Whale’s Budgeting Tips for the Poor, Ctd

This is getting fun…finding ways for the poor to save money rather than the solutions proposed by useful idiots who think that the answer to poverty is gifting them more money.

Poverty is a disease that can, in this country be eliminated through hard work.

Let me tell you a couple of stories to explain. The first will be about my father.

Many on the left like attack me by attacking my father. Let me tell you the short version of his story shall I.

My dad had to grow up real fast. His family lived in a state house in Mt Roskill. At age 14 his father quit the family…I know little about his contributions to the family before that day but I know all about what he did. You see this tough guy…who is now dead…quit the family and walked out on my dad, his younger brother and sister and their mother. For good measure he took all the furniture from the house and for some strange reason thought a note stuck in some false teeth on the kitchen bench would be funny.

My father and his family were now destitute in an era when divorce placed a stigma on the family and when there was no such thing as welfare. At age 15 my father made a decision to get a job in a butcher’s shop. Instead of wages he took meat for pay so that his family could eat. At age 15 he was providing for his family in a way that his father never had.

Then his Mother hooked up with another fellow. Who detested the way that Dad provided for the family and so made the call that either my dad leave or he left. My father’s mother chose her new man and my father had to leave to live with his grandmother and grandfather. His grandfather Harry had only one leg, having lost it at Gallipoli, but he still worked, as did his grandmother. For my father his real parents in deeds rather than genetics were his grandparents.

then when my dad was old enough to go the seventh form, a requirement in those days to attend university, rather than the free for all these days they were faced with a choice. Seventh form attendance in those days at Mt Roskill Grammar required the parents to pay for the years tuition. His parents decided that rather than further his education he could actually leave school and get a job. Once again when he needed the support of his parent he was yet again abandoned by them. Now that he was unable to attend university he instead went tech and obtained his accountancy qualifications and became a Chartered Accountant.

Every time I see some socialist fuck-head write that my father was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and that for some reason unrelated to the facts that I was too I get really fucked off. Now that there are more people than ever before reading my site I can now tell the truth and know that it will stick. My Dad had every excuse known to modern socialists to be a dropkick and continue the cycle but he decided in strength of character and hard work. He decided to be a much better father than the dropkick loser he had to endure.

This is the beauty of New Zealand…where a state house kid, from a broken family, living on the bones of his arse could rise to become the President of a major political party. Where he could travel the world and meet the President of the United States, become personal friends with the Prime Minister of Australia and count many world leaders as confidantes and friends.

I am proud of my Dad as his upbringing was one I never had and one he made sure I never would.

 


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  • Anonymous

    Well Said Cam! A difficult childhood is no excuse for what we do with our lives. There are many good people who come from difficult circumstances and live good, honorable and productive lives. 

  • Petal

    Go Hard or Go Home eh?  Well done that man.  Hand him a DB.

  • Paul

    Fucking beautiful Cam !!

  • Anonymous

    Insightful story Cam and so typical of that generation. My parents were the same; never a thought of not working and like your father, were denied advanced educational opportunities through circumstance.
    There is an attitude shift required in this country and soon.

    • Kim Arnold

      same in my family…..totally agree

  • Guest

    Like.

  • Gazzmaniac

    What exactly do you do for a job Cam?

    • Anonymous

       Hmmm see the website you just posted on? See the advertising links at the top? At a guess I would say, maybe a commercial venture? But just a guess…

      • Gazzmaniac

        I don’t imagine that there would be a full time income in blogging in New Zealand.  At best it would be a hobby enterprise, but hey I might be wrong.

      • Michael

        Cam fell ill because of his work. He insured for this risk but lost his cover under dubious circumstances. This is where welfare steps in NZ, to provide the basic needs.

        It shouldn’t provide a career path for young women by having babies, or for school dropouts that don’t try to make themselves employable. Or for that matter free income for millionaires because they are 65 or older.

        Cam’s kids are doing well at school and don’t go hungry. But then he doesn’t spend his income down at the pub or at the TAB

    • Elaycee

      Gazzmaniac – do you try particularly hard to be a moron, or does it just come naturally? 

      Given your comments, I suspect it is the latter. 

      • Gazzmaniac

        I’m not being a moron, I am asking a genuine question.  I notice that Cameron hasn’t answered the question yet.

    • Like that is any of your business. Get fucked. What do you do for a job  huh?

      Before you say anything else, I am not in receipt of any benefit, not even Working for families….I certainly don;t get a cent from my father, or a family trust or any other conspiracy, tory hating fucked in the head ideas that you might have…

      • Anonymous

        Much respect WO. No one needs to know what you do for a living (besides running NZ’s most read blog)

      • Gazzmaniac

        Cameron – I was asking to see whether you were being hypocrytical. Considering that you are not getting a benefit and you are clearly standing on your own two feet without outside help it seems that you are not.  I won’t press any further, and I’ll take your word on that.

        It is in the public interest for people to know what you do, since you are a public figure.  People make judgements about the lifestyle choices of public figures (even though they probably shouldn’t), and without all the facts in front of them they will make assumptions and jump to the wrong conclusion.  I would hate for the general public to think ill of you since they don’t have all the facts in front of them.  People know that David Farrar runs Curia Research and that they do polling for National, they know about that conflict of interest and because of that they can make a decision on what they think about what he says.

        What makes you think I have “tory hating fucked in the head ideas?”  How do you know whether or not I “hate tories.”  I don’t particularly hate anyone, but I have a genuine dislike for the current Labour party.  I think they are out of touch.

        I am a geologist. I have a job and I have just bought a house.  I also live in Queensland – I moved here in 2007, since the job prospects in the mineral industry are a lot better here than in New Zealand.  I don’t have the resources to not have work, but one day I intend to.

  • kehua

    You can rightfully be proud of each other.

    • phronesis

      Best comment here.

  • maninblack

    great story- and much more typical of that generation. Now so many hard done by people just roll over and moan and look for handouts. Do you think if they didnt have access to walfare- that this would make them go hard, rather than quiting and heading down the walfare track? (then having loads of time on there hands, so drink, drugs, crime come into play)
    Well done to your father – legend.

  • Anonymous

    By and large Labourites/Leftists/Socialists/Greenies are such inconsequential, unsuccessful beings, they cannot contemplate the fact of others’ achievement or personal success.  Those possessed of such cowardly inner cores can only explain such phenomena in terms they themselves can understand and if that means doctoring the truth to fit their minimalist concepts, their safe little miserable world is strengthened and bolstered.

    Not so long ago, such as Cam’s dad’s achievements would have been lauded and upheld by the lesser endowed as something to emulate and aspire to.  Today’s lazy gutter crawlers in leftist politics sustain their own inadequacies only by dreaming up answers unrelated to the facts so that thereby they can “excuse” themselves and achieve a greater sense of entitlement.

    Contemptible people.

  • bb

    thanks for sharing. puzzles of the w.o. come together slowly but surely.

  • Spam

    Great story.

    For me, my parents were always supportive.  They encouraged my siblings and I to do our best, attended our school functions and sports events whenever they could.  They were always proud of us, and we tried hard not to disappoint them.  I learned the value of hard work from my father who worked ~10 hours a day every (including weekends).  The most amazing thing?  I didn’t actually realise we were poor until well into my teens.  And even then we always had enough to be happy. 

  • Petal

    My boys (5 and 8) love their gadgets, but if you take them to a large pile of stones and gravel (20m+) on the side of a stream (been dredged after rains) they’ll easily spend an hour climbing up and sliding down.  Or they’ll find a stick and start poking around the stream, building dams, etc.  It’s toys that box in their imagination.  It is a complete lack of toys that brings out their ability to have a great time with nothing but what lies around in front of them.  Just let them get wet and dirty – encourage it – let them rip their clothes – only $5 for a new Tee – and you will have trouble getting them back home.

    Budget Tip:  Befriend a parent/couple of children 2 years older than yours.  Result?  Free ongoing 2nd hand clothes supply.  

    • Spanishbride

       I relate Petal. Both our teens are tech addicts BUT when we take them to the beach they have no difficulty amusing themselves for hours and don’t want to leave.

      • jonno1

        Totally agree, just got home from a day at Eastern Beach with 8 grandchildren (and their parents, fortunately!). Great time had by all with sand, shells, sticks etc, even as the tide went out and out (and out). Mind you, I’ve over sandcastles. Now the steaks are on the barbie and the wine bottles are open… Last night it was Bucklands Beach with 2 of the garandkids (although a bit earlier than Cam’s wonderful photos).

  • Peter Wilson

    I suspect there are a lot of center-right/National party voters with similar stories. And this is really where the right is coming from. Whatever life dishes you up, make the most of it, and don’t wait for anyone else to help you, or blame anyone for your plight.

    • Hakimofphut

      Phil Goffs story  ( in Mt Roskill too) has many similarities- left home at 16.  Worked and put himself through university. Your point  is ?

      • Anonymous

        Isn’t his point obvious?
        Hard work can overcome a less-than-ideal background and upbringing.

      • And that was the last time Phil Goff worked, he then arranged to spend a lifetime sucking from the public teat. He certainly has never gone hungry while making up wages for his staff…or paid a cent in provisional ta, or paid PAYE for his employee…simply because he has had a lifetime of troughing.

  • Greg M

    Awesome. A lot of us on the right seem to have similar backgrounds, three generations of hard work to get ahead, while the lot on the left seem to have three generations of welfare dependancy and inbred entitlement syndrome.
    Thanks for the heads up WO.

  • I Mackay

    A great story well told. But Cam are you a great disappointment to your  hard working father?

    • Spanishbride

      Do you live for your parents approval I Mackay? Despite the fact that you are a grown up do you need them to approve your choices and achievements in life? I suspect that you are still dependent on them for your self esteem, otherwise why else would you ask such a nasty question? I remember a gentleman who at 54 was still seeking his Dad’s approval. His achievements were many in the academic world but his father only respected hands on jobs such as mechanics and did not ‘ get ‘ his son. Did the father’s inability to understand, respect or appreciate his son’s achievements in life make them any less? The answer is no. My children are different to me but I love them for who they are and will always be there for them. Your question shows a nasty vindictive side of your personality. It also shows that you do not know anything about Wos life, achievements or work ethic. I feel sorry for your children if you have any. If they do not do things your way you are going to reject them or at least kick them in the self esteem with your arrogant disapproval. Parents like that make me sick to my stomach.

    • Gazzaw

      I would suggest not as a great a disappointment to his father as you are a disappointment to your children if they have to put up with such cynicism on a regular basis.

    • Dion

      That’s the caring left for you.

  • Euan Rt

    Yes, thanks for sharing Cam.
    I wonder if the world war and the great depression factored in the drive that our parents and grandparents have/had? I wonder if a real threat requiring conscription and active service might buck up the idleness and complacency and entitlement, that many in todays’ generation experience. A bit drastic I know, but I am at a loss of how else to change the lazy work ethic of the ‘underclass’ – a term that has come to mean that they are victims who are not responsible for themselves.

  • A-random-reader

    Whaleoil said: “Poverty is a disease that can, in this country be eliminated through hard work.”

    I guess that would explain why you are poor…

    • Euan Rt

      In NZ, poverty is a mindset – not a dollar value. We do not have real poverty in NZ. Whale is far from poor you arrogant idiot.

      • Anonymous

        I completely agree, Euan! 
        We only have faux-poverty, and it is ***ALWAYS*** – without exception – caused by the **poor people themselves**.
        Laziness. Poor educational achievement. Having too many children. Spending on booze, smokes, gambling, Sky TV. Tithing to their church.

        See what I mean? If you have money to spend on booze and smokes, then BY DEFINITION, you cannot be in so-called “poverty”. Being able to buy those things means that you have money to spare.

    • If Cam/Whaleoil is poor, at least he isn’t complaining about it. 

      If he isn’t making the most of New Zealand’s opportunities for self improvement, at least he isn’t blaming those who are, for his position.

      Just because one is poor [in relative terms], it does not follow that they are “trapped” in “poverty”. 

    • Hakimofphut

      That is the real problem these days the working poor. And they still have extra jobs but cant make  ends meet.
      All a bit rich  coming from people who had well of parents  to help…
      the first car…
      Some extra for a the mortgage downpayment…

  • Hakimofphut

    The bit  about the 7th Form ( was called 6A at the time) at Mt Roskill and paying for the years tuition  doesnt quite add up.  University entrance was done at the 6th form and  some did go on to university from that point. 
    What did happen is that university did require fees and the point of doing 6A/7th form was to sit Bursary/Scholarship and thus get most of the university fees paid.

    • jonno1

      Yes that’s my recollection too Hakim. UE was at 6th form level, often “accredited”, but 6A or Upper Sixth allowed students to sit exams for an A or B bursary or a Scholarship, each of which had monetary value. I don’t recall the details but it could include fees, an allowance, and accommodation costs where applicable (ie for residential courses). Those were the days!

  • ConwayCaptain

    When I worked for the Shipping Corp there were about 20-25 Masters at one time.  About 25% came “up through the hawse pipe” in other words started as Seamen.

    The pass mark for the professional exams was an av of 70% in 6 papers + an hr + sitting in front of an examiner for your orals and 90% pass mark for signals.

    I also sailed with a number of seamen who had left school at 14 or so but were very well “self educated” and were v intelligent men. 

    • Mark

      Heh, “seamen”. Giggetty.

  • phronesis

    An inspiring story for those who lean to the right. For those who lean to the left it is meaningless because in their view anyone capable of achieving such success was not in need of the Govt’s (and thus the lefts) help anyway. The constituency of the left is not the poor so much as the retarded. It is those who “cannot” help themselves. This is the great political divide between those who believe stories such as Cam’s Dad are applicable to all of us and those who believe that generations of benefit dependence are as good as it gets.

    • Hakimofphut

      Whats left out is the State did put in a helping hand ( State house , could be others) like what happened with Key.
      In those days of course it was economic policy from both parties that there was full employment, that made all the difference if you left school with no qualifications,  jobs were easy to get .
      So here we have two examples of State assistance – housing and promoting full employment ( tariffs, protectionism, import licenses).

      This story would have been very different today

      • Anonymous

        Hakim – I don’t think the story would be terribly different except for the fact that WO’s Dad would have finished school and then gone on to University. I hope he doesn’t mind me saying that his Dad and his brothers and sisters were SOCKs – regardless of the era, that is a difficult situation for a child to be in. So the external circumstances might be different (access to different forms of welfare and support) but the internal circumstances remain the same (break down of core family, introduction of new partner etc)

        Maybe the pertinent question would be, how different would this story have been if the father didn’t leave….and you know what? Questions like that are pointless and painful and not worth thinking about. 

  • Anonymous

    So many successful people have these stories and the left have such short memories. All they see is the success and the trappings that come along with it and they scream inequality – with no regard given to what hard work has gone into obtaining that success. 
    Chartered Accountants FTW! 

  • RAS

    There is a lot to be said for the kids from Mt Roskill during the 60’s – they pop up everywhere with stories of utter strength of character and personal survival – Harry Hodge remains a very memorable and wonderful teacher; he’s be chuckling into his heavenly teacup on that one..

  • 6sn7gta

    i know your father.  I was involved with the national party in AKL when he was the divisional chairman.  I always found him pleasant and couteous.  a few years back my then partner and I were in an italian restaurant at the top of Mt Eden road,  in the old undertakers, can’t remember its name..  I didn’t want to interrupt him as he had lots of family around him.  We nodded,  as did your mother.  After a while he came across to say hello. very kind of him to do so. Similarly,  i was walking along Remuera Road once we got chatting,  and Alister Bell came along to pick him up.  They were off to a C&R meeting.  He’s a lovely man.

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