It’s not just the Catholics who get it wrong

The Bishops in the House of Lords are getting in the way of welfare reform, backing those who don’t try over those who do.

Mr Duncan Smith said the Church of England bishops, who are threatening to derail his planned £26,000 benefit cap, should think more of low-income families who try to do “the right thing”.

In an interview with The Sunday Times, he acknowledged that his plans to limit the total payments any household can receive could face defeat in the House of Lords tomorrow.

He urged the bishops, who are leading the opposition in the upper chamber, to rethink their objections, insisting they were not doing the poor any favours.
“The question I’d ask these bishops is, over all these years, why have they sat back and watched people being placed in houses they cannot afford? It’s not a kindness,” he said.

“I would like to see their concerns about ordinary people, who are working hard, paying their tax and commuting long hours, who don’t have as much money as they would otherwise because they’re paying tax for all of this. Where is the bishops’ concern for them?

“I would like to see a more balanced response from the bishops.

“It’s all very well for the bishops to express a political opinion, but I would love them to ask about the poor people on low incomes who are working hard, whose families share rooms, who are doing the right thing.”

At least it isn’t protecting institutional boy buggering and coverups.


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  • ConwayCaptain

    US Old Conways get everywhere.  IDS is an OC and he is doing what needs to be done here in the UK.  In some places they were paying 100K to keep people in v flash houses and many of these were “asy;um seekers”

  • Gazzaw

    ‘Who will rid me of these turbulent priests’.      Apologies to Henry II but three of his mates answered his call and duly obliged.

    I am nominally C of E but FFS the church here in NZ is equally as bad if not worse than their Brit counterparts. I don’t do church any more – got fed up with fucken lefty priests bent on fixing NZ according to their political agendas.

    • Kimbo

      I’m shocked that anyone in the Lords is contemplating not following the decision of the Commons.

      I thought this was a constitutional matter that the British had settled with the Irish Home Rule debate in 1910, without having to resort to the silliness of a written-constitution solution, so beloved by Americans, and legal half-wits like Geoffrey Palmer.

      From memory, the Liberal Party had secured a majority after two close elections, where the issue of Home Rule for Ireland had proved highly divisive (the Ulster Protestants deeply opposed it). The Liberals were then told that Conservatives and blue bloods in the House of Lords (who obviously held their seats not by popular mandate, but by inheritance, or courtesy of their bestowed peerage or episcopacy) would vote against any Home Rule legislation that came their way.

      The solution that the recently ascended King George V agreed, in consultation with his Prime Minister Herbert Asquith, was to threaten to flood the House of Lords with a whole bunch of new peers who would not only vote for the government’s bill, but also lower the property values!

      Maybe Cameron could do the same. Go to QEII, and advise her, “Ma’am, just as my predecessor counselled your grand father, I’m requesting you announce your intention to create 27 new bishoprics, so that my democratically-elected government can rule and implement its policies as per your royal warrant.

      Plus, ma’am, in line with the objection of your royal predecessor, Louis XVI who exclaimed in response to a particularly bad clerical nomination, “No, no, the bishop of Paris must at least believe in God!”, we may actually end up with some who are acquainted with, and maybe even practice the historic Christian faith, which you, as ‘defender of the faith’ are sworn to uphold!”

      • Thorn

        Brilliant contribution!

      • Gazzaw

        Good one Kimbo.

    • Thorn

      I have a lot of sympathy for David Cameron. He has un-elected f*ckwits in the Lords, just as we have un-elected f*ckwits on the Maori Statutory Boards. 

      • Gazzaw

        plus unelected f*ckwits on the list.

  • Alex

    Wish the Conservatives had reformed the Lords themselves before Blair and his mafia got there first.  Of course Blair left the Bishops there — they were the most vocal opponents of the Thatcher government. 

    Too often centre-right governments fail to read the writing on the wall when it comes to social and constitutional reform, and let the left champion the reform and thereby shape it according to the left agenda.  If the centre-right took the lead with reform they could shape it according to the conservative agenda.

  • Steve and Monique

    Why do we still have to listen,or be guided by an institution,that believes in an invisble entity,God or Allah(,which may as well include the easter bunny,tooth fairy,and a certain xmas entity(name suppresion given for the sake of children).).The church needs to get the hint,and leave the rest of us to get on with it .

  • Anonymous

    “Mankind shall not be free until the last king is strangled in the entrails of the last priest.” 

    ― Denis Diderot 

    If these parasites want to have political opinions and influence political decision making then they can pay tax on their holdings and income just like the rest of us ,until then they can get fucked.

  • I didn’t think the Spiritual Lords were allowed to influence politics. I don’t know how I got that impression, but very sad to learn that I was mistaken. This shouldn’t be allowed…

  • Harry

    Belief in gods, let alone religion, should preclude anyone from influencing anything.

    • Anonymous

      No, the desire to be a politician should bar you for life from ever being one.

  • Steve and Monique

    Fuck if I talked to an invisible entity,and he answered back,I would get put in the nuthouse.God spoken to you,then get help,you poor demented soul.