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The Employment Court in Wellington has granted an injunction to CentrePort against against MUNZ & RMTU in Wellington. The ship they are currently blacklisting will now be worked.

As more details come to hand I will post them.

Once again the Maritime Union and the RMTU have been shown to be ignorant of NZ Labour laws. Once again Garry Parlsoe’s empty threats that ships won;t be worked has proven false.

UPDATE: From NewstalkZB

Staff at Wellington’s CentrePort have been ordered to unload a ship they had blacklisted after it was loaded by non-union workers in Auckland.

The Employment Court has granted an injunction against the Maritime Union and the Rail and Maritime Transport Union.

That means both unions are prevented from stopping their members working on the Maersk Aberdeen.

 


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  • Hakim of phut

    Hello … the ships were delayed. Did the court order compensation ? Of course not because it wasnt breaking the law unless they disobeyed the injunction.
    I Notice a ship arrived at Fergusson at 11PM and wasnt worked on until 7Am.
    Not enough strike breakers obviously 

    • under the old union rules it wouldn’t have been worked anyway. You would also have noted that the ship was turned around and left hours earlier than anticipated.

      • Travdog

        He wouldn’t have noticed that, it is detrimental to his argument.

      • hugo

        your right whale, me and the boys smashed that ship. at least the ships are coming in

      • Jester

        Hey Hugo. If your’e one of the lads working down there at the port, just let the guys know you have a shit load of support for the effort you are putting in down there.

        Just don’t eat the sausages off the BBQ ;)

    • Guest

      Hello… it’s called a strike.

      “Judge Anthony Ford said he was satisfied that both the Maritime Union and the Rail and Maritime Transport Union had engaged in an unlawful strike.. Centreport had taken reasonable steps to avert strike action by allowing four hours for a stop work meeting prior to the arrival of the Aberdeen, despite requiring 14 days notice”.

      So Centreport bend over backwards and the union still say fuck you. What a bunch of ungrateful people. No doubt the union will cry loudly come Xmas time if there’s an insufficient bonus.

    • Granny

      Not that you’ll care, but Labour’s own Employment Relations Act says at s86(1) 

      “Participation in a strike or lockout is unlawful if the strike or lockout—
      (a) occurs
      while a collective agreement binding the employees participating in the
      strike or affected by the lockout is in force, unless subsection (2)
      applies; or” A strike is defined by s81(a) as”the act of a number of employees who are or have been in the employment of the same employer or of different employers—(i) in discontinuing that employment, whether wholly or partially, or in reducing the normal performance of it …” Explain then how the inaction is not “breaking the law”.
        

      • Hakim of phut

        Who said it was a strike ? It was a blacklisting.
        Labours Act or 2000 was amended heavily in 2010 by National and again to get around a court ruling for Film Employees

      • Granny

        To Hakim

        More sophistry and diversion.  Neither section has been materially altered since 2008.  Explain how “blacklisting” differs from the definition of “strike” in s81(1).

      • Than

         Who said it was a strike? That would be Judge Anthony Ford. As guest already posted in a reply to you (see above), but I’ll repeat it since you didn’t seem to read it;

        “Judge Anthony Ford said he was satisfied that both the Maritime Union
        and the Rail and Maritime Transport Union had engaged in an unlawful
        strike…”

        A judge has explicitly said that it was a strike, and that it was illegal.

    • hugo

      shows how much you really know. wellington and tauranga didnt ask for compensation. But also munz can be fined, the individuals can also be fined and fired for illegal striking. and that ship at fergusson was still meant to be worked today but finished yesterday phutwit. sorry didnt parsloe state not one ship would come into ports of auckland and be worked. you wont have much to say when their jobs are contracted out and they are holding signs saying need money for food.

  • Going by the news item on Radio NZ just now the judge in his ruling gave the unions a very decisive slap down.

    • Blokeintakapuna

      Shame the judge couldn’t let us all give them a big slap down too!

      Can people driving past the picket line please start throwing rotten eggs at them…

      • Travdog

        It’s crossed my mind once or twice….

  • Hakim of phut

    The employment court is full of rulings  against employers,  shall we have the band march up and down for them too !
     http://www.justice.govt.nz/courts/employment-court/judgments-of-the-court-1

    •  While i cant be arsed reading all of the rulings, my guess would be is that many of them would be for small technical type findings against the employer (sure there will be some for flat out bad employers, they do exist). Most of these cases wouldn’t have seen the light of day if it wasn’t for petty, moaning entitalists thinking that being paid to do a job just isn’t quite enough.

      • Hakim of phut

        Its not a ‘moaning entitleist’, who was the government that bought in employment CONTRACTS. Or do you think contracts  can be broken at will

      •  No idea who the Government was that brought them in, don’t really care, they are here now.
        I certainly dont think contracts can be broken at will, nor did I suggest it. I am saying that it is likely that the cases brought against the employers will be for bugger all and as a way to get some easy cash usually.
        Most of my more successful employer/emploee relationships have been ones where no contract was written. do the job, get paid, go home…and repeat the process…don’t like it, piss off cant get simpler than that.

      • Hakim of phut

        Its an offence not to have a written contract for employment when you arent part of a collective agreement.
        S65(4)

        An employer who fails to comply with this section is liable, in an action brought by a Labour Inspector, to a penalty imposed by the Authority. 

      • Granny

        To Hakim

        The offence provision was of course inserted by the National government in April 2011 – after only 11 years when there was a redundant provision without penalty in s65(1) that a contract had to be in writing.  

      • Granny

        And of course Hakim, employment CONTRACTS predate any modern legislation, relying on the common law of contracts of service inherited in 1840.  

        The Employment Relations Act of the 2000 repealed the Employment Contracts Act in its entirety, but left in place the overall construct of a contract rather than an an ill defined tripartite arrangement of awards, arbitration and government intervention.  Thank Stan Rodger for the cockup before 1990, and Margaret Wilson for the current state of the law.

    • Bafagcu

      Hakim, don’t be more than a tosser than we already know you are. Semantics are something that the “great unwashed” (lawyers and lefties like you) wish to indilge in.

  • politically unstable

    NBR article is mentioning that action could be taken against union for damages – but then, they have been damaging some companies for years!!!

  • toby_toby

    Hakim, a bunch of old cases against cunty employers has nothing to do with the Wellington strikers.

    • Hakim of phut

      They are for Feb 2012. I was looking for today, but its only about a week behind

      • toby_toby

        Whatever, what’s it got to do with the Wellington strike?

      • Doug_S

        Dead man walking!

    • Jester

      Phutwits continuous off topic and meandering comments actually turn me off visiting here now.

      Oh for an ignore button.

      • Euan Rt

        I just don’t read his posts anymore nor phils. I just pass over them. Phut will always take an opposing view on whatever he can. He purposely tries to hijack and sets himself up as an authority on every subject he can. He is a fraud and not worth responding to.

      • politically unstable

         I stopped responding to his bullshit a couple of days ago….I just take a deep breath….

    • Travdog

      And Whaleoils response to him has to be the best comment of the thread. Been waiting for that for a while….

      • Gazzaw

        Give him the GWW treatment WO. I know that you don’t like handing out Standard & Red Blurt type sentences but continued participation is at risk here.

      • I’m pretty sure he is GWW in drag

  • Travdog

    So just one question that maybe somene could help me out with, if the wharfies are getting no income whilst on strike, just who is supporting them financially? Much appreciated.

    • Euan Rt

      not guilty!

    • Jester

      From the MUNZ website

      We have set up 2 ways for individuals to provide financial support for our members.
      By calling our information line 0900ourport / 09006877678 to make a $5 automatic contribution.
      or by depositing money into our bank account:
      Account name: MUNZ National Fighting Fund
      Account number: 02-0560-0450165-004
      Branch: BNZ Manners Street, Wellington

      • Travdog

        Christ, online begging. I’d love to know who’s been vomiting dosh to the unworthy cause.

      • Guest

        Is it possible to deposit 0.01c several times over? Would that cause MUNZ more in transaction fees?

      • ReservebankofnewZealand

        Fantastic giving on line bank account details – don’t be surprised if your account now gets hacked…this is like giving your home address out on a dating website to a guy called ” only one for you”

      • Greg M

         Internet banking works! I have just donated 5c to the union 100 times.
        1: Cost to me $ 5.00
        2: transaction fees paid by union $ 25.00
        3: win.

  • doshi

    plenty of people concerned about casualisation have donated and with the overseas involvment  upon us success is near.
    watersiders for years have fought for every worker in the country including some of the fuckwits who write into.
    proud to be a wharfie
    now that you have the bank account numbers start deposittiing and you may even get a mention

    • Travdog

      You miserable cunts make it sound like you’re hard done by, make the most of your donations because i doubt you’ll be receiving much more as an employee for POA.

      • Travdog

        “success is near”

        I’m just going to assume its the Tui making me see things. I hope I don’t find this post when I sober up, I have a weak bladder.

      • politically unstable

         I would imagine that by now, POAL must be close to having in place a contracting agreement ready for a full workforce to replace MUNZ members…it cant be far away

    • Euan Rt

      “every worker in the country”? That is a bit grandiose don’t you think? Some of us workers think you are idiots. 

      • STEVE AND MONIQUE

        More then some me thinks.

  • Hater

    No one give them a cent, let them realise they are lucky to have jobs in this day and age and should be back at work. Sack them all and contract out, this union needs to be squashed along with all its cockroach members!!!!

  • Timandtim

    So the US says this is an international event – I thought Super Bowl
    was the only truly US international event. Followed closely by the
    Olympics (split between summer and winter events). Then the NBA and the
    NHL – which are both very good international events.

    The funny thing about this is that G Parsloe thinks that bringing in
    the so-called heavies that this whole country will cave in. Will
    firstly if you need to bring in the heavies the first thing I would say
    is this – true leadership inspires and motivate people and that is a
    skill left for people who build nations and identities – e.g. Hillary,
    Snedden Rutherford Whineray etc etc – I find this bravado by the  Union
    President is about as exciting as attending my grandparents renewal of
    her wedding vowels.

    I am very disappointed that the person leading this Strike (The
    President) can’t lead and inspire and requires to bring in people from
    overseas. Its not a Telethon or maybe it is – where do I donate and can
    I sing that “thank you very much for your kind donation” song.

    I have always said this will go down as one of the embarrasing Union
    PR jobs in NZ History – some sound advice – take a deep breath – go
    back to the members and say – ok we have tried everything but we are
    going to run out steam.

    And the other thing too: The US guys have to leave at some stage…I
    don’t think they really care….and who is paying for their expensive
    hotels – oh – the Union members each week out of their subs.
     

  • thor42

    I rate MUNZ on the same level as pedophiles. 

    • Travdog

      I don’t, paedophiles don’t expect others to fund their greedy devance.

  • doshi

    i really love you people for months you have spoken about the demise of our great union but as yet nothing has happened contrary to all the crap written by you all.
    Let me tell you our union over the years have donated millions of dollars to charity and never having our name in the spotlight
    in dunedin alone our members down there paid for the mommography machine and a very expensive stroke wheelchair plus every year we donate to a lot of charities  around NZ.
    i have never read so much rubbish from people whom I still say are jealous of our union and do not want to know why we have taken this action.
    I actually feel sorry for a lot who write to this as there views are totally biased towards the employer and they really need to take look at the real picture and really get a life play golf or something like that

    • So getting a life like a union member such as yourself is to be our our goal huh?  Actually working 26 hours out of every 40 that Im paid for sounds good, that would give me shitloads of time for that “golf” that you speak of, but i am sure your aware of that already, thats why your lot are pissing and moaning so much, dont want to lose the 14 hours of paid “golf” time now do we?

    • Travdog

      ” i really love you people for months you have spoken about the demise of our great union but as yet nothing has happened contrary to all the crap written by you all.”

      And yet your “great union” has produced you NO RESULTS.

      MUNZ is like a blind shepherd followed by blind sheep towards the edge of the cliff.

      Doshi, I hope you return here for a chin wag once it has all gone tits up.

      • Travdog

        And if you had your ears and eyes open, most of the public is against you, but I’m sure you’re getting the odd munter tooting at the picket line.

    • Doodlebug

      Well, well.  A turn out for the books.  That’s the first good thing I’ve heard about MUNZ in years.  When you said charity I thought you were talking about Labour.  But I will tip my hat to you that you’ve supplied a mamogram machine and a wheelchair. 

      • Travdog

        Whoop de doo. I ‘donate’ to Lotto on a weekly basis whom give to hundreds of worthy causes by the untold millions each year. So proud of my Lotto union!

    • Vij

      Let’s watch and see doshi

  • davcav

    You’re a dreamer doshi. The country is against you, the shipping co’s are against you, you’re employer is now against you and every other employer in the country as well.

    You’re fucked. Good luck getting a job.
    Once Parsloe has finished reaming yours and the other union member’s butts for his own agenda you won’t even be able to get a job as an asshole.

  • doshi

    keep it up lads the 26 hours another load of crap
     I really think some of you need help as we will survive as every worker in NZ needs us to survive so as to create decent wages and conditions so the likes of you will enjoy.
    Watersiders have never had any friends but even if you are in a union or not in a union the current conditions you currently enjoy is a result of the great sacrifices we have made in the past.
    you can all laugh at that but when you actually sit down and engage that very small mind you will see relevance it what we are saying.
    The hatred towards our union by you people is really quite sad and as you enjoy your 8 hour shift tomorrow with your 2 smoko breaks spare a thought for our union and others who fought for that.
    and not the employers tremendous generosity some of you seem to think happened
    some of you need to wake up

    • Well hopefully the people that end up doing your job when you are all arsed out in favor of more efficient workers will thank you while hes taking his smoko break.

    • Travdog

      You’re not far from a wake up yourself, and we’ll all be here laughin when it happens.

    • Beenthere

      Just about every place I’ve worked in, has people there, who think what they are doing is really important, and that we would be worse off or cant function without them. I suspect Doshi wouldn’t realise that as he/she has only worked in one job all their lives & only associates with people doing the same work. The result of all this is acute narrowmindedness.

      • double d

        spot on beentheredonethat
        oh the sacrifices we made …..
        when i was a youngster we walked to school in barfeet in hoar frosts in summer ..

    • Mickrodge

       Jesus what a grade A knobgobbler you are doshi me boy.

      I’m grateful for the sacrifices our men & woman made during two world wars but I don’t go around bayonetting German & Japanese nationals to keep their legacy running.

      People these days have no time for idle bullying thugs like the MUNZ.

      Good luck down at WINZ. Good luck with a 40hr week jackass.

    • toby_toby

      doshi, what you are talking about are fights the unions had years ago when the unions were still relevant and had something valid to fight for. The unions of old fought over miles, the unions of today are fighting for inches – if that. The current MUNZ strike is certainly not a struggle of good vs evil, or anything noble and heroic. It’s about self-serving unionists holding the city to ransom for their own benefit.

      BTW, pissed in any barbecues recently?

    • Vij

      dream on

    • Patriot

      Doshi — you guys aint the only ones on casual work . Many are on casual , looking for more hours , and just getting by eg Radio workers , Moviehouse workers .

      Telling us How Great thou art — dont cut the mustard.

       — So getting so demanding to shut down an employer  in an economic climate like this will get no sympathy — only the opposite , as more people think you are being unrealistic and selfish.  Demanding more in Boomtimes is fine — but not NOW.  

      Now MUNZ members can apply to Contractors for work — and still be casual workers   ??
      Sack the Union boss — he is leading you astray trying to justify his salary.
       

  • davcav

    Hey doshi, why won’t you guys have a secret ballot to find out how much support your strike really has among your members?

  • Owl

    Hey doshi you need to be very careful about your union making donations. Your union lost $600k in the last two years. You can only spend what you earn. Seriously giving a donation on borrow money please. Also if unions were so dam good at their jobs why oh why don’t the buy and own businesses.

    EMPU has lost $2m in the last 5 years. NZCTU has been racking up losses. Now doshi the corporate boys aren’t in charge of your finance so please explain that before you even write another word on here.

    • Vij

      That is interesting, it would be great to know what the MUNZ superannuation fund is sitting at

  • thor42

    I agree with davcav.  I too would like to call MUNZ’ bluff and challenge them to have a secret ballot.
    I reckon they don’t have the balls. 
    I’d say the only reason they haven’t had one is because they know bloody well that they’d lose it. 

    • Greg M

       Seconded. If the management of MUNZ is that confident of the support of members, why don’t they do it ? Answer obvious.

      • Boss Hogg

        Wanker – name bar dserved that ;-)

        Cheers

        I want a bigger boat though……….

      • Greg M

        Hahaha! I wondered when somebody would notice.
        Next time you’re in town come for a fang around the harbour followed up with a few gargles when we are back alongside.
        Cheers Boss, G

  • STEVE AND MONIQUE

     Did we hear from a union supporter who is delusioned enough to think all of the workers in this country need them. Good luck,and I hope you find your home planet.

    • Patriot

      Pleased to see Ports call the Union bluff and contract out for competitive rates to keep our port moving .
      MUNZ  have crapped in their kennel – dont need people like that , dictating militantly.

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