Can we have this here?

The Aussies have got it sorted with awesome school comparison website:

The third version of the MySchool website has gone live, providing information about staffing, resources and student performance for almost 10,000 Australian schools.

The website has been updated to include four years of performance data from the National Assessment Program Literacy and Numeracy (NAPLAN) tests, showing students’ progress over time and allowing schools to compare their progress against that of other schools since 2008.

 


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  • dutyfree

    they have similar in the USA too.  Good business opportunity for some one internet savvy like you!

  • Kosh103

    God awful idea. Unless it takes into account social issues, learning issues, economic issues, then any comparison made is worhless. It will provide a false picture of a schools situation.

    But hey, who cares if the kids and schools are labled as faliures. Just as long as people like WO will be able to make inaccurate snap judgements.

    • Symgardiner

      If you actually had a look at the link you will see it does take into account such factors.

      “Factors used to determine a group of similar schools are the socio-educational backgrounds of the students’ parents, whether the school is remote, the proportion of Indigenous students, the proportion of students from a language background other than English, or a combination of these factors.”

      Perhaps it would be worth being a little bit open minded to the possibility that allowing parents to make more informed decisions for THEIR own children might be a quite good idea.

      • Kosh103

        It takes into account the easy stuff. It does not paint a full and informed picture.

      • Bafacu

        In response to Kosh103: so you are the one who has a full and informed picture – not parents, not anyone else who may have an informed opinion – just Teachers (not)? Seems that you have an over inflated persperctive of your capabilities.

    • Killjoy

      So Kosh, if it took into account social, learning and economic issues you would class (excuse the pun) the comparisons as worthwhile? Just trying to follow your logic.

      We already have schools Decile Ratings and you often find similar social, learning and economic issues exists between schools with the same Decile Ratings in comparable settings (size of population, etc).

      So, having a comparison of schools similar to what I would send my child to, should help me to decide that I was making a good or a poor choice based on how that school rates amongst its ‘peers’ in the students’ educational achievement and how efficiently and effectively it uses the funding and support its received from the State.

      As long as the comparisons are based on other schools with the same Decile Rating and population base then that seems to me that it would meet your standard and be a worthwhile exercise.
      What is the problem with having a standard the school has to perform to? What problem is there in a parent being able to easily compare schools to best suit their child?
      Surely we’ll be able to find “best practices” and share those with schools that need more support to achieve?
      What is the purpose of the school if it wasn’t to get the best result for the student?

      • Kosh103

        The decile ratings are for funding, and they themselves are a joke, so best not to use them as a way of advancing your position. And as for the idea that a decile rating suggests schools are simmilar, yeaaaaa thats an even bigger joke.

        And if you think tables are all about “best practice” and reaching eduational standards – good lord, I suggest you stop posting now and go to another thread.

    • Peter WIlson

      I’d side with Kosh03 here. There are lots of variables that are difficult to take into account. The entrenched institutional racism of the teacher unions for example which exacerbates everything. I remember a Porirua decile 1 school was offered extra sporting rescources, which the kids rebelled at, they wanted more English and Maths….!!  Just wanting to keep the natives happy.

      • Symgardiner

        That’s why you give the information and let INTELLIGENT parents make those types of judgements.

    • Euan Rt

      Like others here Kosh, I find it hard to follow your logic. I’m not sure if you think parents should have the choice of where their children attend school? If so; then what parameters/information do you think is best for these parents to use to make informed decisions?

      • Kosh103

        I am all for INFORMED choice. Tables made from test results alone is far from informed.

        I am all for kids doing nothing but their very best, but when you ignore all the problems and issues kids come with, and then say “Oh this school is better because they have better test scores” is plain stupid.

      • Euan Rt

        So my question is “what information do we as parents use?”

      • Kosh103

        Visit the school you are intrested in.

        Have a look around, stick your nose into a class or 2 and listen to what is happening. You will get a much more informed picture of a school and its real ability than you ever will from comparing test scores. Also, talk to parents from that school. Are they jumping for joy, or was it just the closest one to work.

        To be fair, parents who are not in education are at a disadvantage. Teachers know all the gossip, and where not to go. So make friends with teaches, they know stuff.

      • Euan Rt

        I appreciate your time kosh but remain unconvinced to this approach. Far too hit and miss. Putting your head around a classroom door would be meaningless. As for befriending a teacher, who knows they too may be crap teachers. Talking to parents is fine if they are able to compare their school with another school, and hello we are back to square one.

      • Kosh103

        Well, I can tell you now,you will get zero quality info about a school by looking at a chart that compares them to another school.

        But, each to their own. I have always prefered being informed myself.

      • Dr Wang

        Sorry Kosh, you’re coming across as a classic “denier” – denying parents the freedom to access information they want regarding their children’s schools.

    • Dion

      So what you’re saying is that no information is better than partial information?

      • Kosh103

        I am saying bad information is bad information.

      • Symgardiner

        Exactly. This is the logical conclusion of the PPTA/NZEI/Labour position. They say that they know best, even though they have nothing to base that on. They reckon they know education best because they are teachers. Well… newsflash… we are parents and we know what’s best for our kids. And if we need some information to make those decisions, then whoever gets in the way of us getting that information is going to get trampled!!!

      • Dion

        What’s wrong with publishing a league table – and including a disclaimer stating that the numbers aren’t entirely comparable as they don’t adjust for socioeconomic factors, varying rates of learning, etc.

        How would you feel about Tony Ryall covering up NZ’s obesity rate to avoid unfavourable comparisons to the rest of the world?

        Transparency is good.  Secrecy is bad.  Give people all the facts and let them decide what matters.

      • Kosh103

        Nothing to base that on Sym???? Except for the fact that they are educational experts. Thats all.

      • Kosh103

        Dion –  I am willing to bet you a large amount of money that no one would read a disclaimer that the info was rubbish becuase it took nothing into account. Nor would any one print such a disclaimer.

      • Dion

        That’s not the point.  Whether or not you consider the adult population smart enough to interpret information put in front of them does not change the fact that transparency is good.

        Remember that people compare schools anyway.  They move house to get into the zones of “good” schools.  It’s just that at the moment, their reasons for doing this are totally subjective.  They can be made less so.

      • jay cee

        just like to add, how many times have you heard people saying ” i wouldn’t send my child to that school if you paid me” or words to that effect. when in fact when your elder children excelled there. seems to me that some schools come and go in the favourites stakes with monotonous regularity and has nothing to do with their staff. 

    • Pukakidon

       Kosh, you are the typical teacher who will use any excuse to blame the student.  Why does it matter if the student comes from a low social economic environment? you continually use this as an excuse….  It is up to the teacher to teach effectively and engage the student, your an excuse maker.  Kids in Africa who have virtually nothing can learn.  That is because they have enthusiastic teachers who care, not a bunch of leaches who think because they have a degree they can teach..   We have too many leaches in education, get rid of the crap and hire staff that can perform. They need to be constantly under scrutiny and be measured, so we know what we are paying for.

      The call needs to go out “Get rid of leaches and replace them with teachers”…..   You need to look for a new career my friend…..

      • Kosh103

        LMAO  I love it when people like you tell me why I am such a bad person.

        Everytime one of you self appointed experts does that, I feel so much better about how I do my job.

      • Pukakidon

        Kosh you childish text language using leach,  you are not the only one who teaches, but you are probably one of many arsewipes I have encountered in my teaching career who spout on about how much work they do after hours and blame the student for poor results.

        I have met many like you who are afraid to be measured, and there is a very good reason for this, they know they would be found out how useless they are.   Yes NZ is quite highly rated in the educational ratings world wide, you are happy to quote these statistics but you yourself are afraid to be measured .   The students deserve better and we need to rid our selves of the leaches who do not contribute effectively.    I am not afraid to stand by my results but I see you are.   I wonder why…..  Sorry no I dont, I know very well why!!!

        You think your the only one who works in the weekends marking, creating assessments and improving lesson plans, it is no big deal it is part of the job and we get plenty of time off in lieu.

      • Euan Rt

        Welcome aboard Pukakidon!

  • thor42

    If “teachers” like kosh actually **did their jobs** instead of whining all the time, then the results would take care of themselves and they would be falling over themselves to show them off. The fact that they are not speaks volumes.   

    • Kosh103

      Given we are one of the best performing systems in the world, you would be better to keep your ill informed thoughts to yourself lest you make a bigger arse of yourself.

      • Dion

        I’ve asked you on at least four occasions in various discussions for a link to back that up.

        One has not been forthcoming.

      • Euan Rt

        Dion, you have to wonder how our education system can be compared with others around the world when we can’t even compare one NZ school with another down the road.

      • Kosh103

        Well Dion thats the first request I have seen. And to it I say, do you not read the news or watch telly?

    • Kosh103

      Oh and as an aside dumbarse, it is a fantasic sunny day up here. The sort of day where eveyone is outside enjoying it.

      Im in my office at home, working. Writing up papers, sorting through test results, creating ability groups to best serve the needs of struggling kids.

      What are you doing on this lovely fine day?

      • Dion

        You must be an exceptional multi tasker then because you’re holding your own in this debate pretty well.

      • Kosh103

        I am rather good at multitasking. Eating lunch, watching Glee and commenting on here all at the same time at the moment.

  • politically unstable

    I have in the past relied on word of mouth comparisons when deciding what school my son should attend. A website that can provide a more informed feedback on schools would be mightily handy.  I do not understand why education should be protected from any sort of performance rankings.

    • Kosh103

      Because such systems are simplistic nonsense at best.

      • Symgardiner

        But the problem Kosh is that you haven’t even had a look at this web site. You pre-judge it. You are following the propaganda of the PPTA and NZEI.
        And why is it that people assume that things are complex and can’t be represented simply? My observation is that this occurs when either the person suggesting things are complex doesn’t understand the issue OR they do understand the issue but don’t want others to because they have some personal gain at stake. I suspect the later in this case.

      • Kosh103

        LMAO I love it when people assume one cannot have a view and not bother to consider what NZEI has said.

        The BEST BEST BEST information you can have when chosing a school is to get off your butt and make visits and ask questions. As opposed to briefly scanning a chart in the paper.

      • politically unstable

         So you are against any form of ranking full stop?? Based on your previoius posts, I have in the past done what you call the right thing, (also visited schools etc). I did not try to make friends with teachers though….I could have a humourous poke at that but will choose not too as it can often be misinterpreted in printed form!!

      • Kosh103

        To be honest I do not see the value of ranking schools agains test scores. There are schools out there (no, I am not going to say where or which ones) that on paper look good, but I would not send a child to that school.

        I know to some people rankings are the most important thing they can imagin when picking a school, but there is more to a school than just how many kids it can get to pass a test.

      • Bunswalla

        Like the simplistic nonsense you offer to parents trying to figure out which school is best for their children? Pop your head in a couple of classrooms? And pray how could you tell if any problems you saw were due to a poor teacher, badly led, or “issues” that the kids brought to school that day?

        That’s right, you can’t – idiot. Or if that’s not enough, make friends with the teachers and ask them? LMFAO, they’re really likely to tell me they’re shite teachers and I’d be better off at another school. What fucking planet do you live on, pal?

        You admit you haven’t seen the charts but have pronounced them as simplistic nonsense at best. Your arrogance is breathtaking, yet strangely unsurprising.

        I’ll take my chances using informed facts, figures, statistics and a narrative, as well as my own judgement. And thank the flying spaghetti monster that my kids aren’t taught by you. 

      • politically unstable

         Kosh, I do not agree with a lot of what you say often but in this case, I do see some logic in it. Also just because a school has a good “score” does not necessarily mean your own child will find that school a good “fit” for their own learning and development. But there has to be some way to have some sort of background on schools. We cubby hole universities at times as being good for some degrees but not others etc

      • Kosh103

        Buns, it seems you have a bit of an axe to grind. And if you think it is simplistic to actually go to a school and see whats going on as opposed to relying on figures that cannot be trusted, well you would be the idiot.

        But then I suspect you are a bit like a brick wall. Nothings getting through.

  • dutyfree

    here is the USA site I mentioned.

     http://www.greatschools.org

  • Hekia Parata has already indicated that she has no objection to this kind of website

    The Government appears set on publishing primary school performance
    data, criticised by a teacher union as “junk information”.

    Education Minister Hekia Parata yesterday said she would consider
    setting up a website similar to the MySchool resource that operates in
    Australia.

    The Australian example “deals with a number of the concerns that
    have been rumoured” about the risks of league tables, Ms Parata said.

    Comparisons between schools on MySchool were only between
    “statistically similar schools,” giving a fairer picture of performance.

    “I think that parents vest a lot of trust in the principals and
    teachers of the education sector – and so they should – and that trust
    should be returned by letting parents know accurate information about
    what’s happening,” she said.

    Ms Parata said parents should visit the Australian website to see what was possible with the national standards.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/6351597/Primary-results-may-go-online

    Bad luck Kosh, and your NZEI mates. If you thought Hekia Parata was going to be a pushover after Anne Tolley, you’ve made a big mistake; she is mana wahine and will bring transparency and accountability to the education sector.

    • Kosh103

      She only has 3 years, then National is gone and so will NS.

      But to the NZEI comment about it being “junk information” that is bang on.

      • Euan Rt

        Yes but at least aussie and the US parents have the choice to look at the ‘junk’ information, and make up their own minds as to how ‘junk’ it is.

      •  Three years will be plenty for Hekia Parata to bring the NZEI to its knees Kosh. And yes; NZEI would know all about “junk infomation” wouldn’t it; after all, it produces enough!

      • Kosh103

        And euan, NZs system is better than both those you mention.

        Inventory – National have tried to beat NZEI before, and as Tolley has found out, you cant.

      • fifibelle

        Kosh in what measurable ways is our system better than the US or Australia? 

      • Bafacu

        So we can;’ compare schools because of all the variables  but we are able to compare counties scholastic achievement in your mind – because obviously there are no variables involved. Get a grip – or have you already?

  • Symgardiner

    And there you go Kosh… displaying that you are completely sold out to the PPT/NZEI/Labour position… without the ability to be open minded. Just so we get this clear, the NZEI/PPTA/Labour are to “educational experts”. They are a representative body for a declining number of teachers. Nothing more. Nothing less.
    Their opposition to such information provision about schools is because they see it as a threat to their members. And fair enough… it is. 
    But please, don’t give me rubbish about a union being “experts”. And please don’t start on the normal “we care about the children” rubbish. That’s our job as parents.

    The big question you have to ask yourself is… Why are you so afraid of information being available? If it is rubbish info, it will quickly become discredited. If it is useful, parents will use it. What’s the downside?

    See… if you ask simple questions, it all becomes much easier. :-)

    • Kosh103

      Perhaps if more parents did their job then perhaps teachers wouldnt have to do it for them.

      • Symgardiner

        Exactly. So get out of the way and stop battling against parents having the information. Putting impediments and keeping secrets just makes our jobs as parents more difficult.

      • Kosh103

        Im all for parents having the info. As long as the info is VAILD. Not some rubbish table that skips a hell of a lot of important information.

        And as for what makes a parents job hard – not getting off your butts and going to the school and actually talking to your childs teacher on a reg basis if you are that concerned might help you be better informed.

    • Symgardiner

      By the way, that was meant to read “…are not educational experts”. Stupid autocorrect. I’d much rather be red lined. ;-)

  • Mr_Blobby

    Have I logged onto a different site is this Whale oil or Kosh speak.

    • Kosh103

      Just this thread. ;0)

      • Mr_Blobby

        Just saying that if you want to know how people are interested in what you have to say, you should start your own blog. Thought so, not many if any.

      • Kosh103

        I am commenting on a thread of intrest. If you dont like it, there is every other thread from today where I have posted nothing.

  • thor42

    I’m sure that kosh reckons that he and his school do a great job. 
    So, kosh – what does the ERO say about your school?
    You can’t say that the ERO is a “National thing” either – it was introiduced under Labour in 1989.
    So – put up or shut up. Coward.

    • Granny

      Google Kokopu Primary ERO

      • thor42

        Thanks, Granny. 
        Interesting report. What caught my eye is this –
        “The acting and deputy principals and teachers are working to implement The New Zealand Curriculum and National Standards. The two senior leaders
        have participated in several professional development workshops on implementing the
        National Standards and have shared the information gained with staff.”
        So – looks like all of kosh’s grandstanding on National Standards is pretty much “hot air”.
        The school is going with the flow and bringing them in.  

      • Kosh103

        swing and a miss.

      • Hollyfield

        Well, Thor, my eye landed on something completely different:

        “ERO will carry out another review within one-to-two years.”

        With that in mind, check out this paragraph from ERO’s website:

        “Most early childhood services, ngā kōhanga reo, schools and kura kaupapa
        Māori are reviewed on average once every three years. Reviews are
        undertaken more frequently (in one to two years) where the performance
        of a school or kura kaupapa Māori is poor and there are risks to the
        education and safety of the students. ERO may schedule a review in
        four-to-five years in schools or kura kaupapa Māori that have a stable
        ERO reporting history and demonstrate competence in using self review to
        improve the teaching and learning of students.”

  • jay cee

    ok so you live in waitakere and the school thats better than the local one is in papakura. are you going to send your child all that way everyday?you may be given the choice but not the answer.

    • Euan Rt

      no but you might consider moving to Papakura, just as plenty parents move into good school zones.

      • jay cee

        yeah sure everyone can afford to up stakes and move for the sake of their childrens education eh? not.

  • Symgardiner

    Kosh… I can’t believe you just said it! “As long as the info is VALID.”. 
    And who pray tell determines whether information is “valid”? You?
    Have you any idea how patronizing having someone say they will determine what is “valid” information for me to consume is? 

    This is the very reason why blogs and alternative media are killing at the moment. Which ironically you are implicitly endorsing by your very presence.

    • Kosh103

      Yes, people who are actually in education can provide vaild and informative facts. Why is it people such as yourself are willing to listen to those with ZERO background in education, never been in a class etc… and accept what they say as fact. Yet the very people who teach your kids, know how your kids learn, what they say should be considered lies. Just think about that.

      • Euan Rt

        Kosh any respect for your opinion I may have had is now gone with this post. It is precisely information from teachers that we require in National Standards. Your arrogance shown here is why parents have little trust in what teachers tell us. Too much potential for coverup tactics, I want the opportunity to decide for myself what is junk info and not have you tell me what is or is not junk.

      • Bunswalla

        “Never been in a class”? Did you really just write that anyone with a dissenting view from you i.e. the 99% has “never been in a class”?

        Ri-i-i-ght, got it now. Life must be fun in your alternate universe, kosh.

      • Kosh103

        Oh buns, you seem to have a reading comp problem.

      • Symgardiner

        You fully lost 80% of the voting population with that comment. It is a common, yet false assertion that to understand something you actually have to do it. And if “educational experts” “can provide valid and informative facts” why haven’t they? Instead saying you should pop your head into a school, watch a couple of classes etc. 
        By the way, the people such as myself, actually listen to real educational experts. Those who publish in academia. Those who run school systems many times bigger than New Zealand’s. You know… those people who point out that teacher quality is the key driver to kids doing well. Not union propaganda that says the quantity of teachers is key, regardless of the low standard of teacher training and requirements.

  • Guest

    @ Kosh “given that we are one of the best performing systems in the world” Don’t tell lies! NZ’s education system is about average compared to other OECD countries. Assuming that the purpose of education is to produce adults who have the literacy and numeracy require to fully participate in a knowledge based society we sit right in the middle of the OECD – hardly “the best performing” by any stretch of the imagination. Unlike the data on primary schools, this information is freely available through The Ministry of Education’s educationcounts website.

    • Kosh103

      I suggest tou go look at our ranking again, We are up near the top. Please dont bother with your right wing lies with me. I dont swallow them.

      • thor42

        Where is the ERO report for your school, kosh?
        I’m sure you will be proud to show it off, so I’m sure you’ll have no hesitation in pointing us to it. 

      • Guest

        Kosh – how dare you assume i’m ‘right wing’ because I have provided valid peer reviewed information that corrects your misinformed view that NZ has ‘one of the best performing systems in the world’. For the record, I’m an educator who has spent 18 years working in education, mostly in ‘second chance’ education with adults who have been failed by our (in your words, ‘best performing’) education system.

      • Bunswalla

        So rankings are good, if they show a result you like, but bad when they don’t? Why are the OECD rankings any less problematic due to incomplete information, missing key points, not counting kids with “issues” etc, than national rankings?

        You’ve been hoist by your own petard so many times today you’re nothing but a widely-dispersed collection of bits.

        If I were you I’d go outside and enjoy the nice wether, you’re pushing shit uphill here, comrade.

      • Guest

        And quite frankly I’m appalled that any educator (as you claim to be) would consider adult literacy and numeracy to be ‘right wing lies’. The data speaks for itself – we’re doing a pretty average job of producing adults who are literate and numerate.

      • Kosh103

        @ Buns: The OECD rankings take into account the progress of all children within a country to get an average. That how it is not a problem.

        When you put a school in South Auckland and one in Epsom and say the one in Epsom is better because of test scores alone – thats where you have problems.

        I will not be surprised if you cannot see that and claim Im up the flag pole again.

      • Kosh103

        Guest, we are doing well when compared to other countries. But answer me this, when do we ask the students to take responsablity for their learning.

        Ever heard of taking a horse to water but lacking the ability to force it to drink. Thats the problem many teachers in HS face, and then these people in later life go oh woe is me, the system failed me.

      • Euan Rt

        Kosh, have you ever thought that it is a pretty dumb idea to require a horse that isn’t thirsty to drink anyway. I suggest you leave the horse in the barn and let it drink when it wants.

      • Kosh103

        LMAO – so just let kids learn whenever they want and whatever they want.

        Ahhhhhh theres a non-educator pie in the sky fluffy bullshit idea.

  • thor42

    Kosh – can you please explain one thing for me?  
    Back in the early 90s (IIRC), California dropped phonics reading and adopted New Zealand’s “whole language” approach to teaching reading. This proved to be a disaster – their scores in reading tests nosedived to be the worst in the US.
    They have now realised their mistake and have gone back to using phonics.
    So – given that New Zealand is basically the home of the failed “whole language” method (Dame Marie Clay and all that), how can it be said that our schools are the best in the world when they use such a poor methodology?  

    • Kosh103

      These days it is a mixed approach. Whole and phonics. Its called learning from past mistakes. It is called developing a better understanding of how kids learn and then applying it. Oh and for the record, when whole language was the in thing here, most teachers still taught phonics.

      And to call it a failed approach is a rather simplistic view and understanding.

      • thor42

         “when whole language was the in thing here, most teachers still taught phonics.”
        Ah…. thank goodness for that! 

      • Kosh103

        Thor, I am a supporter of whatever works for the kid. If they find phonics works then thats the road we take. If they are a whole word kinda kid, thats the road we take. You tinker things to suit the learning styles involved.

        The best bet is to cover the work in a number of ways in order to cater to all the needs within an ability group.

    • Bunswalla

      It’s a mystery how, but not why. It absolves teachers and schools from their responsibility to meet literacy targets (such as those in NS, which they’re now shitting themselves over). Students can write any old shite that they want, with no attention given to spelling, grammar, punctuation, sentence structure or logic – as long as what is written “can be understood” then everyone gets a lollipop, and now it’s time for a break so let’s all go and play sport and not keep the score.

      • thor42

        Yep, I know what you mean….. :) 
        I’ll talk about the “teaching of reading” side anyway (phonics in particular). Fortunately, it now seems that the value of phonics is really hitting home.
        Doris Ferry did a wonderful job with her phonics courses, and she will be forever remembered for her great work.  ( I don’t know if she got an Order of New Zealand honour, but if not, she should have.)  

        Kosh – if you’re a supporter of phonics, then all else is forgiven…… :)

      • Kosh103

        Oh my, you seem to be a tad clueless if that is what you think. Been listening to National lies have you?

    • ConwayCaptain

      Thor

      One of the problems that Foreign Language teachers have here in NZ is that when they get a class of 3rd formers starting to learn a Lang is that they do not have a grasp of grammar.  The engineroom of a language.  Why? Because they are not taught English Grammar in the Primary and Intermediate schools.

      This is one of the reasons why Foreign Languages are the poor relation in NZ Schools.  Students go in at 3rd form and find it HARD.  Why beacuse they have no idea of the basic rules of a language.

      I was taught French by a Polish Emigre teacher and I can still see her now and smell her perfume and that was 50+ years ago.

      Because of my basic grasp of French when I was the cargo officer loading in a Spanish speaking port, if they spoke slowly or wrote it down, I had a damn good idea what they were on about.

  • Guest

    The Pisa data (which I assume Kosh is referring to when he states that NZ is “near the top” of the rankings) does not factor in that the majority of children in other countries in the OECD start school much later than the children in NZ, so a comparison ranking NZ 15 year olds against 15 year olds in other countries ( who have had 1 – 3 years less education) isn’t particularly valid… And yet it is wildly popular with the NZEI as it ‘proves’ what a good education system we have.

  • Steve (North Shore)

    The teachers job is to teach children to be teachers, teach children solidarity, and teach children to vote Labour after they have been programed.

    Changing any form of that will break the system.

    Right Kosh103?

    • Kosh103

      LMAO – talking out of your arse I see.

  • Symgardiner

    Golly Kosh… you’ve taken a bit of a drubbing here today (bad choice of topic to try to defend). When you have recovered, come back and play some more. We’ll be waiting!

    • Kosh103

      What I took was an attack from people who know next to nothing about education and how kids learn, but think that they can tell those that do how to do their job.

      They should all go ask John Key for a job.

  • Bunswalla

    Golly Kosh – love it!

  • Bunswalla

    No surprise he’s had it jammed up his arse – typical non-arguments from someone bankrupt of ideas, cherry-picking whatever rankings suits his cause and ignoring the vast majority that don’t. Taken a proper spanking from another teacher for refusing to be measured, and crying foul that he can’t go out on a sunny day because he has to mark.

    We know the real reason you’re at home – you have no mates you poor bastard.

    • Kosh103

      Oh Buns your comments along with others demonstrate a distorted view of education and, in the best style of a National Govt, are worthless to children and their learning.

      Also I see you need reading recovery, as I have never said I am opposed to measuring at all. I am opposed to BAD measuring, like National Stds and the bullshit tables that will come out of them.

      I suggest (even though I know you wont) is you run back to the 1800s and live there. Where your ideas belong.

      • Bunswalla

        “I suggest is you run back to the 1800s…” Fuck me, you have a nerve criticising reading comprehension when you dish up rubbish like that.

        1. You need grammar lessons
        2. There’s no such thing as time travel.

        We all know what measuring you’re against. You’re against any objective measuring of your performance, and that of your comrades. We understand why you’re against it, and we’re even prepared to consider rational arguments – but you haven’t presented any. You just pronounce measurements as BAD unless they support your view. You can’t have it both ways comrade.

  • jay cee

    actually i thought kosh did quite well for himself and the education system. what came through was some one who has to cop the flak from parents who can’t accept that their children aren’t geniuses. as i said in another post if the child is not encouraged in the home they will not do well  at school.the fact of the matter is the world is changing all the time so what was relevant in my day is so much ancient history given that technology has taken over the way we live. how many parents with teenage children have asked them to help set up their pcs and cellphones for instance. so whos the ignoramus there then? hence what the government is trying to implement is rather backward looking to the “good ol days” that don’t exist anymore.as an example my 17yr old grandchild is taking subjects that i can only guess at bar english. a cousin of mime has one child who is a doctor and her other children are tradesmen.all had the same educational advantages and home environment. so do we blame the schools and teachers for those discrepancies?

    • Kosh103

      Any educational discrepancies and the above fools will always blame teachers. It is the easiest thing for them. Esp considering most of them are not in education.

      • Bunswalla

        What, teachers? I know, most of them are in the business of political lobbying, obstructing the business of learning, avoiding anything that would expose them as poor employees, and sacrificing the education of 100s of 1,000s of children on the altar of their political agendas. But that’s just my opinion.

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