Please Hekia can we have this here?

Hekia Parata is the new Education Minister and if the NZEI rand PPTA thought that they didn’t like Anne Tolley then they are in for a nice bit of shock therapy from Hekia Parata. One of the first things she should do is emulate the latest measures by Michael Gove in the UK:

From September head teachers will be allowed to sack the worst-performing staff in just a term – rather than a year – as part of sweeping reforms being announced today.

Speaking on BBC Radio 4 today, Mr Gove said: “If the alarm bells are ringing and the red lights are flashing it used to take a year but we are now concertinaing it.

“I think head teachers should intervene earlier. I don’t think anyone wants to terminate someone’s employment unless it’s necessary.”

When asked if a teacher whose class does not improve will be “in the firing line”, he replied: “Yes.”

Mr Gove added: “It’s their responsibility to ensure that children behave and that children succeed.”

Earlier he told the Telegraph: “You wouldn’t tolerate an underperforming surgeon in an operating theatre, or a underperforming midwife at your child’s birth,

“Why is it that we tolerate underperforming teachers in the classroom? Teachers themselves know if there’s a colleague who can’t keep control or keep the interest of their class, it affects the whole school.

“Children themselves know they are being cheated. Ultimately we owe it to our children. They are in school for 190 days a year. Every moment they spend learning is precious. If a year goes by and they are not being stretched and excited, that blights their life. We have got to think of what’s in the children’s interests first.”

Of course measures like that will only be effective if they are blackballed from the profession rather than given glowing references and sent on to the next unsuspecting school:

In a further move, the Government will announce that all teachers will be assessed against rigorous new teaching standards every year to ensure performance is being maintained and measures will be introduced to stop poor teachers being “recycled” from school to school.

Ministers claim the reforms – being introduced from September this year – will create a “simpler and faster system to deal with teachers who are struggling”.

It follows the publication of official figures showing that just 17 staff in England have been struck off for incompetence in a decade.

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  • notavictim

    So someone has finally manned up to make them accountable? I bet the uk teachers union is spitting tacks. Bring it on Hekia.

  • ConwayCaptain

    There is a total sea change taking place in the UK.  The Social Welfare system is being overhauled by Ian Duncan Smith (Old Conway by the way).  The Foreign Secretary William Hague is making his mark and Gove is ov erhauling thye Education system.

    All it need now is for Cameron to have the Cojones to get out of the straitjacket that is the EU.

    If Key did the same he would have the country behind him.

  • Kosh103

    NZ should do NOTHING that the UK does. The UK is currently changing most of their system becuase of its failure to educate.

    • notavictim

      clarkenfuhrer inflicted her ideology on us for 3 terms, just like blair did. In that instance you are right. Woulda thought the failure to educate could have been fixed in the UK LP last term.

    • Kosh103

      Given we have one of the best education systems in the world, we would do well not to copy others  who do not do as well as we do and who have figured out that what they were doing was wrong.

      • ConwayCaptain

        Then why do we have 20% leaving school who cannot read, write or enumerate?? 

        Why is it that pupils with dyslexia etc get little help in the schools though that iis improving.?? 

        Why are there articles in the NZH from employers saying that they have people who cannot read, write etc and they have to be able to read instructions?

        Why do the Chiefs of Defence Staff complain that when they get new entrants who have to be able to handle modern technology that they have to teach them to read, write etc???

        Take off your blinkers.  If Toyota, Ford, GM etc had a rejection rate of 20% for their product they wouldnt stay in business.

      • Gazzaw

        An education system that fails 20% of its pupils. Any system whether state-run or private enterprise and regardless of what sector it serves that fails 20% of its clients needs a total review starting with management and staff.

      • Kosh103

        Ahhh the 20% lie.

    • ConwayCaptain

      Is KOSH 103 a teacher per chance????

      Our son went to schopol at 5 and it was obvious that he was v bright but he had a learning difficulty.  The school did nothing about it and we decided to move him to a private school.

      He had a teacher who was FANTASTIC and he was in her class for 18 months.  He then went to anothefr teacher who was a complete FW.  Parents complained and took children out of school and took the school to the small claims tribunal.  The school was demanding the one terms fees in liue of notice which they were entilted to.  Parents said no way as the school wasnt delivering but they lost.  We eventually diod the same and took a different approach and we won.

      Our son went to a Normal Primary School after this and in a class of 38 and an experiemced teacher he did well and any problems were sorted out immediately and he was happy.

      He then went toa Normal Intermediate and he had another FW teacher.  We complained, he got no help, he was belittled in class because f his spelling etc etc.  At the end of the year we said we couldnt do any worse and homeschooled him for 4 years.  He then went to secondary and they were marvellous in 6th and 7th form and he did well.

      So in the course of his primary/intermediate schooling he had poor teachers in 3 schools inc poor principals who couldnt give a monkeys toss.  Did they get the sack, well the one at the private school was “moved on” and the rest werfe inflicted on the students in later years.

  • ConwayCaptain

    Most of the people in prison are illeterate, many of the younger people In have met speak in grunts and use ahh, Hmmm etc when speaking and like.

    Many mployers say that the standard of people that come to them for a job is v low and they cannot follow simple written instructions or enumerate.

    If KOSH103 would like to read the papers watch the news on TV dor what it is worth and listen to what people say he may be able to elucidate the truth.

    I had young seamen on the NZ coast, members of that fine upstanding body of men, who were basically illiterate.

    • Kosh103

      The truth is, National have lied about education in NZ from the get go and the right wing have swallowed the lies.

      That is the truth.

      • Guest

        From my experience in intermediate schools, the charge of lying about the state of  education in NZ would be more appropriately laid at Labour and the PPTA’s feet.

        I sincerely hope for the sake of our youth, (boys particularly), that Hekia and John Banks use this term to make some radical and long overdue changes. 

    • Kosh can not read a newspaper or watch the news of TV – doing so might sway kosh away from his ultra errr left wonder world.

      No sir you can not take the blinkers off Mr Kosh

  • Vij

    Kosh103 you are called a moron because you behave like a moron,
    think like a moron   and write garbage like a moron.  Yesterday, for the first time, you reacted negatively to being called a moron.  So obviously, being called a moron has touched a raw nerve in your feeble mind.
    It is simple, if you want to be taken as a serious commentator who contributes usefully to this medium, you should write something that makes sense rather than parroting rubbish that the majority posting here disagree with.  I will stop calling you an idiotic moron and a moron when you stop behaving like one.  ConwayCaptain has it spot on.  You need to grow up and join the real world, otherwise get lost.  You can set up your own blog and spout your garbage there.

    • Kosh103

      Ahhh I see yet again you have nothing to add to the thread. No surprise there. It is above your level of understanding. Return to your colouring in book, and try to stay within the lines.

      • Vij

        Kosh103, the person who spouts rubbish, ie moron.  Everyone who posts here can we please reply to everything Kosh103 writes with “Kosh103 you are a moron”.  Maybe then Kosh103 will get the message he is a moron.

    • ConwayCaptain

      Thank you Vij for your comments.

      One thing I object to on this site is belittling someone for their views and calling them names.  I have been bought up to beleive

      “I disagree with what you say, but will depend to the death your right to say it”

      One of the things at sea on long ocean passages we used to have discussions on all sorts of topics and these could get heated but everyone respected the other persons opinion. 

      As I said before I had seamen who had left school at 12 but were some of the best read and self educated men I have ever met.  The younger ones were chaff .I used to have an AB on my ship on the NZSU executive and we used to have long and very erudite discussions.  He had left school at 12 or so in the Hebrides and was a very well read and therefore educated man.

      • Vij

        Thank you ConwayCaptain.  Point noted.  However, I do get sick and tired of people like Kosh103 who misrepresent the facts to suit their own purpose.  I have had young Uni. graduates working for me who could not even spell and even put together a sentence in grammatically correct English, so I know where you’re coming from.  I do enjoy reading your comments

      • Paul Rain

        Yeah the idea that schooling in any way relates to intelligence has always irritated me. Once upon a time only the crème de la crème would go on to university- but at least then those that didn’t got a good education while they were  in school. Now every idiot who happened to be born to a middle class family must go to university, because apparently a maccas worker with a BA has more status than a tradie who works for himself.

    • Kosh103

      Oh look, yet another post with zero effort to address the tread. Poor simple fool that you are Vij.

      • Vij

        Still a moron, you’re doing exactly the same as what you claim others are doing

  • jay cee

    question, if all you people who criticise teachers(and yes in the past i was one of you) know all the answers then why don’t you take it up? try teaching a slow child when some one elses little darlings are being deliberately disruptive.then face an angry parent  at the end of the year who can’t understand why you haven’t turned their child into another einstein. that and successive governments that all have their own agendas from the left wanting to level  the playing field or right wing governments who loathe teachers for having the audacity,wait for it,to belong to a union {gasp). as for children who become illiterate adults, one need only look at their home environment. i can recall reading about a young guy who  was a truant and below the level he should have been for reading comprehension telling how when he was struggling with his home work his mother told him to get lost as she was more interested in smoking her next joint,so he felt it was a waste of time trying.
     remember its only in the last 20 years or so  that people have come to understand dyslexia. also it may not always be helpful to be pedantic about spelling and grammar given that the youth of today are into txt speak.
     but be that as it may politicians find teachers an easy target and whipping boy as there is always plenty of fertile soil to renew old schoolday resentments.

     

    • Kosh103

      An excellent post and very true. A pitty more people do not have your very clear and accurate understanding of the situation.

    • Paul Rain

      And why do teachers always vote for the parties most committed to ensuring that as many children as possible grow up in a dysfunctional single-parent family?

    • Guest

      In my experience, sending a child out for remedial reading or maths tuition, in practice absolves the classroom teacher of  responsibility for that child. The classroom experience does not actually do anything to build on, or re-inforce the knowledge gained from the extra tuition, and in reality  ‘Johnny’ returns to the classroom to be ignored and struggle on on his own. 

      • Kosh103

        Care to take up the challange then. Become a teacher and show us how its done.

      • Guest

        In reply to Kosh below.
        Have done so, and after 21/2 years of of Uni and two practicum experiences at Normal Intermediate Schools, where ‘you can’t care for them all’ is seriously peddled, in direct conflict with what I am being taught, I am seriously reconsidering whether teaching is for me.
        Sadly, teaching for many these days is a job, not a profession and our children are the ones who are disadvantaged by their mediocrity.

         

    • Paul Rain

      ” try teaching a slow child when some one elses little darlings are being deliberately disruptive” So we need streaming then?

  • Anonymous

    Kosh103 you are a moron. “ahh the 20% lie” its only a lie when it suits people. Unless you have something useful to add STFU.

    • Kosh103

      It is a lie. The 20% does not take into accout learning issues, behaviour issues, home life situations. Very few students simply fail.

      The 20% is  a lie.

  • Anonymous

    kosh103 you are a moron. Your opinions are always in direct contrast to everyone else.

    • Kosh103

      Another lie. There have been a few times where I have agreed with others on here and they with me.

      I suggest before making silly statements you make yourself aware of the facts.

      • Anonymous

        and the facts are you’re a left wing troll in a constant struggle to gain some traction on a right wing blog, lets not kid ourselves. You’ll have better luck over on The Stranded, they encourage the likes of you.
        The instances of you agreeing with everyone else are as common as reductions in the price of fuel.

      • Kosh103

        No, the fact is the right hate having the truth pointed out to them.

      • Anonymous

        Your comedic value will never tire us, not as long as you continue to be serious.

  • Awww someone belittled my BA degree again :(

    Then again I did stop doing my Masters of Planning Practice after I realised – err brainwashed socialist Central Planner or will I learn more by getting out into the real world and do some work.

    So out I go and go do some work – for Auckland Metro Rail :P
    Point being I have learnt more self educating myself than doing a post grad degree at uni, been well worth my while without the student loan running away.

    Then again out of 8 things employers were looking for; experience and initiative was at the top and what piece of paper you had at the bottom of the list.

    • Vij

      You are absolutely correct, employers do look for experience and initiative, and also the ability to read and write

  • Steve (North Shore)

    Kosh103
    You seem to have a problem and vent your spleen here. Why not write a letter to the Minister for Education?
    No? then you are a shit stirring troll

    • Kosh103

      Already did that many a time with Tolley. Will see what the new Minister does.

  • EX Navy Greg

    There is one point that I do agree with Kosh on.Some of the problems are directly related to whats going on at home. Mate of mine is a teacher, she regularly tells me that she is starting to make progress with a kid, then the shit hits the fan at home and she is back to square one or worse.
    But then some teachers are just useless.

  • jay cee

    like wise i agree some teachers are useless and should be doing something else,trouble is sorting the wheat from the chaff is not as easy as it sounds in this case. my daughter was relieving secondary teacher and told me of how at a top private school all the pupils were motvated to learn and asked  intelligent questions that related to their chosen career paths
    and compared it to a lower decile school where the pupils seem to switch off by late friday morning and were more interested in making plans for their weekend socialising.
    same teacher – two different schools.

    • Kosh103

      And that is the problem teachers face in low decile areas a lot of the time. It is the value that has been placed on education (more often than not by the parents).

      I challange ANY of the self appointed experts in here to go teach a bunch of HS kids on a hot Friday afternoon in a LDS and then come back and say it is the teachers fault.

      • EX Navy Greg

        Because I am a single male, children left home now, I am automatically a pedophile and wouldn’t be allowed near the school. In my previous career I spent 12 month deployments ashore instructing. To see a young dumb as dogshit loser from the east coast’s eyes when ” they get it” is one of the most rewarding things I have ever done. Jack it up for me Kosh, I would welcome the opportunity.

  • Anonymous

    I was talking to a woman who teaches in Singapore the other day.

    She says that teachers are graded and have performance assessments every year. KPI’s are things like the students have to improve their educational performance by x% through the year. 

    The teachers receive bonus payments (or not) depending on that assessment.

    Those at the bottom of the list are warned, and if they continue to under-perform, are asked to leave “the service”. Not the school, teaching altogether.

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