Not a “proper” couple

A restaurant in the UK refused a couple a rose on Valentines day because they weren’t a “proper” couple:

A restaurant has apologised to two lesbian customers after they were refused a rose on Valentine’s Day for not being a “proper” couple.

Liz Ross, 25, and Hayley Simpson, 21, celebrated Valentine’s Day at Damon’s restaurant in Lincoln, where women were given a rose to mark the occasion.

But when Miss Ross asked a waitress for one for her girlfriend, she was told she could not have one because “lesbians aren’t real couples”.

The two said they were “disgusted” and Miss Simpson said the treatment left them feeling like “lower class citizens”.

She said: “It isn’t the rose, I have a dozen of them at home, it is the principle. This is the 21st century and we don’t deserve to be treated like that.

“I’d have thought that if they’d assumed we were straight they might have offered us roses for being single on Valentine’s night.

“But instead they just offered us discrimination and made us feel like lower class citizens.”

 


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  • Peter Wilson

    Probably just another example of gay couples pushing the boundaries without accepting they need to show some respect before being treated in kind.

    I see paralells in other aspects of life.

    -Pakehas arrogant treatment of Maori in their own land, without realising we are “guests” here.

    -Non-christains taking days off at Easter time and Christmas.

    • Euan Rt

      I am not a ‘guest’ here mate, and I really resent that you infer that non Maori are 2nd class citizens in this country. Go back to your home country and stop being a guest here – even maori came from somewhere else.

      • Peter Wilson

        Just making the subtle point that minority rights are never as simple as they seem. Of course pakeha are not guests here – I am 100% pakeha, 6th generation NZer – but it’s wise to take a course of action that shows mutual respect on both sides to enable living and working together, as opposed to assuming you have the right to appropriate what others have provided.

      • Grumpy

        I see Peter Wilson’s point – a bit subtle…..

    • motorizer

      dork

    • James Gray

      It is *my* freedom that is being restricted when I am not permitted to sell my labour for the price I choose on certain days of the year, just because christians see particular days of the year as holding significance… And now it is wrong for me to take those days off? Oh FFS.

      And what the hell do you mean by “pushing the boundaries”, the only boundaries they are pushing are the arbitrary definition of what constitutes a “couple” held by certain members of society. This is no different to a mixed race heterosexual couple being given the same treatment.

      • Peter Wilson

        That’s the thing James. It’s hard to argue your points are not valid, while not necessarily agreeing with them. Therefore, a  third way needs to be found, which satisfies everyone, until things such as gay marriage become more accepted.

      • James Gray

        Then what exactly are you arguing for? A bit of civility when dealing with these matters?

        The couple were clearly indignant after being told that their deep emotional commitment to each other was somehow inferior. And rightly so, in my books.

        I believe the restaurant has every right to discriminate however it chooses, but by the same token, the couple has the right to tell anyone who will listen (quite a few people, apparently), “F**k, what a pack of rude c**ts”.

    • jay cee

      yep and pacifist having anzac day off and anti unionists likewise with labour day,so? i think the moral of this little story is live and and let live.

    • Kosh103

      Excuse me??? Expecting to be treated as eqaul is pushing the boudaries???

      What a load of crap. Hope the 2 ladies kick up a MASSIVE stink over this homophobic behaviour.

  • motorizer

    without being gay myself i guess its quite hard for me to understand how they feel. but for me it seems a bit precious because thats just the way things are at the moment. same sex relationships are getting more and more accepted and it is coming along at its own pace. i feel like the more pushy these gay rights people are the more damage is done to their cause. i never thought years ago that i would even consider talking to a gay person and now i have made gay friends. its a progression and a maturity thing i think. and the world is doing both.

    What happened to rising above such treatment?

  •  Same old Marxist bullshit.

     “lower class citizens”

    “discriminated against”

    Same old left wing language.

    …and Whaleoil apparently qualifies as a “right wing blog” .

    While it happily sows the seeds of Cultural Marxism.

    FFS…!!!

    No wonder each NZ election is a competition between extreme left and far left. The Cuba of the South Pacific.

    The Cubans though have an excuse. Their freedom was taken from them at gunpoint.

    NZers are busy VOTING themselves into slavery.

    How stupid is that?

    • James Gray

      Cultural marxism?

      So being free to live our lives in the way that we choose, even if society finds it repugnant or offensive, provided it doesn’t actually hurt anyone else, is communism?

      That’s a funny definition of marxism you have there, unless it is “Everything I don’t like”…

  • ???

    So what, everyone gets discriminated against, for being an ACT party supporter, for being a woman, for
    being black, for being a Christian, for being an ethnic, for being poor,
    for being wealthy, for being a jew, for being Muslim, for being
    intellectually handicapped, for being fat, for being a white middle
    class male – WTF – most of us don’t go screaming ‘discrimination’ to the
    nearest newspaper and naming and shaming. Its just the way the world
    works.

    Most of us get treated like s*** most of the time by most people. Just roll with it.

  • I’m tired of debating issues with retards like you Mr. Gray. If the point of cultural Marxism, and its intention to bring down and destroy everything that made Western Civilisation the most enlightened path ever walked by man totally escapes you, then so be it.

    Go ahead, make your own bed, and the fruits of your efforts are abundantly clear.

    If you cannot see the social destruction all round you, and understand why and how this has occurred, then I have as much chance of awakening you as I have of making a blind man see.

    • James Gray

      Pray tell, how exactly are homosexuals going to bring about the end of civilization? From where I stand, the blame for the decay of society lies at the feet of fiscal marxism and no other.

      • Grumpy

        Homosexuals are just the current tool of the Marxist revolution, also women, race, Jews, disabled etc. etc.

      • Mr_Blobby

        They don’t breed for a start.

      • Kosh103

        Wow Grumpy, you are just filled to the brim with disgusitng ideas.

    • Kosh103

      The only distruction is cased by fucktards such as yourself.

  • Orange

    “In a letter, Keith Gee, operations manager at the American-style diner, said
    the business took a “strong stance” on homophobia.

    It said: “This is the first time we have ever had a sexuality complaint within
    our last 24 years in business from either guests or staff.

    “On behalf of the company please accept my sincere apologies and I hope this
    will not deter you from dining with us in the future.”

    He added: “We pride ourselves on trying to give every guest the very best
    experience possible when they dine at Damon’s.”

    Mr Gee said staff and managers working that night had been interviewed over
    the complaint but so far no one had admitted making the remark.”

    Sounds like a ridiculous self righteous over reaction considering the managers open response.

    • Kosh103

      Over reaction to being told they were not a real couple???? Get a clue. The manager is covering his arse.

  • Pray away Mr. Gray. I have no time to waste on people who portray such a shallow understanding as you.

    Except I will ask you this question-

    Do you ever wonder why in all of these cases, (race, gender, class etc)  it is always the same language (as I pointed out above) at the base of the criticism? 

    Here’s a hint.

    Its really nothing to do with homosexuality. That’s just another Trojan horse for the same invaders.

    • Shaun McC

      Your right Redbaiter these usefull idiots are intent on trying to normalise the abnormal. The whole P C thing is cultural marxism. By controlling the language they hope to discredit those who disagree with them. I am a redneck and a bigot and Im proud of it. Im not homophobic though I have no fear of fags I just think their behaviour and beliefs are wrong.

      • Kosh103

        Yes you are homophobic.

  • In a truly free country, you have every right to be a bigot if you so choose.

    The widespread acceptance of Orwellian words like “homophobic” demonstrates just how much control the state has today over how people speak, but even more horrifying, over how they think.

    That citizens can be jailed for being “offensive”.

    That the most free country on the earth now has voted for a committed Marxist/communist as its leader.

    Just a couple of signals of how the last few generations have thrown away the freedoms that the generations before had managed to preserve.

    Self professed defenders of “freedom” Mr. Gray have been completely outflanked by the hard left, and are still blissfully ignorant of how it has been done.

    The walls are closing in like never before. The leftist guards are manning the watch towers in numbers unprecedented. Real freedom is facing its greatest threat ever as socialism arrogantly stalks our globe.

    And it has all come about under the noses of such as Mr. Gray, and we will continue to lose if we continue to listen to the plaintive whining of blinkered sheep such as he.

  • STEVE AND MONIQUE

     A couple of dykes wanted a fuckin rose.Does it really matter in the whole scope of things.Do you lot think the  world is going to fall apart because of it.If it is,then fuck,get me on the next rocket out of here.Did not think it was that weak,and frail.This end of the world bullshit need to stop.

    • Shaun McC

      If you allow these things to go unchallenged then your part of the problem. Its death by a thousand cuts

      • STEVE AND MONIQUE

        Not the point.Tell me if the world will end as we know it.Because there is more bad shit going on then 2 lesbians having a bad day re roses.And if this is getting more focus then those other issues,then yes the place is fucked,but not by sexual preference.But by narrowminded thinking,and blindfolded morals.Use this collective energy to sort the real problems,and not get in a knot ,because alternative lifestyles will not wreck the planet.We cannot avoid the fact that some people will have a preference for a same sex relationship.It happens,it is not the devils work,and for them,there is no other choice.Ok it has been broadcast as wrong by religion,and seen as dirty by those who dont understand.But it happens,and it will continue to happen.Why is it that what to them is natural,and normal,is different to what Hetrosexuals want,and seek.It comes as natural to us to seek out a partner of the opposite sex,and that is because we are wired that way,and they are wired there way.We cant change how we are,as much as they cant change how they are.This narrowminded thinking that says the morals,and actions of homosexuals will destroy the fabric of sociaty,are wrong.I am not part of the problem re gays,I want to be part of the solution to stop the bad shit going on that is destroying everything we do hold dear.Homsexuals are not to blame for every wrong in this world.They are a natural part of it,because they were wired/born that way.And by the way,you cant catch gay. 

  • Pukakidon

    Big deal there are many ignorant annd hurtful people in the world this rose pedlar is just one of them.  She is a bitch who is pushing her anti gay bullshit to make a point.   In saying this what a thin skinned whimp the lady was to make such a big deal of it.   Next time tell the rose pedlar what she really is instead of bing so highly offended to tell the world and bring your own rose for your girlfriend.

     

    • Patriot

      Now Listen up ,
       Lesbians have a right to choose their philosophical approach to their beliefs – ok with that .

      A UK restaurant also have a right to choose their philosophical approach to whom they give flowers to – in their own Restaurant.

      Lesbians can bugger off if they dont like someone elses restaurant philosphy
      That UK restaurant will NOT get patronage from Lesbians who will tell the Restaurant to Bugger off

      Everyone is free to choose + express their views — but you must allow each other the right to freedom of expression — within the Law

      Lesbians — stop moaning, bitching  + grizzling .

       Not everyone shares Lesbian philosophy – but you are free to, & have the right to be Lesbians — as others are free to slag off at Lesbian philosophy too   

      • Pukakidon

         See I beg to differ.   People have the right to get on with their lives gay or not. 

        They are not hurting anyone and I am sure the business has lost their custom and a lot more to boot.  They are another example of poor business people and no doubt will be a failure due to cutting out prospective customers.  You see most people are right minded and can clearly see what is right and wrong.  A business treating these people like that is poor.

        Just like the prude on the titties and kitties discussion string he can elect not to watch. These two have a choice to walk out and take their custom elsewhere and that is what they should have done.  I personally would not have even paid for the meal, walked out and if they had a problem I would have said see me in court.

        Anyhow I can relate to these two ladies, because I have synergies with Lesbians, I love women too. 

      • Patriot

        Pukakaidon,
        You can beg to differ as much as you like ,

        UK Restaurant – yes -if it will lose  lesbian business – maybe gain business because overt showy lesbians aint there moaning about flowers + their rights .

        Other people  may also moan silently  about THEIR rights NOT to be in lesbian company — and eat at that UK restaurant that booted out moaning, bitching lesbians

        So losing lesbian custom , can attract more business than was lost .

        So Pukakaidon  — your argument is illogical and rejected – try again.

    • Patriot

      Pukakidon ,
       Get a life — you make your choices — you MUST respect others to make their choices .

      If you want to force your choices on others — you will be rejected every time , and rudely

      you choose lesbian strap on rubber penis — others choose genuine prime beef penis’

      Respect others choices or get it shoved back in yer face

      • Pukakidon

         Hey dickheaded frustrated prick,  I am a male so before you create your wet dreams in your tiny bigoted mind with you hand on your tiny scotch fillet. Think about this.   

        As I said this manager is a typical arse wipe who denies and makes excuses for everything his employees do wrong, his head is so far up his arse he cant see the damage this will cause him. Have a look at fair go there are many a twat like him.  Oh no, no one said that it was them so it must not have happened.  He is responsible for his staff and he should have investigated any complaint, which he did not. This makes him a poor businessman, he knows the name of the people involved why not ask them which of his staff said it. 

        Not only would I never goback to a restaurant that treated people like that I would pass it on to my mates who would also not go, so  owner of restaurant loses not me. This is why so many shit sacks go broke in the hospitality world in this country. So once again he and his staff are idiots  There is no need to treat people like that, regardless of their sexuality, these ladies are people enjoying a night out who are paying good money for polite customer service. They know many people that they will tell, who will also tell people that they know.  

        Reputation is key in the Hospitality industry.

  • BR

    This discussion has very little to do with “gay rights” and everything to do with freedom of association.

    Rose be damned.

    The restaurant owner should have every right to throw them the hell off the property if he likes. It is his premises, and he should be allowed to decide for himself who gets to occupy it. Most rational people would argue in favour of freedom of association. Such an argument is pointless without supporting an equal measure of freedom of disassociation.

    The proprietor of a restaurant, or indeed any other business should not be prevented by law from refraining to do business with any person or group of persons, and advertising that fact if he deems it necessary.

    Bill.

  • Michael

    I’m fine with Damon’s not thinking Lesbians are “real” couples.  It’s their restaurant, their rules.  They are the ones turning away customers because of their bigotry.

    • Patriot

      Michael ,
       restaurant may turn away lesbian customers  — but bigatory may increase custom of others by more than lost lesbian customers . so who cares about bigatory or not if it rakes in the money & packs the restaurant

      So it may be a good marketing business strategy   ” No Lesbians ”

      as you say — their restaurant — they make the rules …. end of story .

      If lesbians packed the restaurant – a new sign at the door   ” Only Lesbians ”

      or if lesbians become an attractive sideshow, a new sign at the door –” ALL WELCOME ”

      We all have our FREEDOM to choose what we wish  ” No Lesbians ” or   ” Only Lesbians ”   ” all welcome ”    please yerself what suits .

  • Mully

    This story is pointless without photos of said lesbians to see if they’re hot or not.

    • Grumpy

      They are in the UK Daily Mail, and they,re not.

  • Steve P

    The article states that staff and managers working that night have been interviewed but no one has admitted to making the remark. Of course it’s entirely likely that the culprit wouldn’t make that admission, but it is certainly not unknown for for self-perceived victims to manufacture their own oppression.

  • jay cee

    just a thought, would attitudes in america have changed if black americans had accepted that there were restautants they could not enter and that they still had to sit at the back of the bus?

    • Greg M

       very good point. G

  • Grumpy

    I was in our local restaurant a few months ago and couple of local ’60’s Lizzie’s were pissed and mauling and pushing like teenagers. If the owners had asked them to leave, imagine the outcry and screams of homophobia. Strangely a couple of our lesbian friends were also there, sitting not far away and were more embarrassed than anyone.

    • Patriot

      how one behaves – irrespective of strap on penis or real beef penis, preferences  — is where its at .

      As long as no-one is making a scene -throwing out the toys over flowers — live & let live

      If any one starts yelling at a restaurant — no matter what their penis preferences are — chuck em out – otherwise there is no issue , get on with it

      • Grumpy

        What? And have the human rights commission on your back, and picketed by the gay liberation army?

  • Patriot

    A 5 yearold boy, Dan,  along the road went to an Auckland rural school with my son  —  Dan aged 5, was in the habit of dressing up and wearing mums high heels as fun — that feminine trait developed stronger as he got older – now 20.  His mum and Dad are regular people — their son , just turned out to be a girl in a boys body . It was not a learned behaviour – nor was it encouraged by the parents .

    Our rural community & school  – embraced  Dan, as he was – in a pragmatic way — and just got on with life . I learnt how homos become homos because of that 5 year old boy . For Dan it was natural  – so we all accepted that + live & let live

  • Kosh103

    I see the hate is once again flowing.

  • Gazzaw

    I’m afraid that you are right kosh. Just cannot understand why this thread was generated in the first place and why it is the lengthiest thread of the day. Maybe Cameron posted it for that very reason – to get some debate going.

    I’m not gay & I just don’t think that sexuality is an issue but millions obviously do. We have enough genuine problems in our country as it is. Live & let live.

  • Greg M

    Why can’t people leave each other alone. I don’t agree with some people’s lifestyle or sexuality choices, but who the fuck said that is any of my business?
    Embrace difference, be it culture, race or sexuality, anything that broadens your outlook is a good thing for all of us.
    I wish that people would care as much about beaten / murdered children as they do about this topic, if they did , we would be on the road to fixing it. Priorities please.

  • Patriot

     Hey dickheaded frustrated prick,  I am a male so before you create your wet dreams in your tiny bigoted mind with you hand on your tiny scotch fillet. Think about this.    As I said this manager is a typical arse wipe who denies and makes excuses for everything his employees do wrong, his head is so far up his arse he cant see the damage this will cause him. Have a look at fair go there are many a twat like him.  Oh no, no one said that it was them so it must not have happened.  He is responsible for his staff and he should have investigated any complaint, which he did not. This makes him a poor businessman, he knows the name of the people involved why not ask them which of his staff said it.  Not only would I never goback to a restaurant that treated people like that I would pass it on to my mates who would also not go, so  owner of restaurant loses not me. This is why so many shit sacks go broke in the hospitality world in this country. So once again he and his staff are idiots  There is no need to treat people like that, regardless of their sexuality, these ladies are people enjoying a night out who are paying good money for polite customer service. They know many people that they will tell, who will also tell people that they know.   Reputation is key in the Hospitality industry.Pukadion,If all you can do is hurl abuse , swear, curse throw general insults — shows you are not logical — your argument is a losing one + you aint got a clue Pack it in and go play tiddly winks — get yourself some more  bigot biscuits Restaurant sets its own rules  & takes its chances on its policies — it can swim or sink — but thats their choice to makeyou dont know nothing but aggression .   — your a waste of space .

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  • x-x

    I work in this restaurant as a waitress, and can’t believe this nonsense has gone nationwide. It is the biggest load of absolute garbage i have ever come across. The couple were given a rose and left with a rose, and the waitress who was accused of this was completely unaware of this until it hit the papers. The reason they were miffed is because they were late sitting at there table and were denied any percentage of the bill..an outrageous claim, a rant to a local paper and thousands of hits later this nonsense is nationwide. We even have a gay member of staff, the idea of our work place being homophobic is laughable

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