Threats of Violence Prevent Return

NZ Herald

There is a menacing air hanging over the Ports of Auckland today. Not without some justification, the Ports of Auckland is refusing to let union heavies back onto the wharf. All they need to do is look through the Facebook pages of union strikers and see the threats, both overt and implied about what they are going to do the “scabs” when they get back on the wharf.

Locked-out Auckland wharfies will not be allowed to return to work until the port company is satisfied its non-union workers are safe from intimidation and threats of violence, board chairman Richard Pearson says.

Ports of Auckland yesterday issued a two-week notice of an indefinite lockout just a day after scrapping plans to sack 292 workers and replace them with non-unionised contract workers.

The lockout comes after the Maritime Union yesterday lifted its strike notice and sought an immediate return to work.

Mr Pearson today said a decision on when union members could return to work would be made after talks with the union this morning.

“We are obviously concerned about our staff that are already working at the port, they have been subjected to much intimidation and threats of physical violence,” he told Radio New Zealand.

“That’s our first priority … to make sure that they’re looked after, because the last thing we want is a situation down at that port which would just be a huge health and safety risk.”

It certainly looks like trouble is brewing at the Port, so much so that on two cameras there is a sizeable Police contingent. It look however that the Maritime Union cannot muster the numbers they had at the start of their strike action. They are going to have to start explaining where all the members have gone.

 


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  • Timandtim

    Whale Oil I think it is a good opportunity for you to post those facebook comments here. I dont have facebook so would be interested.

    • Random66

      I haven’t got facebook either so totally agree with your request.  Particularly more so when I read Helen Kelly challenging the PoA to provide proof of threats and bullying because of course she doesn’t believe her ‘little darlins’ are capable of such bad behaviour.  Or maybe she just doesn’t think they are stupid enough to get caught.

      • Justine

        It’s because her attention was turned towards threatening Christian radio stations herself at the time that she missed it. 

        The Save our Port Facebook page has some horrendous stuff on it that started right at the beginning of the industrial action last year.  Then there is the dangerous stuff they did on the wharf with throwing twistlocks in front of non-union members, their walking delegate advising the union to knock over the non-union staff and copping a 2 year ban from the port for inciting violence, the eyewitness account of a woman being rocked in a car on their way to work by MUNZ members wearing balaclavas, and these are just a few.  There will be more going on and more happening within the strikers to keep them on strike.

  • SJ00

    Agreed, any MUNZer that threatens or implies violence in public, should be suspect number 1 if any working port worker gets attacked or his car damaged or his locker pissed in etc. Put their posts up!

    • Guest

      No, they should be in jail, or should have been dealt to by specials / STG long before now.

  • Dave

    Agree, please even paste a few of them, lets say the top 10 and of course, who posted them.   Would make interesting reading.

    Another point, what would happen to me if I was to threaten to commit violence against someone else.   I can guarantee a visit form the constabulary despite me not having one conviction.   So, have the police even looked at these threats.

    I have sacked a staff member previously for all the derogatory comments and actual threats he posted on Facebook.  His lawyer even reccomended he give up his action against us for wrongful dismissal. 

  • Johno1234

    Laughed out loud at Parsloe’s comments on TV this morning. He said they (MUNZ) were disappointed as they expected their members to be back at work ‘to get the port up and running’.

    Didn’t he notice the ships coming and going during the strike? He’s looking more and more like ‘Comical Ali’ every day.

    • hoha

      I didn’t see that on tv this morning. What a clown he is, its because of him and his munz comrades that the ports don’t have enough work to justify calling any of them in to work. The ports have already got a roster ed crew on to deal with the ships they have.
      And looking at the photo above it looks like they are still on strike so what is it not on strike or still on strike munz.

  • ConwayCaptain

    That is why POAL have a lockout.

    These Facebook pages should be published in the mainstream emdia so that people can see what a low level class of people are involved.

    Where is the Black Knight, Sir Doshi of Beldisloe to defend them.  Is Sir Doshi on the picket, or is that pick it, line.  Picking his nose and his pimples.

    Maybe the Tumbrils are again being readied  and Mmm De Farge and Les Tricotesses are arranging the chairs.  If Doshi does not know what I am alluding to he should read Charles Dickens book A Tale of Two Cities.  It starts “It was the best of times and the worst of times……..”.

    • Euan Rt

      According to doshi, he is keen to get onto the port to pick some scabs. Shame on you doshi. The clock is running down.

    • Gandalf

      It’s quite amazing when you go into these people’s facebook pages, they are hard core activists. Some don’t even live in Auckland, so does their opinion really count? I have thoughts on the Chch Cathedral, but because I’m not from there I don’t think my opinon should count.
      Then they laugh at the Ports employee for her facebook page, but really they are jealous because she has a life beyond work and her facebook page reflected that!

  • Light

    Again more ridiculous reporting from the Herald.  The people who get the contracting out jobs will have the freedom to choose whether or not they want to belong to a union.  The men who have crossed the line have been able to return to work either as a union member or as a non-union member.  The Herald has become more like a reality tv script with frenetic shift of focus from one, one minute wonder to the next, acting more like paparazzi than serious journalists.

    • Gazzaw

      Absolutely correct! Where is the Herald on this issue? This is a time when the country deserves accurate & impartial reporting from the media. Pravda fails on all counts. TV One is no better. We saw no better in the run up to the election so I guess its a bit much to expect any difference with this issue. Believe it or not the editor in chief is an intelligent man and by all accounts a good journalist – he should hang his head in shame. Mind you does he really have the controlling say or does the APN board?

      • Gandalf

        The Herald is pro-union

      • hugo

        gandalf I agree, but then so are the police (pro union), if i jumped on a entry point and stopped trucks and bullied woman i would be arrested, why dont the police do what they are paid to do!!!!

    • Blokeintakapuna

      that’s exactly why I stopped advertising with them and cancelled getting the paper delivered…

  • Anonymouscoward

    Question, is there currently, right now, a legally sound lockout notice which backs up the Port locking out workers right now.

    About intimidation and violence, surely if a worker intimidated or assaulted a fellow worker that would be gross breach of the employment contract and lead to the summary dismissal of the worker.

    If an employer is looking to make staff redundant wouldn’t a union advise its members to not make the employers job easy for them.

  • Light

    Even if they get the assurance of good behaviour from the union they still could not go back to work immediately, although some could probably give the non-union a bit of break as they’ve been working flat out to keep the port going.

    The port would have to assure the shipping lines they would be able to handle their vessels and get them to commit to calling instead of diverting.  The containers for all the ships that have been diverted are in other places in the country and the shippers, lines and port will not want to pay the extra rail journey to get them back to Auckland.  So they would need to look at future vessels returning to Auckland which would always cause a delay for MUNZ returning to work.  Then there is the big ? over MUNZ, could they be trusted to remain at work if negotiations didn’t go their way??

    On another note:  I see Bernard Orsman has not bothered to elaborate on what the story was that he broke that caused the POAL to backtrack? 

  • On a development with the Lock Out this came up 
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10793980   It seems Len has brought in his own “Heavy” in the regards to a QC.  Quoting (and if it is to be “taken”): ”
    The appointment of Mr Galbraith is a sign that Mr Brown is not happy with the legal tactics of the port company and is worried about the economic impact of the port dispute on the Auckland economy and this year’s projected dividend of $18 million to the council.”

    Hmmm I wonder if Len is about to have a BBQ today, the serving? Someone’s Nuts on a rather large silver platter. 

    • Gazzaw

      I do’t know about ‘Someone’s Nuts’ Ben but I rather fancy that the electorate will be looking to have Len’s nuts on a silver platter come October 2013.

      • If you put it that way then yes. Catch is we need someone first to “replace” Len before Mayoral Nuts are served to the wider city…

      • Gazzaw

        Surely somewhere in this city of ours Ben there is a person who has the vision, integrity, financial know-how & charisma to grab Auckland by the balls and sort this mess out. We have to go back to 1968-80 & Mayor Robbie to find the last mayor who had those qualities. 32 years of uninspiring ‘leadership’ is certainly starting to show.

    • Timandtim

       Mr Galbraith wont have any teeth in the strike just as Len doesn’t. Only the Govt can by law.

      National wont put anyone like Galbraith in – they just want to see Len Brown swim.

      Dinner will be “Great Lame Duck”

      • AnonWgtn

        I assume that the Auckland ratepayers are paying for Mr Galbraith at $400 + an hour. He is very good but not cheap.

      • sthnjeff

        @Anon Wgtn…. haha $400 an hour for a rpominant QC? When was the last time you employed a Solicitor. Present rate around $225 for a hack family court Lawyer. Going rate for Mr Galbraith QC would be far closer to $1000 per hour

      • Dave

        Gazzaw I agree but let’s be aware, we have mr Brown because the great unwashed voted him in W would be far better with a real business person who understands economic principles and how to really run a city like Auckland and not just Pander to his political whims

      • Gazzaw

        Yes I agree Dave but where do we find that person? Hell, I wouldnt mind paying $1 million pa if we had an absolutely top person on the job.

        Yes, the great unwashed voted Len in but equally the great washed didnt get off their arses and vote for Banksie.  

    • Euan Rt

      Len’s just protecting his own position. Not a bad ploy. He can say he sought legal advice and acted accordingly. That advice is going to say that ports management have the right to run the port as they see fit as long as it is within the law and to the advantage of the port owners. And Len will be able to say, “See I was right”

  • Jester

    The Unions always need to remember……………………

    Some things in life are bad
    They can really make you mad
    Other things just make you swear and curse
    When you’re chewing on life’s gristle
    Don’t grumble, give a whistle
    And this’ll help things turn out for the best…
    And…

    …always look on the bright side
    of life…

    • johnbronkhorst

      Bet Monty Python…never expected this context.

  • Euan Rt

    I picked up that the port is running at 30% efficiency with about 20%? of its stevedoring workforce.I’m sure these stats could be interesting support material for the port wanting to contract out.

    • ConwayCaptain

      I bety smeone in POAL already has them on file but they may be removed from the F/Book site but I bet a computer wizz would find them

  • ConwayCaptain

    If POAL can get these facebook pages and produce them in court and say we couldnt guarantee the safety of our workers if we let MUNZ back in then they would be OK

    • hoha

      Yes I agree with that but they would have to move fast before someone removed them from the facebook page.

      • Mully

         I’d be surprised if they didn’t apready have screenshots of the “best” comments.

  • watcher

    The POL have this one opportunity to finally sort things out. They blew the opportunity in 1989 then refused to allow compition on Fergusson Terminal. I bet with local poloticians becoming involved POL will be forced to concede and then we as ratepayers will incur the cost of operating an inefficient port

  • Timandtim

    I dont have facebook – but if anyone can post extracts on here of these so called threats I would be extremely pleased. I like to see a balanced view here – is Pearson right?

  • Light

    Whale Oil has already posted this one:

    http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2012/03/is-this-what-willie-jackson-was-after/

    but apparently there are plenty of others out there.  I don’t have Facebook either so will visit a relative tonight who does and do a bit of detective work.

    •  No detective work needed – you just say you “like” their page and you’re in.

  • Agent BallSack

    From the Herald: Maritime Union chairman Garry Parsloe said the decision to bar union wharfies from going back to work was “incompetence at the highest level”.
    He said the port was “crippled” and needed its full workforce back on site.
    “We’re not locked out and we’re not on strike so we should be back there right now.”
    Mr Parsloe said the union was taking legal action against what it considers to be an illegal lockout. 
    Addressing these points -:
    1. Garry Parsloe said the decision to bar union wharfies from going back to work was “incompetence at the highest level – He would know he’s been displaying it for 6 weeks.
    2. He said the port was “crippled” and needed its full workforce back on site – Yes its crippled because he called a strike 6 weeks ago and lost the port millions in revenue.
    3. “We’re not locked out and we’re not on strike so we should be back there right now.” – Yes Garry, You are locked out you can’t go back there.
    4.  Mr Parsloe said the union was taking legal action against what it considers to be an illegal lockout – Boohoo Garry, you caused it deal with it, you don’t own the ports New Zealanders do. And it’s only legal in your eyes if you disrupt the work force? Cry me a river no one cares you fucking idiot.

    • Beenthere

      I heard that on the radio from Gary Parsloe this morning
      Does anyone take anything he says seriously anymore?

  • Agent BallSack

    I notice the Herald doesn’t have the balls to run a poll on what Kiwis think about the whole scenario. Would that be because the majority of New Zealanders would back POAL?

  • Pakeha56

    It looks to me like MUNZ are going to win this one. POAL are looking shakier every day. Pearson could hardly form a coherent sentence together this morning. He is committed to contracting out so he cannot negotiate in good faith, as he is legally required to do. So he has to go. His management style is out of date. You can restrict unions but you can never prevent people acting in unison.

    The ports are a vital part of infrastructure. They should not be run on a competitive model. They should aim to maximise efficiency and reliability, not profits. No threats or intimidation compare to the danger of an environment where workers are discouraged from addressing safety and health issues, because it could impact on profits. False economy. Look at Pike River.

    • In Vino Veritas

      And Pakeha, Parsloe is committed to no contracting out, so he too cannot negotiate in good faith, as he is legally required to do. So he has to go, His management and negotiating style is out of date. You can restrict management, but you can never prevent them from acting in the best interests of the owners, in this case the ratepayers of Auckland. (that’s right Pakeha, that’s those people that own a home or property in Auckland).

      If you believe this port should not make a profit, you are an inept, dribbling moron. And the only reason there are health and safety issues at POAL is because of deadbeats with attitudes like yours, who are just too dumb to be careful. And on Pike River, perhaps you should look at it because clearly you have absolutely no idea about what went on there, in fact Pakeha, when was the last time you went into a mine shaft Mr Expert?

      • Peter Wilson

        tut tut righties, I’m sure there was no abuse in P56’s comment, and yet you respond with vitriolic abuse. What’s going on?

      • Pakeha56

        I did work at Pike River, but not in the mine. They had trouble recruiting people, with the boom in Aus. They had massive extra costs and delays, so the pressure was on to get into production. They started out well – I saw no sign of shortcuts. But it happened. 
        Mostly safety is addressed by companies very well these days, but those that bash unions should remember that this has been one of their main achievements.It appears that the management has engineered this conflict and are relying on public opinion. A lot of ratepayers are not in favour of privatisation, you can be sure of that. I think the union has done everything it can to cut unnecessary expense and ensure efficiency, short of selling out its membership.

        The critical factor just might be how much support MUNZ gets from overseas unions. Tough luck if they start blacklisting ships, you might like to save the hot air for when that happens.

      • In Vino Veritas

        Pakeha, no one has said the port is going to be privatised. This is another beatup from the Unions and the left. You say that most ratepayers are not in favour of privatisation. This may be true, but its partly because of the propaganda constantly put out by the Left, who promote arguments that show their lack of financial nous and don’t give the full picture.

        Peter Wilson, if you think that calling someone an inept dribbling moron is vitriolic, pop over to your mates at the standard and have a look at some of the stuff they come up with. And remember Peter, socialism is great, until you run out of other peoples money.

    • Markm

      Pakeha56 you are a blockhead.

    • Jester

      What a crock of shit. Please provide source that POAL is discouraging action on health and safety.

      As for “The ports are a vital part of infrastructure. They should not be run on a competitive model. They should aim to maximise efficiency and reliability, not profits.”

      Efficiency, reliability and profits are like co-joined twins neither exists without the other.

      •  My main complaint about this whole thing – nothing to do really with the current dispute – but is in the long term. The only ones who benefit are shipping companies in New Zealand. We have too many ports competing against each other for shipping in a country of only 4 million people its bloody nonsense.

      • Bunswalla

        And further to Jester’s comment, please explain how Efficiency is improved by having wharfies sitting around getting paid when there’s no work (because of inflexible rostering), and ships sitting around waiting for rostered staff to come in (because of inflexible rostering).

        It seems eminently sensible to have flexibility, which is what POAL has been offering these last 6 months – with a guaranteed 160 hrs work each month and the ability to schedule your own shifts a month in advance.

        But you didn’t want that did you, and you also couldn’t stand the thought of non-union staff being paid the same as union members, which is why you went on strike. Seems very petty now doesn’t it?

    • Lostinspace

      Pakeha 56 when you come on here it is important that you declare yourself as a MUNZ member. Also I suggest that you understand mr Parsloe is on a number of companies which have competing contracts.

      Also I am pretty sure you are on the executive too?

      Or am my assumptions wrong? Apologizes if I am

      • Peter Wilson

        Nonsense. Anyone’s comments should stand or fall on their own merits. It shouldn’t matter who they are.

      •  You really are lost in space – agree with you Peter Wilson – it’s up to Cameron whether anyone’s allowed to stay or not – this is his blog.

      • Pakeha56

        No, I’m just an observer. Too many union bashers here, it needs some balance.

      • I am balanced I bash all unions equally

    • Rollo

      Only one thing different between Pike River and Munz, Coal Miners actually do some work

    • Lostinspace

      Pete Wilson read my comment that is why?

    • AnonWgtn

      Pakeha56

      Bullshit.

    • Adamsmith1922

      Rubbish

  • ConwayCaptain

    In reply to Neil about too many ports.

    When containerisation first came to NZ in the early 70’s I worked in the Wellington Terminal.  There was no terminal in the S Is and all cargo was railed up to Wellington.  The only other terminal was in Akl.

    The idea was that there would be feeder ships on the coast to take the cargo to one terminal most probably Akl.

    However the Seamen’s Union was so strong in those days that the shipping cos were just too damn sacred that they would be out on strike at  the drop of a hat and the cost would be too high.

    Then the larger ports such as Lyttelton and Otago decided to put in terminals.  Otago filled in the Dry Dock to build it so we now had two competting ports in the S Is with a huge amount of capital tied up in plant and machinery.

    Welly got bigger then Napier decided to jump in and put in container facilities.

    New Plym and Nelson have smaller container facilities as well.

    Then Tga decided to build at Sulphur point and you had two big terminals within 100 miles of each other.  Here all that has happened is that the shipping cos have played POAL and TGA off against each other.

    There should be one terminal in the SI and the POAL and TGA should form a consortium.  Shipping Cos are allowed to and do this all the time, slot charter etc.  If we did that, get rid of MUNZ then POAL and TGA would get a decent return on capital.

    • Vij

      Again,  Conway Captain knows what he is talking about. Thank you again. There are just too many so-called “experts” with no facts who comment. Just rubbish from them. This is about “threats of violence that prevent return”, so let’s stick to that.  There have been threats and this has been well documented, so let’s not  rewrite history.

      • ConwayCaptain

        Tghank You Vij and others for your compliments

    • Gem

      Yes I worked at port of tauranga during the years when talks between pot and poal took place. It was prior to the current management team at opal and the opal attitude was always that pot had would have to come under the opal way of doing things, hence no merger. Poal was heavy on the management tier and not competitive in the market place. I believe they even told us to go back and play in our sandpit.

      On another note, what garry parsloe and munz are finally beginning to see is that as a result of their striking and bully behavior no one wants them, they’ve gone past the point of no return.

      • Gem

        The stupid spellcheck keeps turning Poal into opal but you get what I mean

    • Leata

      Thank you CC for the info. Always educational. 

  • ConwayCaptain

    In reply to Neil about too many ports.

    When containerisation first came to NZ in the early 70’s I worked in the Wellington Terminal.  There was no terminal in the S Is and all cargo was railed up to Wellington.  The only other terminal was in Akl.

    The idea was that there would be feeder ships on the coast to take the cargo to one terminal most probably Akl.

    However the Seamen’s Union was so strong in those days that the shipping cos were just too damn sacred that they would be out on strike at  the drop of a hat and the cost would be too high.

    Then the larger ports such as Lyttelton and Otago decided to put in terminals.  Otago filled in the Dry Dock to build it so we now had two competting ports in the S Is with a huge amount of capital tied up in plant and machinery.

    Welly got bigger then Napier decided to jump in and put in container facilities.

    New Plym and Nelson have smaller container facilities as well.

    Then Tga decided to build at Sulphur point and you had two big terminals within 100 miles of each other.  Here all that has happened is that the shipping cos have played POAL and TGA off against each other.

    There should be one terminal in the SI and the POAL and TGA should form a consortium.  Shipping Cos are allowed to and do this all the time, slot charter etc.  If we did that, get rid of MUNZ then POAL and TGA would get a decent return on capital.

  • doshi

    this is getting better and better
    now we are not allowed back for 2 weeks then locked out
    professor Hodge has said they will have to pay us while we are not allowed on site.
    great stuff eh
    haha hoha this is great
    What a useless board POAL have and all need sacked
    Very pleased with the support from Aucklanders as they see Mr Pearsons about to be dumped
    god I love this

    • Guest

      POAL is a business, when you strike, the business loses money. You need a reliable dependable workforce you can count on to do the work they are employed to do. A workforce that strikes repeatedly shows itself to not be reliable and dependable, and are the ones getting the sack, not the POAL board.

    • Beenthere

      When you consider the mindset of some, if not most of the strikers, it’s probably cheaper to pay them to stay home.
      It’s not as if they would be making a positive contribution for the next 2 weeks.

    • Beenthere

      Enjoy that 2 weeks pay, it could the last you see for awhile.

    • toby_toby

      Paid for not working? Sounds like the typical working life of a unionised wharfie, eh?

  • Highendpc

    I think In Vino forgot to take his pill this morning…

  • doshi

    but really for the last 4 months you people have said we are gone but we are still here.
    Please at least admit that
    You can not get rid of and as someone said to me today and even you right wing nut cases would agree
    get rid of us and we will end up back in the middle ages and I know you will say we will negotiate on a one on one with the boss and he will look after us.
    That is why I feel so sorry for you all and even the old blown away pom capt conway would agree with that.
    When you look at his pommie mates and probably him, fucked up our union movement and I who saw all this happening will never for give them. 
    Proud to be a kiwi wharfie

    • Guest

      Back to the Middle ages is potentially a bit of a stretch….

      Pretty much most business I know negotiate one on one with the bosses, and know what? They do look after their employees if they are good at their job and work hard for the company, work hard, get rewarded. Of course in the current climate things are a bit different. The new stance is, work hard be able to look after your family and be thankful you have a job at all. Tons of people are getting laid off. Can you look after your family in your current terms and conditions? Yes? Be thankful you can, a lot of people can’t. Be grateful for what you have rather than demanding more than what a lot of others are getting, which is sweet FA

    • Euan Rt

      and where is it that you think you are at the moment?

      Cap’n it seems you are responsible for the demise of the kiwi union movement. Now I’m sure that has got nothing to do with lazy wharfies stealing  and taking for granted what their bosses were offering. No Doshi, you are responsible for the demise of your union.

    • Jester

      I’d save that money doshi. You gonna need it to feed your family. What you don’t see is that win or lose, the relationship between POAL and MUNZ is so acrimonious and irreparably damaged that no Judge will instruct the employer to return you to work long term.

      Whatever the result you are gone for all money.

      There is a dollar value in purging businesses of unions. But it’s a good investment over time.

    • Travdog

      do you know what L-O-C-K-E-D O-U-T I-N-D-E-F-I-N-I-T-E-L-Y means doshi? means you are gone. You’re not a wharfie, you’re unemployed, get it right.

      ” and as someone said to me today…” who, a pinko?

      Proud to be employed.

    • Tramper

      Oh Doshi, you really are rich!  You talk about people being spun a tale, but Helen Kelly and Garry Parsloe have got you wrapped around their little fingers so that you are unable to think objectively.  Yes I agree with you, you are still here but that is because nobody else wants you and why would you want to go anywhere? you have it great at the Ports of Auckland.  Enjoy your pay for the next two weeks, it will be the last and then you can stand in solidarity with your boys in the dole queue.

    • Greg M

       Captain, It seems you alone are responsible for the demise of the once great MUNZ.
      Personally, I would regard that as a signal honour, well done Sir!
      The mess of VST Manowai will be toasting your good name this evening, and you are most welcome on board.

      Greg Moore, C.L.M.
      Skipper, VST MANOWAI.

    • ConwayCaptain

      Certainly not blown away and the pommie mates that fucked up the union movement certainly wasnt me or my ilk.  It was the imports whose name I forget, who bought the boilermakers out on sttrike at the drop of a hat.  The stirrers in the NZSU who did the same.  Remember back to the 70’s and 80’s whenever there was a strike and the interviewed the keader it was usuallay someone with a Lpool, Glasgow,Brummie accent.

      I suggest that Doshi looks at why the majority of people in NZ have no time for Parsloe and his kind and why only about 10% of the workers in the non govt jobs are in an union. 

      Look at the lovely people like Minto all for the workers and he is representing the lowest paid on $15 ph and he is on how much, 120K

      • ConwayCaptain

        BTW I belonged to the NZ Merchant Service Guild.  One I had to as one had to belong to an union.  Two it was an insurance policy because if you ended up in court for putting your ship agraound for instance they paid for the defence.

      • Greg M

         Captain, I totally agree. Remember the “cooks and stewards” lot? always on strike over nothing, put countless people on the dole queue before they too were consigned to the scrapheap.One would think these people would learn but it appears that the current bruvvers haven’t learnt from their predecessors mistakes.
        I expect ( and hope ) MUNZ will be consigned to the history books in the near future as well.

      • ConwayCaptain

        Greg M

        The Cooks and Stewards merged with the Seaman’ s Union which merged with the Waterside Union so they are still with us but in a different guise.

        Parsloe is really a chip off the old block as they say/  Unlike every one else who has evolved over time they havent and under Darwin’s Theory if you dont evolve you become extinct.

        In a few weeks paleontologists investigating the history of the Union Movement will be digging for the relics of MUNZ et al.

  • Doshi

    please please guest you can not be that stupid
    to say they look after their  employee’s is a tui’s joke
    Its like a parasite Gibson on nearly 800k telling his employees on 56K and if you work a lot of overtime you may at a cost to any family life earn 91k you earn too much,and I am going to change that
    i hate to go back in history but some of you need to think back
    Conditions on smoko breaks and lunch breaks were won by exactly what we are doing here and for you people to continually attack us probably sums up where we  are in NZ at the moment.
    Totally bereft of any consideration of the bigger picture.
    Quite frankly i feel extremely sorry for you all
    once again proud to be a wharfie and being the main union to create for all New Zealanders at least work conditions that  all of us should at least be grateful.
    Unfortunately some of you are set on a mindset that knocking workers is the way to go but we will not go away.

    • Guest

      I’m far from stupid, and if you look at the national average, 56K is a pretty decent wage, and a lot of families support themselves on a hell of a lot less than that! How about you actually be thankful you have a job rather than on the dole, rather than feeling your entitled to all and sundry. That is the bigger picture you talk about. 

      There is absolutely nothing about knocking workers that I have, its being grateful for what you have. 56k is pretty decent. How bout you go work for someone like Fulton Hogan or the like doing road work in Invercargill, in winter in the elements, people do that, know why? Its what they have to do to get food on the table for their kids, that simple. And bet they do it for less than 56k

    • Light

      Doshi, you’re an optomist and in general I like optomism, it’s cheery and full of hope but I still cannot agree with you.

      For me, my optomism is based on the Port pulling through.  They have proven themselves to be excellent employers and given the opportunity to show they can make it in the marketplace, they have the potential to provide job security for hundreds of Aucklanders and their families.  They HAVE to change to survive and I believe they will.

  • Light

    I have been trawling through the SaveourPort site and it appears that all entries from the 8th of February on have been removed.  Is this normal for Facebook?  It’s just that my relative told me that there was a lot of early threats made by MUNZ people against non-union staff in December on that site.

    • Timandtim

      I thought I read someone had downloaded because he knew would be deleted and he would make them available later.

    • Light

      The Save Our Port page appears to have been heavily edited.  Hardly any of the wharfies themselves in the comments sections now, just Dave Phillips and a couple of others and mostly women entering comments.   The earlier entries have either been removed or archived.  I did find a few which I will post here but they are quite mild compared to what I have heard of the earlier ones.

    • Light

      Another

    • Light

      Another

      • Mully

         “Jumped the fence” – that’s why the Union are packing themselves. A lot of the strikers are seeing the writing on the wall and crossing the picket.
        And those ones will likely be re-hired by the contractors – there’ll be a file someone with the shit stirrer’s names on it for the contractors to avoid.

    • Light

      And the last one.

      There were quite a lot attacking Len Brown, and slagging off Tony Gibson, Richard Pearson and POAL management as a whole.  They must have been extremely busy editing their page recently.

      • Gandalf

        Yes I tried to find some last night as suggested by someone. Unsuccessful though. There was one chap who is on the side of the Unions telling them they shouldn’t take the heavy handed approach as it’s bad for their image. Very sensible, however not many were listening to him. I might take another look through our facebook page tonysavedourport.com and see what I can find. That page has attempted to keep things moderated but you never know, might find something…

  • ConwayCaptain

    From what I understand is that when MUNZ all turned up “to work”  the POAL said sorry there is no work as our rosters are all worked out until the ned of next week.  We wikl see what we can do after that, then a few days later the Lockout begins.

    • Gandalf

      Yes Capt, you are correct. There aren’t too many ships coming in due to the strikes etc. What work there is for the next week has already been allocated out, so those who are working know what days and times to come in already. We don’t want them waiting at home by the phone to ring now do we?? hence the allocating in advance :-)

  • ConwayCaptain

    Greg M

    Where is your fine vessel berthed?????

    Should charter it to the RNZN to tow targets.  Mybe they can use a cut out of one G Parsloe

  • Greg M

    Captain, She is at TGA this weekend, Mr Engineers home port. He is changing a piston and two sets of rings. Managed to pick up a contract to tow an empty barge back, should give the old girl a good workout :-)

    • ConwayCaptain

      Back to where??

      • Greg M

         Captain, back to AKL, It took 14hrs to get there, I am allowing 36 hrs for the trip back, 3-4 m easterly swell +30-40 kts breeze forecast.

  • Moo Juice

    What Mr Parsloe is failing to see is that there is no work for his members -POAL have reduced ships calling, which = less work… Add to that, the rosters have to be set in advance so staff are not “sitting by their phone” !!!  After all he is all about family eh ?? 

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