Child Abuse

NZ Herald

Nothing short of child abuse. I’m not sure the mother shouldn’t be charged as well:

A member of the public who acted after seeing a baby alone in a car in a pub carpark did the right thing and raised the alarm, police say.

Detective Sergeant Tony Heathcote said police were called to the Kuripuni Tavern in Masterton about 11pm on Saturday and found the lightly clad 1-year-old girl in her carseat in a car outside the pub.

The man driving the car was also supposed to be looking after two other children, aged 10 and 11, but they were found alone at a Masterton house.

The person who saw the baby in the car “did the right thing” and went into the pub and told someone who called police.

“At about the time (police) arrived, he (the father) came out,” Mr Heathcote told APNZ.

The baby and the two other children were released into their mother’s care, and Child Youth and Family were working with the family, Mr Heathcote said.

“Every child deserves the right to be looked after and cared for, not neglected and left in a vehicle outside a pub on a Saturday night.

“Then there are these other two that have been left at home … (who) knows what they could have got up to, the dangers that children are exposed to if they’re left unsupervised?

“It was really quite a nasty set of circumstances.”

 


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  • Work for a living

    “I’m not sure the mother shouldn’t be charged as well”

    Wow, you really need to dial the vitriol back a touch, this isn’t about MUNZ.

    Mother was out, had organised baby sitting with the father. He chose to go to the pub.

    Or is this blog just turning into a tar everyone with the same brush Michael Laws approach ?

    • Euan Rt

      A little touchy there wfal. The post says “not sure that…”  In other words, did the mother do enough to make sure the children would be safe? Is there a history of this sort of behaviour? Maybe she did her best, but it is a fair question to ask.

      • Work for a living

        Not touchy, just pointing out “I’m not sure the mother shouldn’t be charged as well” without knowing any other facts smacks of Laws and his rants. Did the mother made sure enough ? Surely the onus would be on the father being caregiver, it was his decision to drive to the pub ? Or is it the chance to leap on the feral bandwagon ? As you say, maybe she did her best, but to take the 1st position and assume she didn’t is as sad as the situation these poor children have ended up in.

        I enjoy reading some of WO bits, but I don’t have blind devotion :-) I prefer to always look with both eyes open.

    • Jester

      Not sure i have seen the source where the mother had arranged babysitting and abdicated responsibility. WFAL have you got a link.

      • Euan Rt

        Herald article says,”The man driving the car was also supposed to be looking after two other children, aged 10 and 11, but they were found alone at a Masterton house.” so I think we can conclude he had babysitting responsibility. I see he was also charged with drink driving – double fail!

      • Work for a living

        Read the Stuff article, it has more depth and less emotive to plug as those wanting to leap on the ferals.

        http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/6601650/Mums-horror-over-child-left-alone-in-car

        “I had been out at a do, and he was supposed to be there looking after them. Anything could have happened to my children”

      • Jester

        Cheers WFAL

    • sthnjeff

      It is im possible to jump to the conclusion that the mother shares any fault in this. Do we even know the mother and father live together? Perhaps the “father” had sole responsibility for the Children for that weekend? Perhaps he has (or at least had) permanant custody of the Children.

    • Paddles83

      The baby and the two other children were released into their mother’s care, and Child Youth and Family were working with the family, Mr Heathcote said.
      And if the TRUTH is known I bet the family was already under the watchful eye of CYF’s

  • parorchestia

    I can’t see how the mother is at fault.  It was the father’s turn to have the children and he recklessly abrogated his responsibilities.  He should never have unsupervised access ever again.  What the hell is wrong with our society?

  • johnbronkhorst

    Both parents (together or not), have the moral and economic responsibility to protect THEIR child.They both failed in this case, the father more than the mother perhaps (pending more facts). My belief is, that procecuting both here, is required! The reason I believe it to be so reprehensible is, that you would expect me to be procecuted if I left my DOG in a hot car, risking it’s life!!!!

    • Guest

      Yes I would expect you to be prosecuted if you left your dog in a hot car. But assuming the father had babysitting duties, which it sound like he did, a better analogy would be that if it was your friends dog and you left it in a hot car, then your friend should be prosecuted as well as yourself.

      • johnbronkhorst

        Doesn’t abdicate responsibility (big word in more than one way) of BOTH parents! Just saying “but it was your turn”, has absolutely no impact on the outcome of the child!! A large measure of “GROWING UP” required by these 2(TWO) here!!

      • Callum

        John to me before looking to put any blame on the mother you would have to look at the fathers history, IF he was known to do this sort of thing then the mother may have some culpability but if there were no previous issues then what do you expect her to do? Should the father NEVER be left with the kids just in case? What if she left them with an aunty/uncle/babysitter and the same happened?

      • johnbronkhorst

        Callum…Doesn’t change a thing…appears in NZ we are continuing to confuse BLAME with RESPONSIBILITY!!!!

  • Ronnie Chow

     Children getting in the way of adults having fun . Mother out partying , Father not having a drink but getting drunk on his own , makes second bad decision of the night .
      The parents are not willing to forego the single lifestyle in favor of maturing and bringing up their children to be normal happy kids . So selfish , but fairly typical of the entitlement crowd .
      Getting these people to realize that their children are more important than themselves is a monumental challenge , for this is where the youth offenders  come from . 

    • sthnjeff

      Talk about jumping to conclusions. What if they are seperated? Do you expect the mother to know where he is at all times?

      I have shared custody of my children. It is simply impossible to know what my ex is doing at all times. Obviously I have to (and do) trust her judgement as she does mine.
      If there is a history of this then maybe you have a point but the fact is based on information, we do not know if this is an isolated instance

      • Ronnie Chow

        ” Fletcher has been charged with drink-driving and wilful neglect of the
        children, and will appear in Masterton District Court on Thursday. He
        has been bailed to a friend’s address, and is not allowed to see any of
        the children before then.”
         I’ll jump to this conclusion . Fletcher is a shit parent on this occasion . The 15 year old schoolkids who burnt cars , a truck , a boat and a house in Kilbirnie on Saturday night were out after midnight ..the last arson around 3:30 am . I hold the parents responsible .
          

    • Cobolt

       So mum isn’t allowed a night out with friends while dad stays home to mind the children for a night?
      As far as I can see with the evidence before us the most the mum can be charged with is having kids with a drop-kick-loser.

      • Ronnie Chow

           normal scenario is mum calls home to see how the kids are . No?

      • sthnjeff

        @ Ronnie Chow

        What Bollocks if you are talking a permanant arrangement.  Fair enough if leaving your kids with a 14 year old school leaver.

        I can just imagine the response if I checked on my ex they way you suggest and also if she checked on me by ringing every evening that I have responsibility for the Kids.

    • Steve p

      Ronnie Chow: “The parents are not willing to forego the single lifestyle in favor of maturing and bringing up their children to be normal happy kids.”

      Pfft. Don’t you know that these days children are considered a curse not a blessing?

  • Steve p

    “Every child deserves the right to be looked after and cared for…”, according to Detective Sergeant Tony Heathcote.
     
    I am so sick of the way everything gets framed in terms of individuals’ rights. Parents and guardians have a responsibility towards children in their care, and they may be criminally liable if they fail in those responsibilities.
     
    You’d think that a Detective Sergeant would know that it is not the duty of the police to protect individuals’ rights.

  • Bunswalla

    Funny though, other than the drunk driving bit (which also used to be socially acceptable), this scenario was not uncommon 40 years ago. I was born in 1960 and many’s the time the three kids were left in the car for an hour while Dad popped into the pub “to see a man about a dog” and Mum did some shopping. We were also left at home regularly at the age of 10 or 11, and I know we weren’t the only ones.

    Yes, the guy abrogated his repsonsibility and the baby was very young, and yes he drove drunk which is stupidity, but in reality the main thing that’s changed over the last 40 or 50 years is our attitudes.

    Do you ever feel mild criticism (or worse) when you see people riding their bikes without a helmet – I know I do. Yet how many of us wore helmets when we were riding bikes as kids? That’s right – none. I’m just saying.

    • politically unstable

       Good point Bunswella…That saying…”off to see a man about a dog”….I used to think we were getting a new dog!!!  Nope…just waited in the car while he popped in for a couple of beers. I was about 8yrs old though – not a 1 year old….

      Lots of things we did back in thelate 60’s and early 70’s are now considered dangerous…

    • Steve P

      Things I used to do when I was left “home alone” at that age included melting lead on the kitchen stove for casting, making my own rockets and explosives with chemicals from the school science lab and attempting to melt copper in the fireplace with the vacuum cleaner on “blow”. There was only that one time that the fire brigade had to come round…

      • Paddles83

        Steve P you have just had me rolling on the floor with laughter :) I forgot about all about that shit we got up to in the 60,s, you forgot to include playing rounders on the road with the rest of the other kids in the street till dark

      • johnbronkhorst

        Steve you were VERY advanced for your age…”found the lightly clad 1-year-old girl in her carseat in a car outside the pub.”…I had to wait till I was at least 6 or 7 before i got up to that shit!

      • Steve P

        Yes indeed, if your dinner was cold by the time you turned up that was your own damned fault…

    • Mr_Blobby

      The trouble is that at closing time, even the dogs look good.

  • Mr_Blobby

    OK let’s jump to conclusions. The Father1 and the Mother went out got drunk, had sex and before you know it a baby is on the way. Choice, more money from the Government.
    After kid arrives the Father2 and the Mother go out get drunk, have sex and before you know it another baby is on the way. Choice, more money from the Government.
    After the next kid arrives the Father3 and the Mother go out get drunk, have sex and before you know it another baby is on the way. Choice, more money from the Government.
     After the kid arrives, the Father4 and the Mother, Father 5 and the Mother, and so forth and so on. The problem is what to do with all the kids. Choice the Government can look after them. And before you all start, most people know of a solo mother who has 5 kids to 5 different fathers.

  • Spanishbride

    I don’t know the background so cannot assign blame to the Mother of the children. One thing I can say however is this. When WO was deeply depressed many years ago I realised that it was not a good idea to leave the children in his care. Why not? Well for one thing he was too depressed to feed himself or get out of bed half the time. It was highly unlikely that he would have remembered to feed the children. He would zone out on the computer completely oblivious to what was going on around him. The kids could have been lighting a fire in their bedrooms and he wouldn’t have noticed until the smoke made it too difficult for him to see the computer screen LOL Seriously our smoke detectors would have alerted him but you get the general idea. Now days however I swan off to do things with my friends whenever I like and know that the kids will be fed and entertained.

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