Immigration story backfire

The Herald, continuing their activism in manufacturing stories, has one about immigration…where shock horror…someone wrote a discussion paper recommending that we only allow migrants in who are self sufficient and don’t need welfare.

Predictably Labour are opposed to this, they need more migrants dependent on welfare in order to shore up their flagging fortunes.

The Herald also ran a poll, supposedly to support their contention that this is an evil policy…at the moment it looks like a massive backfire for The Herald.


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  • James Gray

    Srsly fuck the herald. I’m sick of these silly pinko rags that pretend to be newspapers.

    • peterwn

       Mr Horton will be turning in his grave.

  • CN

    Despite I’m immigrant too, I fully support the new recommendations. Immigration should target people the country need, not people who need the country.

  • BW_Lord

    As for being “leaked”, it was stated on stuff that it was released under the Official Information Act. Anything to to put a spin on it aye?

  • Grandstream

    Not surprising, Greens up in arms at this latest piece of shit from the Herald.  Cant imagine russel norman would have made it it under the “productive member of society category”. Winston Peters must be torn up about this……time for some more asian bashing from him ?

    • Hakim of phut

      Shooting the messenger ?

      The  facts of the story seem to be true.

      Or is it some  dont believe ‘explaining is losing’ anymore

      • Gazzaw

        So you’re happy to throw out a few more ‘entitled’ long term state house tenants from their big homes to make room for the immigrant extended families? You can’t have it both ways mate.

      • Agent BallSack

        Gazzaw the left are not generally known for making a cogent argument and sticking to it. Its a continual barrage of misinformation and obfuscation, that way they never actually have to believe anything that’s not sparkly and rainbow coloured. O RLY!

      • In Vino Veritas

        Hak, I’m not sure anyone is trying to shoot the messenger – they are just putting forward their views regarding the political slant of the Herald.

        I think the ironic thing is that the proposals seem to be aimed at preventing poor people from coming from overseas to become poor people here in NZ, which will  improve poverty statistics here.
        Surely Labour, the Greens and the Maori party would be all for this since they are focussing sharply on poverty?

      • joe bloggs

        The facts of the story are that a cabinet paper indicates the government wants to reduce the number of unskilled migrants who find it difficult to get jobs and are more likely to get benefit payments.

        It’s simple Phuckt (much like you) – do we bring in immigrants who place an extra burden on our already overburdened welfare system, or do we bring in people of independent means who can support themselves?

        Everything else is spin.

  • Gazzaw

    About time this issue was resolved. I did work for the CAB and got totally pissed off with
    families ‘using’ the current system to bring in extended family. I suppose you can’t blame them, NZ is an absolute paradise particularly for those from Somalia & Ethiopia but they are a massive drain on our limited resources and their extended families are huge.

    Labour is backing a big loser on this issue. Forget the UN, check the poll resullts Shearer & have a rethink.    

  • ConwayCaptain

    I also am an immigrant as was my wife, what I cannot understand is why we let in all these so called close rellies as well.  We bring in poorly educated people for the PIs and then they want to bring in the mums, dads and drothers and sisters as well.

    Same with the large Indian families etc etc.

    Look at the problem the UK has with this PLUS bringing in brides from the ancestral village and most to thems are cousins (Dont get WO started CC) and this population accounts for 30%+ of genetic disorders treated by the NHS.

    Immigrants should be in categories that the country needs.

  • Super_Guest

    Wait, wouldn’t it be better to let in wealthy immigrants as opposed to people who were probably a drain on the system in their old country as well?

    • Grizz30

      Wealthy people who are skilled with a good command of English are unlikely to become loyal Labour voters. Now does the reason for all the whining become clear?

      • Super_Guest


  • jope bloggs

    That poll is a load of crap (to say nothing of the liberal spin and distortions in the Herald article).

    For a start, the question conflates poor people and poor English language skills. There are plenty of rich people with poor English skills, so why conflate the two?

    The article, and poll, also puts a class-war spin on the cabinet proposal to “reduce the number of unskilled migrants who find it difficult to get jobs and are more likely to get benefit payments”.

    It’s reassuring to see that the bulk of voters in the poll have seen through the Herald’s shameless spinning.

    And the leftards complain that the VRWC controls NZ’s media??? Yeah right!

    • Hakim of phut

      story in Fairfax newspapers as well.!!

      How dare they tell us that cabinet is considering immigration changes.

      clue its a cabinet paper.

      • joe bloggs

        take your spin and stick it up your arse, troll

  • Michael Duke

    Funnily enough the poll seems to have disappeared from the site……… What a surprise.

    • Gazzaw

      Very strange this early in the day. I wonder if Pravda will make an editorial comment on the overwhelong result? Come in Tim Murphy. Hullo, are you there? 

  • Richard B.

    The current poll is interesting.
    “Are you happy with the direction of the economy”
    Which is currently sitting at 50/50.
    If the No’s win, tomorrows articles will be about how the majority of the country don’t approve of the current government.
    We wont hear anything if the vote goes to Yes.

  • Doug_S

    Perhaps I could indulge you for a moment. Both my wife and I are immigrants from different parts of the globe. Myself, I had no choice I arrived here with my parents from the UK in the early 70’s. My family at the time were far from wealthy. My father in the services and my mother unemployed (housewife). We struggled for years on bugger all. My wife is a refugee from south east asia who came here in the early 1980’s. She at the time had no skills and could not speak a word of english. Since then, she has not claimed a single welfare dollar and the only time she has not had work was during her maternal responsibilities and then right back to work. DShe has worked for the same company for 27 year and is now a highly skilled employee with excellent english skills (except when I am am in the dog box)…I earn well over 100k p/a and have not drawn down a single welfare dollar in my 29 years of employment here.

    She and I are what New Zealand was and is built on. Hard working tax paying immigrants. I suspect almost all of us here in NZ have a similar background so there is a level of hypocrisy here for those spouting about unskilled migrants. I think you will find the term “should” only include refugees and “some” that fall into the family reunification bracket BUT it has somehow also encompassed those who may be very skilled i.e.. Nurses, Doctors, Engineers, Scientists and many more that meet the initial criteria, make their way here then find out the qualifications they hold do not meet the standard here so have to retrain…no can do…got to live and pay the bills so get offered a full time job taxi driving or something equally below their skill level.

    I suggest those of you who think it would be better to take on highly skilled and or very wealthy immigrants think long and hard about what they actually bring to the country. A rich Chinese speaking person…likely they would not pay a lot of tax, it seems to be something they are allergic to or perhaps an internet millionaire with a dubious background or wealthy musicians that are mostly not here paying tax but own huge property interests. Think before you speak or rush to judgement.

    Clarification…I am very much a righty as well as my wife but so so far right that we are not prepared to share what we have with other deserving immigrants. 

    • Blokeintakapuna

      Good story Doug_S – totally agree. We were all immigrants at one time.

      A poster above put it straight – the fact that Labour want as many low-income, unskilled people as well as baby farm breeders brought into NZ… and as many as possible so they can swell the ranks of Labour voters… in return for Labour’s election bribes / hand outs and lollie scrambles – WFF and interst free student loans anyone?

      Labour tactics are lower than deplorable – but what else can NZ expect when their bedfellows are the Unions? Lay down with dogs… ya get fleas! 

    • Doug_S

      Last line should read …but NOT so far right…ooops…the mistake implies i am contradicting myself

  • ConwayCaptain

    A friend of mine arrived in NZ speaking about half a dozen word of Eng.  She is japanese.

    She worked hard and starte the third eng lnag shool in NZ and sold out to a big Japanese orgnaisation for “a shed load of money”

    She is a good frend and tunrned up at ny wife’s funeral and sang a BEATUTIFUL hymn al capella.  She has been an asset to this country.

    HOWEVER why should we import poorly educated  close rellies fromm the PIs, Pakistan etc etc.

    • Doug_S

      CC..There are plenty of examples of what you mention and all very good examples. I know what you are saying and agree in some respects especially particular races. (look out) Obviously you can’t apply the rules based on race and for that reason the law is taken advantage of in many instances BUT perhaps I can give you an example; As a refugee, you have probably left behind your family and for all they know you are dead. When you are finally able to get in touch with them again (often after many years) you are still unable to see them because you cannot travel back to your country for fear of reprisal (also very real).

      Would you if you had the opportunity help your family..Mother, Father, Brother, Sister..?? So at the very least you could bring them to you. Family is everything to these people as it is to us. I don’t begrudge them their immediate family becoming NZ’ers. My wife’s parents are too old to have with us but in the mid 1990’s her sister arrived here as part of the family reunification program and again is a tax paying, law abiding citizen and also never drawn a cent of welfare. It’s very easy to tar them all with the same brush and I have to admit I may be of a slightly different opinion had I not married a refugee in fact I would probably be far more bigoted. Turns out I’m not..I do get sick of eating rice though!

      • Grizz30

        I understand that regulations around genuine refugees will not change and reunification of family members will continue as part of the refugee quota. The changes in the regulations apply to non-refugees seeking to migrate here.

  • Phar Lap

    Out comes Darien Fenton the woman with a mans face,her comments,National likes money more than unskilled workers.For goodness sake NZ does not need Europe casts off.Where does that ignorant useless taxpayer funded ostrich Fenton get her oxygen from.Seems the crazy doomed Liebour Party are desperate for persons of questionable parentage   and comments, when they let that woman with a mans face off her leash. To think that Dormouse Shearer aids and abets the type of confrontational comments coming from  a very ignorant junior MP ,shows he has no control of his caucus.

  • Chris

    Give me your tired, your poor,
    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free;
    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,
    Send these, the homeless,
    Tempest-tossed to me
    I lift my lamp beside the golden door!

    Inscribed upon the statue of Liberty.

    Our future prosperity does not depend on whether we import the rich or poor. It depends on what happens when they get here; either we can have a healthy and free economy that actually needs workers or we can have an overwhelming welfare system that reduces the number of jobs and increases dependency.
    We would quickly find that only those who are willing to come and work hard and prosper would immigrate and those looking for a free ride wouldn’t bother. It is not about whether you are rich or poor; it is about changing the conditions here to attract the right people.