Obama and Gay Marriage

The Atlantic

Ironically the reason Obama is opposed to marriage equality isn’t because of gay rights it is because of race. Imagine if a white president had been in favour of segregation because white folks wanted it. Obama would never have been President, he’d still be picking cotton. If anyone should understand about discrimination it should be a black president.

Public opinion on gay marriage is pretty straightforward. There’s a huge generational divide — with older voters solidly opposed, and younger voters solidly supportive. Over time, support for gay marriage should increase. And if Obama came out in support of gay marriage, he would probably excite and inspire many college-aged Democrats to show up at the polls and support him — not to mention winning back some socially-moderate independents who have been disenchanted with the president over the economy.

But college-aged voters are only part of the president’s coalition. The bigger element consists of African-American voters, who are solidly opposed to gay marriage. California’s Proposition 8 ban on same-sex marriage passed in 2008 thanks to overwhelming black support; 70 percent backed it, according to exit polls. Recent gay marriage legislation in Maryland drew opposition from leading Democratic African-American legislators in the state. The same ministers organizing get-out-the-vote efforts in black churches for Obama are also railing against gay marriage.

Obama can’t afford to even risk losing the deep enthusiasm black voters have towards him. They gave Obama a whopping 95 percent of the vote against John McCain last year and turned out at historic levels. He should get similar levels of support this year, but with the down economy disproportionately affecting the black community, he’s not at all assured that they’ll turn out at the same level as 2008. Backing gay marriage would virtually guarantee that some would stay home — perhaps enough to tip the balance in states like Virginia, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, and Ohio.

 


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  • Razorlips81

    Could also be his Islamic upbringing, or maybe he still has morals.

    • Bunswalla

      WHat Islamic upbringing would that be? Are you another one of those idiot birthers too?

      •  You and all the other idiot defenders of this charlatan and fraud are going to land on your arses pretty soon.

        Get ready for it.

      • The Baron

        This is so FUNNY. Redbaiter and Razorlips the idiot birther bigots.

        Thanks for coming out you fucking retards – you’ve made my morning already.

      • The Baron

        This is so FUNNY. Redbaiter and Razorlips the idiot birther bigots.

        Thanks for coming out you fucking retards – you’ve made my morning already.

      • Bunswalla

        @d1a6c95e92d183acbd39100c7c328e4d:disqus 
        a) I’m not an idiot
        b) I’m not defending anyone; I’m calling bullshit on the ridiculous claim that Barack Obama is a Muslim. He’s not; he’s a Christian. I personally don’t give a toss which imaginary friend you, razorlips or Obama choose to worship.

        If you don’t like someone, just say why. Maybe it’s the colour of his skin, maybe it’s his policies, maybe its the Obama Money or Obamacare, maybe you’re pissed off that he caught and killed Osama bin Laden – I don’t really care. 

        Don’t make shit up about where he was born or what religion he is, that’s just laziness and ignorance.

  • Whaleoil- The Gay Marriage Blog

    • Peter Wilson

      That’s hardly fair RB. This blog is for issues, any and every issue should be up for discussion.

      My understanding of the issue has increased though, to the point where I realise it’s nothing to do with marriage, but with gay adoption, which is a far more serious issue.

      And if, honesty has any virtue at all, the debate should be phrased in those terms.

      • Groans

        You make a good point Peter, adoption is the main objection to gay marriage and the reason why many of us believe the status quo suffices.  Although to be fair this gay rights thing should be wound back a bit more.  When Christian Schools can’t get rid of teachers because they’re homo’s then who’s the one under attack?

      •  Agree Peter – And also this stuff is so old school – reminds me of debates I had with rugby players back in the 1970’s – they were so scared of gay men back then – think about how many/ if any rugby players have “come out” in this country – homophobes all. Tried to make me out to be some gay sympathiser just ‘cos I wasn’t interested in beatin’ any up that we came across on Friday or Saturday nights!!!

      • Pukakidon

         Neil –  All rugby players are gay!! – you were not a gay sympathiser you were and still are an idiot.   Just like Kosh, everyone who is not gay must be a homophobe, especially if they play or played rugby. 

        Because you hung around a bunch of bullies probably has more to do with the type of person you were, an arsehole.

      • Kosh103

        Actually it to do with real equality.

    • Super_Guest

      The biggest issue with Whale’s coverage of the Gay Marriage [non] issue is your increased presence here. Filling up the WOBH comments section with tinfoil hat garbage and calling everyone under the sun a commie, or a faggot, or such. I postulate that you are in fact a closeted Maori-communist-homo who can’t deal with it so you attack said groups with all the vim and vigour of a union hack denied his free ride.

      At the end of the day, who cares if Obama is a muslim? He’s a shit president first and a religious person second.

  • Razorlips81

    Obama can’t afford to even risk losing the deep enthusiasm black voters have towards him. They gave Obama a whopping 95 percent of the vote against John McCain : Do I sense the dreaded “racial descrimination” going on here? Well I never!

    • Steve P

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    • Bunswalla

      Gee, I don’t know. Perhaps if you went and interviewed the 95% of black Americans that voted for Obama and asked them each why they voted for Obama you might get your answer.

      That exercise would be about as pointless as your comment, but keep going mate, you’re on fire this morning.

      • Super_Guest

        I think they voted for him because he was black, like them. But I’m just throwing ideas around, though.

  • Peter Wilson

    There’s a huge generational divide — with older voters solidly opposed, and younger voters solidly supportive. Over time, support for gay marriage should increase

    I’d say there’s be a huge uncertainty over this. He’s assuming younger people will keep the same views as they get older. How many of us think the same as we get older? My impression would be we get more conservative.

    So, there’s a bit of water to go under the bridge yet.

  • “Don’t make shit up about where he was born or what religion he is, that’s just laziness and ignorance.”

    That’s what you’re suffering from my friend. Look it up.

    All flight records into Hawaii from the week Obama was born have been deleted from the data base.

    However, in another section of the Immigration dept is a document showing one (nameless) birth in Kenya was registered as an Hawaiian citizen and arrived on one of those missing flights.

    Coincidence? Yeah right.

    Obama’s credentials have been investigated by licensed law enforcement officials who have found there is probable forgery on his BC, his Selective Service Card and his Social Security number.

    This is the biggest fraud in history and the biased progressive mainstream media is frightened/ unwilling to address it because the sneaking little Kenyan fraud is black.

    If it was George Bush you lot would be baying like hyenas.

    You Bunny just have the most superficial knowledge on these issues and you should STFU until you do some research.

    • The Baron

      BAAAAAAAAAAAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHA. What a load of cobblers.

      If it was GW, I’d still be pointing out that you’re a moron.

    • Guestosterone

      I bet you call Penny Bright “Aunty Mom” just befor ethe lighst go out

    • Peter WIlson

      Fair enough, why not post screenshots of the documents in acomment. Or send to WO. Then it would be up to the others to refute YOUR evidence.

      •  I don’t care what they believe. They’re ignorant fuckwits. The stories attached to the above facts are easy to find, and it will all come out soon anyway when the dam finally breaks.

        (If you say you are genuinely interested Peter, I can post links, but I’m not going to do it for those worthless dumbarses above.)

    • Kosh103

      Wow – I knew you were nuts, but this is just a whole new pack of crazy straws nuts.

  • Blair Mulholland

    Imagine if a white president had been in favour of segregation because
    white folks wanted it.

    That was George Wallace’s reason for being.

    Obama would never have been President, he’d still
    be picking cotton.

    No he wouldn’t, he’s not descended from West African slaves.  He’s from East Africa.

  • JJ

    Theres no support for it anywhere except in the minds morally corrupt liberal academics who have never had a read job in their lives. 

    • Kosh103

      Not true at all. But you go with that if it keeps you happy.

  • Peter WIlson

    It all changes when you consider marriage equality is actually gay adoption rights. Of course what homosexual adults do is up to them, but as soon as you throw innocent children into the mix, you’re about something like requires a lot more thought.

    • Kosh103

      If you want to talk about innocent children lets look at child abuse rates in the hetrosexual family community shall we.

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