that you can accept no environmental impact. Therefore you lie just like your party of preference. And you teach our children? May even have taught mine. Our kids deserve better.

      • Kosh103

        You can mine without ruining these days.

  • Anonymous

    I’m all for mining as long as relandscaping and revegetation takes place in areas where mining has been completed (in regards to opencast).

    As for the offshore drilling I’m still on the fence with that one, there is no real failsafe practice in regards to preventing another Gulf of Mexico shambles.

  • jay cee

    ok children enough or you’ll be sent to bed. i for one was opposed to open cast mining until “pike river” came to the nations attention. it was then that i realised just how far into the back blocks those guys were travelling. if the mines  could all be out of sight and therefore out of mind i might be persuaded to go along with it,just don’t have any national party cabinet minister try to sell the idea and a few others will probably join me.

  • bobo the idiot

    Kosh you Knob Jockey or should I say Kosh Jockey, use a bit of KY you will find it goes in easier and you wont be so negative.   You are just another hypocrite who protests against mining our own resources but find it ok to use much of other nationalalities mined resources. What do you think your PC is made of, you mutton head…….  and I bet you have no qualms in driving your ponsoby tractor around..   

    • Kosh103

      Oh look, another right winger proving my previous point.

  • Steve (North Shore)

    Wonder why people are moving to OZ? Minerals, and money to be made.
    We love our trees that grow above our Gold and Coal.

    Oh btw, that Kosh wimp is a troll

    • Anonymous

      given the enviromental impact of the hundreds quarries around the country, I’m sure kosh will be happy to protest by not driving on the roads layered with stone chip from the quarries for the rest of his/its/her life.

      • Kosh103

        Sigh, not very good at reading are you.

  • Oh dear this Kosh vs the hounds reminds me of Red (Rubbish) Alert.

    Kosh – why do you insist on goading in this way? You are the minority on here & are just encouraging the keyboard warrior to sharpen their claws.

    It is one thing being in the minority & attempting to offer AND substantiate an opinion, but you don’t seem to actually SAY anything so just tend to piss people off.

    While you come across with plenty of bravado, no doubt this has been going on for ages so if doesn’t upset you then you clearly have a bizzare sense of humour, but if it does then have the good sense to stop before it screws with you.

    So far in this debate you have offered nothing bar the Brownlee thing which you have yet to substantiate (quotes & source).

    You also seem to miss your own blatant hypocrisy – you are on the internet = benefiting from open cast mines in other countries & no doubt some child labour too.

    • Kosh103

      Another who is not very good at reading. I am happy for mining to occur, as long as the environment WE LIVE IN is not sacraficed to the Gods of profit.

      The right are very quick to attack and call people names, but very slow to listen to what people are saying. But I am not silly enough to think that any of you on here will develop the skill of comprehension any time soon.

      • EX Navy Greg

        I take umbrage Kosh, I am sure you have found my musings somewhat erudite for the most part.
        I have a suggestion. Post a link to a mining co website that practices the methods you would like to see engaged here, and the great right unwashed multitudes may get a better idea of your most sensible suggestion.

      • But the environment will always suffer a little bit of damage – par for the cause. The smart thing is to ensure that any mining carried out will have limited impact – which is what National hopes to do….IF there is something to actually mine!

        So you have two choices: declare yourself hypocrite or forego all the wonderful goods you enjoy.

      • Thorn

        I believe you are.

    • Anonymous

      Well Unsolicitedious, if his response to that doesn’t tell you you’re talking to a brick wall, nothing will. I’ve been reading a few of your comments over the past few days, and while I don’t agree with you on everything, you’ve contributed a much more cohesive debate that kosh ever will.

      I trust you won’t waste too much of your time trying to talk sense into the troll, besides, we like to think of him as our local blog pinata, bash it with a stick occasionally and watch it flail about helplessly.

      Keep up the good work.

      • Kosh103

        LMAO – ahhh trav, true to form as always.

  • I reckon Kosh is Whale, deliberately trolling to get the discussion going. Like target practise for the Whale Army or something. 

    Thanks for reminding us of the stupidity we’re up against.

    • Fuck off…traget practice though is good. But it is boring as fuck because he is just so stupid…it concerns me that he is a teacher though.

      • Kosh103

        You are confusing me with your followers there WO. They would be the stupid ones.

        Oh and I understand from some of them that you supposedly gave me a smack on the hand the other day. Seeing as I missed that little gem, could you do it again so I get to see it?

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