Rena splits in two, Ctd

Photos from Maritime NZ of the MV Rena. The NZ Herald reports:

The Rena has split into two pieces, which are now up to 30m apart, after being pounded by bad weather this weekend.

Swells of up to 6m hit the grounded container ship overnight.

The stern section of the vessel had broken away and was moving significantly but remained on the reef, Maritime New Zealand said this morning.

The front section remains in its original position on Astrolabe Reef, off the Tauranga coast.

A large amount of containers and container debris have fallen from the ship overnight.

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  • Dr Wang

    I blame Jake the Muss.

    The little shortarse packs a mean punch, I knew Rena wouldn’t be able to put up with it forever.

  • EX Navy Greg

    The old girl put up a good fight. Not a good sight for a sailor.
    My guess is the stern section will turn to the right about 90 degrees and sink.The tug Go Canopus appears to have a static tow on her, AIS map on this link:

    http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/default.aspx?mmsi=563242000&centerx=176.4343&centery=-37.53699&zoom=10&type_color=0

    • She did put up one hell of a good fight.
      I have a question, it seems the centre is flooded good and proper and underwater. Can the Salvors get that stern section to port or do we lay charges and sink her (and extend the reef)

      • EX Navy Greg

        Might be too late. Go Canopus appears to have moved about 200 m in the last 30 mins, I’m thinking she is going down.

      • Shit, if the stern is sunk – ah well new reef for the divers

      • Ratchet

        By the looks of that Hi res the first call NZ generator hire makes tomorrow will be to their insurance brokers…..

      • EX Navy Greg

        Last I heard from my errr..contact, she is still afloat but heavily down forward.She is moving around by about 60 metres sideways,but still has buoyancy in the machinery space and no7 hold (under the generators).The bond Svitzer would have paid would be the replacement cost of the above.

      • mister m

        Who pays for the NZ Generator Hire gennies that are about to down with the stern? Surely they can’t be insured if Aggreko put them in such a location?
        Something else the taxpayer is going to have to stump up for?

      • EX Navy Greg

        Read my post above, Svitzer have paid for them already, no insurer would underwrite it.

  • Agent BallSack

    Is it time to stop flag of convenience ships entering NZ waters without suitable underwriting? From what I have read the insurance for disaster was a staggering 10million dollars or so, the disaster will cost the country hundreds of millions of dollars in clean up. All ships should be risk assessed and Liberian/African etc flagged ships should be forced to insure to the value of disaster style underwriting as these are the ships that are most likely to cause these types of scenarios

    • Anonymous

      … then freight costs go up. NZ Government will also need to approve insurers to be used. Even then there could be an insurance failure eg insurer refusing to pay out for some breach of condition. Better bet in this instance would be a marine version of air traffic control which already exists in some areas eg North Cape – Auckland.

      • ConwayCaptain

        If you put well paid crews on the costs would not go up.  If you paid a crew of 20 US$100K pm total and divided that by say 2500 freight paying containers carried that is US$ 4 per box.

  • ConwayCaptain

    I will come back with my thoughts on FoCs

  • Agent BallSack

    IMO the Rena should have been arrested at Australia and forced to make the 30 odd changes to Operating Procedure and repairs as per noted by the Australian Maritime Authorities. Basically it was the vehicular equivalent of a car with one lug on each wheel travelling down the road at 100miles per hour. That said, I bet the Australians just wanted the thing out of their waters – arresting the ship would mean detaining the crew and the subsequent disowning of the ship by the owners. Does NZ need a stand off area for FoC ships while the risks are assessed?

  • ConwayCaptain

    Before I give you a potted run down on the lack of standards at sea I will give you a potted CV.

    I did my pre seas training at one of theb great UK pre sea training ships, HMS Conway MN Cadet School.  Google them and see what their history was.

    I served my apprenticeship with Port Line on the A’asia run and got 2nd Mates at Southampton Uni.  Then did two years with Swires of HK and got my 1st Mates in Akl.

    Then served with Blue Star Port line Management and Cunard (they were related) and got Masters in Akl.  Worked ashore for ACT and then USSCo at sea prior to Jpining Shipping Corp of NZ and ended up as Master with them.  After their demise worked in various shore jobs and also at sea until they dried up.  Have acted as expert witness in about 5 cases and two came to court.

    When I sat my professional certyificates you had to get 70% pass mark in writtens and then 90% in signals.  In addition you sat in front of an examiner for between 60-120 mins for orals and they could ask you ANYTHING.

    The certificates issued by British Commonwealth countries were considered to be the best and many Commonwealth citiizens outside the traditional maritime nations UK/Aus?NZ/SA came and sat their certs there because of the standard of the qualifiaction.

    In the early 70-s as containerisation was coming in they bought in Internatioanl Regs standardising these verts and all were considered equal. At this time shipping cos started flagging out and it was cheaper to emp;loys a Filipino etc as their certs were tge same.  Thjis is from one of the most corrupt countries in the world and everyone knew that theybwere paid for.

    About this time the Pacific Charger, Liberian registered, Taiwanese officers burmese crew ran up on Pencarrow head on her maiden voyage and the authorities were warned that this was the tip of the iceberg.  When there was the debate in NZ about shipping the NZSU and the Merchant Service Guild warned about these certs and of course this was poo poohed.

    The cabotage on the NZ Coast and the Tasman was abolished and lo and behold what happened ships running between Akl/Lyttelton filled up with cargo at cost+ rates and the NZ ships lost out.  Now we have NZ at the end of the longest suply route in the world with no ships and damn all trained seafarers.

    All the cadtes trained by SCONG and USSCo are all 50+ and getting to retirement age.

    These ships like the Rena ar owned by single ship companies in Liberia and managed by another co and chartered by a third.

    In companies like SCONZ you knew the blokes you were serving with knew their qualifications etc and there was an esprit de corp.  Now these management cos can send someone to a ship and no one knows him from a bar of soap or what his capabilities are.  In many of these ships there are multiple nationalities and the lingua franca is English of sorts.

    Here we have ships which are technically more advanced than ships I served on manned by people with little or no skills yet they ply the worlds trade.  What would happen if Air NZ registered all its planes in Liberia and told everyone that a;ll our pilots are now from the Filipines.  No one woulod fly with them.

    There is nothing wrong with a FoC ship as longs as it is well manned, managed and maintained.  However they are not in the main.

    I took over a ships Liberian registered and was told all certs in order etc etc.  It took 4 weeks alongside and 2.5 million dollars to get her up to scratch.  18 moths later she was handed back to a Flip crew, re flagged back to Liberia and within 3 months was being towed in as she had broken down as the Flips didnt know how to run her.

  • ConwayCaptain

    I can walk up the gangway of a ship and tell you within 5 mins if it is well maintained and run.  If not then the surveyor can get to work and within 8 hrs have a list of defects as long as my arm.

    • Bloody hell that was an extensive post
      Thank you for that insight as there is some scary stuff out there

    • Politically Unstable

      Even though there were some issues with the ship when it left Freemantle (?) surely this was a human error and nothing to do with the seaworthiness of the vessel?

  • kevin

    How many/% of this standard of vessel are plying our waters Cap’n?

  • kevin

    How many/% of this standard of vessel are plying our waters Cap’n?

    • ConwayCaptain

      Kev in

      I hazard to guess.

      Some ships even FoCs are run bt reputable companies many are not.

      We have log boats operated by FoCs with poorly trained crews.  Look at the Jody F Millenium in Gisborne but that was a combination of crews and a port co that didnt know what it was doing.

      The shipm that grounded off Brisbane last year, owned by Swires but Korean Crews and then the ship that went aground off Newcastle. 

      Look at the fishing boat disasters hefre, they should never have been at sea let alone down in the Southewrn Ocean.

  • Vlad

    As far as environmental damage is concerned & it has been f all so far, it looks like a lot of milk powder has spilled (wooohoo how bad) and there are “fears” aka Herald windups that more oil “may” leak – although  there is none left.  No doubt this ship is a POS and this is all-round a f’kup, but the most material outcome of this event has been the witless hysterical coverage by the MSM, which has been gagging for a monster disaster but sorry folks, hasn’t happened so far, won’t happen later either. 

  • Vlad

    Not to say that Conway Captain’s comments are invalid at all, he writes gold & shows the value of blogs & their input v tired lazy msm press release recycling schlock, Whale your blog is of inestimable value; a good outcome of technology’s capacity to allow real & smart human insight into the world of news.

  • Caleb

    did they expect to remove all the containers then disassemble the ship, over the course or a year or more, at an unlimited cost.

    some c4 would have sorted it..

  • Caleb

    did they expect to remove all the containers then disassemble the ship, over the course or a year or more, at an unlimited cost.

    some c4 would have sorted it..

  • grumpy

    The Govt. should have taken a lesson from Australia

  • Anonymous

    At least some of the people now won’t have to pay 80% to get their stuff back.

  • Frederico

    Did the container with the Holden Premier in it make it off?…damn shame if it didn’t!

    • EX Navy Greg

      With a bit of luck it would have been classified as dangerous goods ( with me driving it would be ), and being light it may be on deck up front.

    • I wonder if Labour’s signs have been taken off.

      • EX Navy Greg

        I fucking hope not. I would prefer them to be sea pollution rather than visual pollution.

  • Anonymous

    I just hope that they now put a whopping-great beacon on the reef. Surprising that there wasn’t one there before. 
    I realise that the reef is on the charts, but a beacon would give any crazy crew even less excuse to go aground there. 

    What about the possibility of shipping-traffic control? Would the ship still have run aground if there was someone at the port monitoring it and screaming at the captain “RENA, YOU ARE HEADED FOR A REEF! COME ABOUT TO COURSE 295 DEGREES!”   

    • EX Navy Greg

      To build an offshore lighthouse is costly in the extreme. This reef reminds me of the famous Bell Rock light off the coast of Scotland. Radar will pick up astrolabe reef unless it is 2 hours either side of high tide. She grounded 20 minutes after high tide.The existing beacons on the approach roads to TGA are very clear and easily understood, but the watchkeeper needs to be awake and looking out. Modern ships with ECDIS / radar combo’s make it pretty much idiot proof. Good link here:

      http://www.sam-electronics.de/dateien/navigation/navigation.html

    • Ratchet

      The stern section may be making a play for freedom, but the reef’s still got a fucking big radar reflector sitting right on top of it for now…

  • EX Navy Greg
  • EX Navy Greg
  • http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/rena-s-stern-sinking-4680983Seems the stern is ready to go under apparently 

    The question is will it sink and settle on the sea floor or semi float and be a real pain in the ass to shipping?

    And can we use TNT to blast the bottom out to assist it sinking if need be?

  • EX Navy Greg

    Farewell old girl, and thank you .You are now under the care of Neptune, no more shall you have to put your shoulder to the sea.

    Rest in peace, from a mariner.

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