Doing something right

John Key has annoyed the PSA:

Prime Minister John Key has refused a request by the Public Service Association for an urgent meeting to discuss his plans for the state sector.

Earlier this month Mr Key signalled more mergers and job losses as the Government continues its goal of slashing $1billion from the public service.

The Government is looking at how technology such as smart phones can be used to replace over-the-counter contact and how savings can be made through further sharing of back-office functions such as human resources.

Mr Key plans to outline the Government’s proposals in a speech next month and has warned he will “make no apology” for trying to make the state sector more efficient.

The PSA sent Mr Key a letter last week asking to discuss urgently changes to the public service.

National secretary Brenda Pilott said the PSA had been told Mr Key could not meet the union due to time pressures and referred it to new State Services Minister Jonathan Coleman.

“We are disappointed he is not prepared to meet with us.

“This is a strategy the prime minister has fronted up on … but he is not able to make the time to brief one of the key stakeholders about it,” Ms Pilott said.

The PSA are the enemy. So pissing them off is a good move.


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  • nzd.gbp

    The only URGENT meetings one attends when summoned in this way, is with PAYING clients. These characters aren’t clients. They are OVERHEADS. Sorry, I’ll get to you if I have time in between doing MY job.

  • Mark

    Now I guess if the PSA was a key stakeholder, and there was any likelihood of them supporting or helping with the changes if they were consulted, time would be made to discuss with them. At the end if the PM doesn’t want to speak with you it’s either because you are irrelevant to the process or just an obstacle.

  • Kthxbai

    The appropriate person for them to see is the relevant minister, not the PM.

    • John Key can only look at the overall picture, he can not look at the details. 

  • Allan

    Lets  hope the Teachers Union is next on the hit list.

    • peterwn

      The Education Minister traditionally accepts invitations to speak at PPTA and NZEI annual conferences. Delegates have been instructed to listen to National ministers with stony silence, meaning that the session seems to be an ordeal for all involved. Presumably the Minister attends only to avoid being foul-mouthed for not attending.

      • Kosh103

        Having been at events where a Minster is there, and then the following year not, I can tell you that you are very wrong in your assessment.

      • peterwn

        Kosh103 – I am unaware of any occasion where the Education Minister has not addressed the PPTA and NZEI conferences. However it would be interesting to know the recent occasions where the Minister has not attended. I know that a National minister received the ‘cold silence’ on at least one occasion, and there were no doubt other occasions where the reception was less than cordial.

      • Euan Rt

        oh dear kosh, you haven’t been caught telling porkies have you?

      • Kosh103

        peterwn, you are aware that PPTA and NZEI conferences are not the only educational conferences that happen in a year.

      • Kosh103

        No euan I am correct. peterwn is just not as clever as he thinks he is.

      • Sarrs

        Kosh – peterwn is only talking about PPTA and NZEI conferences. You are talking about other events. They are different things so there is no reason to insult peterwn’s intelligence. Perhaps you could respond to the points he made instead of insulting him. 

  • Blokeintakapuna

    Why don’t the PSA front up to the current National government and say something like “We know the Public sector has been over-bloated with serfs pandering to the previous Labour government in return for more funds and staff so we can do sweet F.A. – and it’s about time we actually were made accountable for our spending and we know we need to increase productivity”

    Then they might get some interest – otherwise, why would any Minister want to attend a meeting to be bitched at by bleeting socialists that don’t want to be held accountable!

  • Protecting jobs is a noble thing, but protecting jobs just for the sake of protecting jobs is not.

    I support an efficient public service simply keeping a job for the sake of it is not a good idea.

    Thank god the Unions do not rule NZ like they used to. 

  • Phar Lap

    Let us not forget Clark and Cullen used the tactic of “employing “ten thousand plus extra public servants,to do what.The fat cotroller in WELLINGTON CENTRAL.Robertson got the Public servants votes as planned by the terrible duo.Seems when we apply for a passport,birth, death certificates etc etc.We have to pay for them, over and above public servants wages.If that type of service was costed out correctly ,the nation would be up in arms for such gouging.Surely private enterprise could give the same services for half the price,and then some.

    • John Q Public

      Good point. In 2006 (?) passports doubled to $150 and halved in validity to 5 years, a 400% increase. Gouge indeed.

  • ConwayCaptain

    Key has the same problem that Cameron has.  A bloated public service.

    With the destruction of the shipyards on the NE Coast the Labour Govt moved a whole raft of services into this and other areas and now over 50% of the work forces in some of these areas is on the govt payroll.

    Along with QUANGOS and NGOs.

    In welly the productive sector closed.  The factories in the Hutt and the HOs of major busionesses moved from welly to Akl.  So we now have the same problem with welly.  A HUGE unproductive sector living off the public tit.  Govt Depts, Law Firms, “Human Resource” people who bought you the DSE C Exec with his made up CV etc etc.

  • peterwn

    I am sure the PSA does not uphold the traditions or values of the Northern Club (or Wellington Club etc). Yet one gets the impression that being a diplomat is like being a member of the Northern Club at the long suffering taxpayers’ expense. The PSA however seems to be on the side of the diplomats.

    • Gazzaw

      Precisely Peter. One only had to read the posts here from a couple of MFAT staffers earlier this week. In total denial that overseas postings represented one of the last great gravy train opportunities in the Public Service. They haven’t given up despite the cuts being detailed today. Goff has been going on about distressed Kiwi travellers only getting a pre-recorded reply if the cuts go ahead. Sounds a bit like the Labour Party office in Mt Roskill.

      • peterwn

        NZ already contracts with other embassies (generally UK embassies) to provide consular services where NZ is not represented (eg Morocco) and could extend this. Also travel insurance companies have an international infrastructure for assisting policy holders in need. The NZ Government can contract out most consular services (including replacing lost/stolen travel documents) to such an organisation. The only essential consular services are travel document replacement and the very rare cases where ‘sovereign state’ assistance is required. Unfortunately the long suffering taxpayer has to meet the consular assistance costs for those without travel insurance,  those who think other countries’ laws are a joke or those who are just plain idiots.

  • Kosh103

    Typical Key. Screw over workers, but too gutless to face them.

    • Euan Rt

      bad day kosh? oh no that’s right you are always like this.

      • Kosh103

        Yep, always correct. Thats me.

    • peterwn

      Would Helen Clark have responded to a PSA request for an urgent meeting with the PSA if some proposed Labour policy got up PSA’s nose.

      • Euan Rt

        Wasn’t she spokesperson for the PSA?

    • SalaciousTCrumb

      Pull the other one Kosh. Use that sort of commie diatribe at the Standard.
      Anyone with a modicum of common sense would accept the public service has become bloated, but then beuracracy is the child of socialism, isn’t it?

      • Kosh103

        Key is anti worker rights, so he has no intrest in talking to them.

  • If the PSA wants to save the jobs then they should go in constructively and propose ways of saving the jobs and bringing the efficiencies. Alternatively they need to prove the Govt can not survive without these jobs (short term gain for long term pain).

    Simply going to war with the Government will not result in any jobs saved and simply reduces the trust between the employee and employer. 

  • You certainly shouldn’t go to a meeting where they just want to attack you. You won’t get a chance to put your case, and the Union is simply not going to recognise that the taxpayer doesn’t want to fund so many of them. It’s just a waste of time for a politician to do so. 

    John Key knows when his time is being wasted – remember the press question walk out after the Federated Farmers meeting during the election campaign? You don’t want to listen to me – I don’t want to be attacked by you: Good bye.

    • Kosh103

      If Key knew when his time was being wasted he would stop going to Waitangi.

      The truth is Key is so anti union he wont even try to talk to them. Disgusting attitude from this anti woker rights PM.

      • peterwn

        Total bullshit. If John Key was that anti-worker rights, he would have completely about-faced the Employment Relationa Act in 2009. He had the numbers and could easily have done it. He did not do so to the dismay of some of his key supporters. Now he could be sorely tempted if the Auckland Ports union continues to stick its head up its arse.

      • Kosh103

        Key is anti worker rights, but he also loves power. He goes just far enough to show his true colours, but not too far as to loose swing voters.

      • SalaciousTCrumb

        Kosh, you repeatedly attempt to start a meme of “Key – anti union/worker”. Sorry; meme FAIL.

        Given Key has more experience of being a “worker” than most of the front benches of the left it doesn’t fly.

      • Kosh103

        Crumb – you can deny it as much as you like, but the laws he has past speaks louder than your squealing.

      • Euan Rt

        What is it you teach Kosh? Hopefully not english. Laws past? Laws speaks?

  • Mully

    “urgent meeting” “urgent discussion”

    How urgent does “pack your shit and fuck off, leeches” need to be?

  • ConwayCaptain

    Can you tell me that when there is a transport accident, marine for example:

    We get the Marine Investigation people, the Transport investigation people and sometime the police all investigating the same incident and this can also appy to air and land as well/