Why can’t Nikki Kaye do something useful?

Ali Mau is getting married. Except she isn’t. She is getting civil unioned, because New Zealand doesn’t allow same sex marriage.

The tragedy for Ali is she cannot marry the person of her choice. She could marry her first cousin though, as long as her cousin is male. That is a whole lot more yuck than two chicks getting married.

The lesser tragedy is Nikki Kaye is promoting an expensive, meaningless gay pride event that will do nothing to allow Ali to marry Karleen and cost us all a heap of money that we don’t have.

Instead she could take the no cost approach of introducing a bill allowing Ali to marry her lover, giving Ali the same rights that most of New Zealand have.

 


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  • Simon

    Just like copyright laws, the whole concept of marriage needs a good stern looking-at.  Times have changed, marriage isn’t forever between a man and a woman, should not be an offence to be married to more than one person etc. 

  • Peter Wilson

    We’re not still on about gay marriage, surely. That argument has been well and truly won, I would have thought, with the consensus being in determining an appropriate term for the different kinds of marriages. Christian marriage, civil marriage, gay marriage etc. then everyone is happy.

    • Hakim of phut

      No it isnt. We have marriage for only opposite sex partners, we have civil unions for both same and opposite sex partners. Why the discrimination? 
      And as far a ‘christian marriage’  goes  yes they can prevent divorced couple being married ‘in a church’ – along with other little rules  but you can choose the method of marriage, state registered celebrant or state registered religious celebrant.

      Why even some ‘christian marriages’  have problems if you arent from the same religion, but at least you can have a full legal marriage  from another  church that doesnt have  such rules.

      • Euan Rt

        I don’t usually ‘like’ your posts phut but your point is well made here. As a fundamental christian my self, I don’t kid myself that I should have any direct influence over how others may or may not want to live. 

      • Pukakidon

         Sackim of Shit.   ONce again you are wrong, it is the same ole story.   Civil unions are for both opposite sexs as well.  Do some research clown

      • Peter WIlson

        It’s not discrimination duh. I, as a white heterosexual, can’t enter into a gay marriage – not without being dishonest, anyway – can’t claim any treaty rights and can’t play in the womens event at Wimbledon. It’s not fair!

  • LesleyNZ

    What rights are they missing out on? I thought living together was the preferable option these days. The concept of  marriage is being treated very cheaply –  like a fashion accessory – a must have. They can have a “marriage” if it makes them feel better but for me “Gay Marriage”  will never be the same or equal to marriage between a man and a woman.

    • Peter Wilson

      Definitions and terms are all important here.

      I believe de facto relationships are zilch compared to marriage, likewise gays. But by defining the type of marriage, at least eveyone gets to keep their own opinion. I would imagine Christian marriage people would fume at people like myself who got married in a church yet only go to church for the odd funeral or xmas service.

      • LesleyNZ

        Peter – Christian people get married at all sorts of places – not just in a church. The concept of the “Christian Church” is not so much the building but a group of people.

      • Pukakidon

         Thankfully no one give a fat rats arse regarding your bigotted beliefs.  Here is the problem, a relationship is between two people and has nothing to do with you or you bigotted beliefs.

    • Kosh103

      Then lets just call it marriage and let everyone have the right to it.

      Problem solved.

      • Pukakidon

         I agree

    • Bunswalla

      So what? Who cares what you think?

  • Travdog

    I don’t see why Nikki should waste her time to suit the needs of a an individual who happens to be a reasonably attractive gay female. I don’t really see this post as beng about gay couples in general because I’d just about guarantee the post would be in direct contrast if it were Chris Carter wanting to marry his partner.

    • Travdog

      It’s a pity it takes an attractive female to draw attention and motivate people to make the cause public..

    • No it would be the same. I still haven’t had a cogent argument against marriage equality.

      Nikki Kaye wants to spend large amount of our money on a gay Maris GRAS to prove her pink credentials when if she was serious about pink issues she would do something meaningful rather than something symbolic.

      That is the point of this post which you all seem to have missed.

      • Groans

        Romans 1:26-27

      • Travdog

        I do see your point now, it’ just the 11 or so references in as many lines of “Ali” and “she” that threw me off your point initially. I do agree with what you’re getting at, but we’re a whole heap closer than we were 10 – 15 years ago.

      • Cadwallader

        I think the true issue here is: Why marry at all?

      • Cam is right.
        Although if Kaye did take up the cause how far would she get. The Social and Neo Liberials would see no issue promoting the cause but the Social and Neo Conservatives on both sides of Parliament would block every move made towards marriage equality. And looking at Parliament right now I think we do not have enough “liberals” to get a bill past its first reading.

        A shame really, would of been a very interesting debate – a very lively debate.
        Seems no one in the House is willing to put a Bill forward?

      • You  issed out verse 28…you really should have put that in for some context…but then again you don’t want context, you want to take snippets from the Bible instead of taking the whole book.

        The point is that God is saying it is sinful…sure we all acknowledge that…but so is masturbation and I bet you are a wanker…so how about curing your own sin first.

        When are you guys going to understand that sin is between the sinner and god, not for fucking busybodies like yourselves who have a prurient interest in the sex life of others.

      • jay cee

        i thought this issue was sorted by the last labour govenment. now you can be married in church,a registry office or have a civil union, all equal under the law.
        perhaps ns kaye is heeding the the national party line about less government in peoples lives. as for the mardi gras well we all know if you want to prove yourself to the electorate at large that you are broadminded be seen with lesbians,homosexuals and transvestites.worked for key and shearer.

  • davewin

    Remind me|!

    When did marriage become a “right”. Sometimes this bleat reminds mr of the “Right” to work, the “Right” to be a pain in the pootoot, and the “Right” to parole.
     

    • Travdog

      it IS a right davewin, just not to everyone, and that is the argument.

    • Hakim of phut

      It is a right, a very basic one. Even prisoners can marry

    • Euan Rt

      Actually, marriage is a ‘right’ by definition. Cultures have rights – initiation, marriage, even divorce has become a right. Cultures are ever changing and to have someone say this is how it has always been therefore it is the only way is nonsense. Cultures change people – even ours/yours. Sure it is only right and proper to debate and stand up for what you believe, but remember you do not have a monopoly on the parameters of this culture that I too belong to. This is healthy debate. Take the heat out of your arguments and as whale says put forward your considered view. Remember the ‘right’ of correcting wayward children by smacking has changed (against my will) but our culture is changing.

      • davewin

         I see – it is a “cultural right” very good! So when the right begin, and to who was it extended. I think you will find that rather than “cultural” it is a religious arrangement, designed for purposes other than homosexuality.

      • Steve P

        No, marriage is not a right. If it were, I could ask the hot girl in sales to marry me and she would have to say yes – because if she didn’t she would be violating my “right to get married”.

    • why are you pretending to be farrar..?

      ..why are you using his picture..?

      philat-whoar.

      • davewin

         Pretending – it took me 44 years of this “right” to get like this.

      • starboard

        oh very good whore..you actually made me laugh for once.

  • Andrei

    I haven’t seen a cogent argument for gay “marriage” because their isn’t one.

    It is just a vanity so that well off people, with bully pulpits and unnatural sexual desires can have their chosen lifestyles validated.

    In case you hadn’t noticed the venerable institution of marriage has been pretty much trashed by our decadent elites and this is reflected in the poor not getting married at all and the taxpayer picking up the bill as in the DPB etc.

    Male/Female marriage as we have always had it and as it remains in the vast majority of the world today has a societal and cultural purpose of great importance – the raising of future generations!

    • Hakim of phut

      So Andrei you will deny marriage to those who cant  produce children. In case you havent noticed Chris Carter  and his partner amoung many others ‘has children’.
       Likewise many marriages later in  life are unable to produce children, so they are to be banned now ?

      • Andrei

        Actually marriages in later life for women anyway is a very recent development 

        Also under canon law, from which our marriage laws were originally derived a person who knows  they are sterile cannot marry and if they do the marriage can be ruled  invalid.

    • Kosh103

      Oh what a load of crap.

      Marriage has nothing to do with raising the future generation these days. Hell in many many houses the future generation is being raised by a vast arrangment of relationships. So please keep that silly idea out of it.

      And as for no cogent argument – how about simple basic equality? The RIGHT to be an equal citizen in your own country.

      Oh and if you think homosexuality is a lifestyle choice, on par with buying a new car, then I suggest you read some CURRENT VALID studies. Being gay is as natural as being straight.

      • Steve P

        Current valid studies? Yeah, right – nobody’s going to touch that with a barge pole, unless of course they can “prove” the party line.

        For all you know, homosexuality could be caused by a pathogen:

        http://westhunt.wordpress.com/2012/02/16/depths-of-madness/ 

      • Steve P

        And even if gay is natural, so what. The whole point of civilization is not to live in some Hobbesian state of nature.

      • Kosh103

        It seems to me steve you are the sort of person who would have opposed black rights, or getting rid of slavery, if born in a different time.

      • Steve P

        It seems to me Kosh103 you are doing everything you can to avoid addressing the points I raise: insults, ad hominem, shaming language, all SOP for the left.

      • Kosh103

        What points? Homosexuality has been proven time and again as being natural and not a choice.
        Denying one part of society something because of how they love is wrong and immoral.

        Nothing you have said disproves this in any way, and only shows what a bigot you are.

        But if I missed something feel free to repost your points and I will address them one by one.

      • Steve P

        But we are not discussing homosexuality, we are discussing gay marriage., and at the risk of sounding facetious, what’s love got to do with it?
        If two gays love each other then fine, go for it. Contrary to repeated assertions by you and others I am not a bigot. I don’t particularly care what two (or more) consenting adults get up to in the privacy of their own homes. 

        However marriage is a social, public institution, that’s why society creates laws around it – because it’s more than just individual rights, it’s about society as a whole. 

        Contrary to what appears to be popular belief, society does not exist to protect people’s individual rights. Society confers rights to people, and while it certainly benefits individuals to have those rights that is not why society confers them – it does so because it is to society’s benefit – and without society, nobody has any rights.

      • Steve P

        And it’s interesting that you should cite the example of slavery, because of course at one time it was considered natural, since the natural inferiority of the negro was taken for granted as being true.

        So I don’t know if it’s all that smart to keep making these appeals to nature.

      • Kosh103

        Steve it all comes down to equality. My love is no less equal than yours. So why should I be told I cannont marry. Esp given the changes that marriage has gone through, any arguemnt that it is some sort of enduring never changing thing is a joke.

      • Steve P

        A little task for you Kosh. If you’re going to take part in on-line debate you should at least be familiar with the basic principles.

        Read this and come back to me with how it relates to your argument:

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question

      • Kosh103

        Unlike you, I do not bow to the ever changing/editied version of truth put out there by WP.

        Its a usful site, but anyone using it to state a final position on something is a fool.

      • Steve P

        I take it then that you didn’t even bother to look at the link. Your debate strategy is remarkably similar to those religious fundamentalists you decry; it consists of putting your hands over your ears and shouting “I’M RIGHT YOU’RE WRONG SHUTUP SHUTUP 
        I’M NOT LISTENING TO YOU LALALALA *INSULT* *STRAW MAN* *INSULT* *LOGICAL FALLACY* etc…” until your opponent simply gives up.

        Not surprisingly, I find this line of argument… unpersuasive, to say the least.

      • Kosh103

        No steve, thats your style.

      • Steve P

        So now you’ve reached the “I know you are, but what am I?” stage…

    • Andrei, what is your sin? Are you pure? Can you cast the first stone?

      From where I am looking at it from you are a gossip, and prideful. You cetainly exhibit a fair mount of wrath.
      How about cleaning your own act up before you get all huffy about some people wanting a piece of paper called a marriage licence.

      • nzd.gbp

        This idea that you are not allowed to point out errors in others unless you are perfect yourself is ridiculous. Are you saying Whale that you acknowledge gay marriage is a sin but you’re in no position to condemn it so you therefore must support it? I personally couldn’t care less either way. I don’t care what the state thinks of my lifestyle nor whether they approve of my choice of partner. I already have legal remedies regarding property rights and bedroom behaviour and so does the gay community. If you need the approval of the state then you have nothing but what they give you. Marriage is a religious ceremony. If you don’t agree with the religious teachings then get a new religion. Make one up. Call it Christianity++ for gays. It wouldn’t be the first time. Just because the law says so, it doesn’t mean it is so.

      • not at all, what I am saying is all the finger pointers should perhaps have the finger pointed at them too.

        Leave people the fuck alone. You are dying in a ditch for something that affects perhaps 50 people a year. Get over it.

        The point I am making is all these opponents of marriage equality keep talking about the fact that god won;t be happy…well he may well not be but as I have said repeatedly that is none of their fucking business…it is between god and the sinner, just as my sins are between god and me and no one else.

        There are so much more important things to worry about than stopping two people who love each other getting a piece of paper that says they are married….it is a legal construct not a religious one, but hey if you want to make it a religious construct then you have to stop quoting verse out of context.

    • titanuranus

      Ho  ho, the fundamentalist christian whining about being bullied from the pulpit.
      Google  “pot,kettle ,black”  moron.

    • The Gantt Guy

      Andrei, you’re wasting your energy on is one, with this audience. Cameron knows the vast majority of people oppose same-sex marriage, for multitude different reasons. But he has his soap box and likely relishes being able to put a picture of a photogenic lesbian couple on his site. That as a Christian he refuses the Bible’s very c,ear teaching on this topic is well, a little ironic to put it mildly.

      It’s strange to me that Cameron appears to have jumped the shark firmly into the Leftertarianz camp. He seems to believe it is possible to have ‘liberal’ social policies and conservative d fiscal ones. He doesn’t seem to understand the issue of ‘gay marriage’ is merely one more front in the Left’s war on the traditional family, a war which they’ve been winning for the past half century, and to which ALL of the problems in today’s society can be DIRECTLY traced.

  • HonestWhore

    In reply to Groans: Re Romans 1:26-27 – just in case the rest of you atheists couldn’t quite remember the exact text:
     26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.Now I’ve stopped laughing I would like to point out that (a) the bible is historical fiction; (b) “God” is a invention of lonely people; and (b) vile affections are surely the most interesting!

    • HonestWhore

      sorry for typos … still laughing!

      • Groans

        So you can prove God doesn’t exist.

    • Thanks :-) couldnt be arsed getting out of bed on this shit arsed weather bombed day to go get a Bible and look up the passage. Although I might do later

    • titanuranus

      If it was`nt for that FUCKING book, we probably would not be having this discussion.

  • HonestWhore

    *sigh* here we go … And you can prove she does?

    •  groans..you do know that impossible-question-for-either-side-to-‘prove’ that you asked..

      ..usually only elicits groans..

      ..eh..?

      [email protected]

    • Groans

      You stated “God is an invention”. Why don’t you keep your mouth shut until you can back up your statements. Now everyone knows you’re an intellectual midget

      •  ..groans…but god surely is an invention..?

        ..the concept comes from the very understandable human desire/need for there to be ‘more’..

        ..than the seeming meaningless of our existances…

        ..and like i said before..calls from either side to ‘prove it!’..are essentially meaningless..

        ..as neither side can..

        ..as for explanations of the whole shooting-match..?

        ..i haven’t got a fucken clue..

        ..and neither does anyone else..

        ..different cultures have different stories/explanations for it all..

        ..most a mix of myth and folk-tale..

        ..and religions are essentially social blueprints to try to make humans not act like the animals they are…

        ..and in that sense..they do/can have a role to play…(pre-humanism as it were..)

        …but as for them being prescriptions/explanations for that whole shooting-match..?

        ..don’t think so..eh..?

        [email protected]

      • HonestWhore

        Moooooohahahahaha Groans.  Right back at ya baby!  Kiss!

      • Wychbych

         Hostile, much?

        That whole old-time religion thang is simply a case of who has the better imaginary friend! The Bible was written by people who also thought the earth was flat.

        Fairy stories… in the Bible!

        Being gay means being free to love who you like, without shame and haters, imo.

  • Orange

    I thought she did marry the person of her choice. And then she left him being clearly infatuated with someone else. Hardly a moral ideal to fight for.

    • Kosh103

      Infatuated???? Good lord.

    • Who is talking about morals?

      • Orange

         Well, you just did?

  • Urban Redneck

    Andrei is right. And furthermore, if same sex “marriage” is ever legalized then there will be nothing stopping sexual deviants from bringing every imaginable behaviour out into the open, daring the law to step in. Polygamy will be the first of course – the intelligentsia and progressive fools like David Farrar are already openly supporting it –  next will come four person marriages and groupings that would boggle the mind.

    The success of homosexuals and “transgenders” in organizing pressure groups to normalize their behaviour has begun to embolden other more deviant subcultures to do the same with the depraved intention of dragging the rest of society into their moral abyss. Again, if homosexuals get thier way, in time it will be virtually impossible to defend society from such people.

    The West is in very serious trouble indeed.

    • Kosh103

      Ahhh the fucktard argument.

      • Ok kosh, that one liner had to make me smile.

        Seems our lefties are making more sense then most of the other side in this post. Must be something in the weather bomb this morning….

      • Agent BallSack

        Haha Kosh, touche

    •  do you get all ‘sweaty’ when you think about this stuff there..urban redkneck..?

      ..’groupings that will boggle the mind’..

      ..c’mon..!..tell us yr favourites..!

      ..’boggle’-away..!

      ..eh..?

      ..’..into their moral abyss..’…eh..?

      ..whoar..!

      ..you are more laughs than a barrel full of simians..

      ..got any more..?

      [email protected]

    • Oh fuck off….what a ridiculous strawman argument based on moronic hypotheses.

    • jay cee

      a guy in utah by the name of warren jeffs tried to use a church he created to reinstate polygamy. hes now doing time for it. seems being a good bible quoting christian he also thought it ok to coerce 14year old girls to marry his pals. i dare say he was able to quote the bible to back up that particular deviancy. as for gay marriage it is not about procreation its all about acknowledging a relationship under law. there have been instances in the past where homosexuals who were living in a de facto “marriage” were cut out of the winding up of the estate after the death of their partner  by spiteful,disapproving relations.

    • Wychbych

       Sad guy.

      Being gay means being free to love who you like, as I posted earlier. Your ignorance and hatred make me laugh!

  • ConwayCaptain

    I feel sorry for her kids.  Can you imagine the teasing and bullying in the school playground

    • Kosh103

      Any proof thats happening?

    • Yes bullying is terrible, probably is the kids of Andrei doing it, but that’s ok by him because they are dirty homos

  • Rockyr

    Leave moral; degradation, social engineering and sexual perversity to the Socialists, that is all they had to show for their decade in power.

    • are you sure you aren’t just doing a colbert-like comedy-routine there..rock..?

      ..’cos if i were doing something like that.. your slogan would be on high rotate..

      ..have you met urban redkneck yet..?

      [email protected]

  • Groans

    To WO: my argument on this issue is that if we undermine the traditional family unit which is an institution then nothing else in the country will function properly. I believe the enemies of NZ understand this. Restructuring society is a dangerous game that I’ll never support and the Bible is a useful guide in explaining this.

    • Kosh103

      Now this post is either an example of taking the piss, or someone who has their tinfoil hat on a tad too tight.

    •  who exactly are these ‘enemies of nz’..?..there..groans..?

      ..where can they be found..where do they lurk..?

      ..and..have you ever been accused of over-egging…?

      ..(excuse the non-vegan metaphor..eh..?..)

      [email protected]

      • Groans

        Where do they lurk? I’ve been told public toilets but am not sure if this is true

    • The “traditional family unit” was undermined years ago and not by homosexuals either…a marriage hardly constitutes traditional family values…can not two people of the same sex not maintain traditional family values of a loving, caring home, protecting children?

      Is that what you are saying…that only married people can love properly and care properly and not bash their kids?

      Because I think you will find that your argument will fail on the real life, not fairy world, statistics.

    • titanuranus

      Dare I suggest that ,Jersey Shore and the Kardashians et al,  do more to undermine the “traditional family unit” than any same sex couples that care for each other?

  • Pukakidon

    Who cares!!! marriage has become a joke anyway.   I have been with me defacto wife for well over 30 years and well before the re-classfication of a Civil Union.   I can not think of many of my friends or aquaintences who married around the same time and can say they are with their same partner.

    A church sanctioned piece of paper makes no difference other than use a legally sanctioned path to shit on your wife or husband at a later date. Hypocrites use the church to make all sorts of commitments like love, honour and obey and until death do us part and then shit back in its face when they feel like cheating, munching muff or riding the dirt track.   I say it again marriage is a joke and integrity to ones partner has gone out the window.

    If they want to get married let them

    • Peter Wilson

      Oh dear, someone else cynical about relationships. Your own failure is surely not a reason to argue against it for others.

      Seriously, if marriage is just a waste of time, why do gays wants it so badly? I suspect it’s because they desparately want to be recognised as normal, and mainstream. While there’s nothing wrong with that desire, surely they must recognize the angst that traditionalists go through, knowing they have contributed and built a society that gays are now seeking to piggy back onto.

      • Pukakidon

         Peter, I a not cynical about relationships and as I said I have been in a relationship for 30 years, have you.   I dont need a crutch to lean on as you must do.   Where we differ however is I dont buy into the hypocritical religious claptrap around marriage, it has been destroyed and is no longer a contract.   How many times have you been married?

        You are right though, gay people want if because simply they cant have it at present and they just want to be mainstream, and I support them.      I could care less if they get married one way or the other. I don’t discriminate against them as you do. I can see your argument but what I cant stand are the religious bigots that say love thy brother and sister unless they are gay.   It is very common among the so called Christians to be extremely judgemental of others but behind closed doors they are very bad people indeed, in fact Graham Capill Christian Heritage Party was very much like this but he got caught doing the most despicable things.

        I bet that Ali and her other half very much love each other and are very good people.

        I think there might be a little of that you just dont like gay people and you dont want them to have what you can have.

  • Kosh103

    Now here is a question for all the homophobic dickwacks quoting the Bible. Now keep in mind I am an Anglican christian. I attend church prob more than all of you idiots put together. I listen, I read, I discuss with the vicar – so please tell me where in the NT (the part of the Bible christanity is based on) where CHRIST says homosexuality is wrong.

    Keep in mind Christ is God made flesh, so both are one and the same. Point out to me where CHRIST said it was a no no. He railed against a lot of other things, but never homosexuality. So please, enlighten me as to the passage where Christ goes off his nut about those damm queers.

    Oh and as an aside, I can pretty much kick to touch all the other so called anti homo parts of the Bible as well. If you think you can use the bible to defend hate, you are very much mistaken.

    • Peter Wilson

      What has quoting the bible got to do with anything? I never read the bible, but I can guarantee there are verses in it that support both sides of the argument. That’s the whole point in it, to take the life of Jesus and get whatever message you see in it for you.

      Why do people think if you are for something, you must hate the other side. Perhaps people genuinely feel homosexuality, adult incest, polygamy and the like are threats to society and future generations, and need to be argued against.

      • Kosh103

        Any fool who lumps being gay in with incest needs to be removed from society and put on an island where their out dated idiot thinking cannot harm anyone.

        I will book you a flight.

      • Pukakidon

         How has incest and homosexuality got anything to do with each other.   Your a bigot.

      • Pukakidon

         Hypocrite,   Don’t go to church, but use it when it suits you to get married. But you don’t want gays to use the same.

    • Andrei

       

      3 The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?
       4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
       5 And said, For this cause shall a man  leave father and mother, and shall cleave to  his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
       6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

      Little ambiguity there that marriage involves one man with one woman.

      It is not hate to defend marriage – nobody cares what two consenting adults do

      • Kosh103

        I dont see any thou shalt nots in there in regards to gays.

        I asked for thou shalt nots. I cannot see anywhere in ther Christ saying a man and a man may not love each other and be with each other as a man and a woman.

        Try again.

      • Andrei

        There aren’t any “thou shalt nots in the Gospels in regards to many things, sexual and not sexual.

        The Gospels are not a litany of thou shalt nots

        I  could use your argument to claim bestiality was ok, which it isn’t of course.

      • Kosh103

        So Christ never spoke against gays or same sex realtionships, or even uttered they might be bad.

        Now that you have admitted to that little fact, kinda makes any attempt to make christian rules the end game when talking about marriage stupid.

      • titanuranus

        Stop it Kosh, the fuckwits get off on cutting and pasting religious bullshit to threads.

      • Kosh103

        But tita, there is nothing they can post that actually supports their views. Thats the funny thing. The other funny thing is, I will be more active in religion than any of the idiots misquoting and abusing the Bible on here.

  • dad4justice

    Oh great, they can have a designer marraige then go shopping and adopt a designer baby.

    Marriage is between a man and a woman. End of story. Stop the social engineering experiment kiwi. Think of the children.

    • Kosh103

      If we to really think of the kids, going on the child abuse stats, straights would not be allowed to have any.

      • dad4justice

        So normal parents are called “straights” now Kosh.

        What are you smoking dude? Are you a bent dude?

      • Peter Wilson

        What are the stats Kosh? How many kids do get abused in what I would consider the highest form of marriage – fully religious married couples ? And don’t count the weird religious sects.

    • Kosh103

      LMAO ohhh dear, “normal parents” Fuck what a bigot. Such a shame you will be passing on haterid to your kids.

      • dad4justice

        Does a “bigot” pass haterid at the dinner table or what you silly lefty liar. Get a brain.

      • Kosh103

        I never live D4J – the truth is too much fun.

        You are what you are, and your kids will be the worse for it. Thankfully they will prob grow up with very different attitudes than yours. So there is still hope.

      • starboard

        why are your sort always so nasty and uptight?

      • titanuranus

        Hatred, FFS the word is Hatred.

      • Steve (North Shore)

        ‘ haterid ‘ is more fun. Stem out the ears and stupidity negates spellcheck and proofing

  • Kosh103

    Ohhhh so according to you peterW, if you are not religious, a man and a woman, then your marriage is invalid?

    Or is this your little way of defending the level of child abuse carried out by hetrosexuals?

    • Peter Wilson

      I’m genuinely interested in the abuse stats for religious church going families. Aren’t you?

      And of course there is a pecking order for relationships; why else would some on here be arguing for equal treatment for same sex marriages.

      I still don’t get why you can’t just label things for what they are. I got married in a church and have always felt a hypocrite for having done so, like I was kind of cheating the church as I wasn’t a churchgoer. I’d like to think if I was gay, I’d feel likewise wanting a “marriage,” as opposed to a “same sex marriage.”

      • Kosh103

        A pecking order??? Oh good lord.

        Your hang ups are your hang ups. Dont lump them onto others. A hetor marriage in a church is as equal as one on a beach. A gay cu in a church is not equal to either of those other 2, as there had to be a spl little grp made to protect all the scared hetros from us evil gays.

        Helen NEVER should have settled for second best, she should have just made it marriage for all. She had the votes and the public support. She should have done it.

      • Peter Wilson

        Shame on you Kosh! Hangups indeed. Why so defensive?

        How do you define equal anyway? Surely it’s about how you feel, not how others make you feel. Why do you need a heterosexual label, which is what marriage is, to make you feel normal, and equal.

      • Pukakidon

        Peter, What a bag of bollocks.  You are not superior to others because you and your wife finally went to church to get married you are hypocris.   What a holier than thou twat you are thinking that you are morally superior than others.

      • Kosh103

        Ahhh peterW, spoken like someone who has always had the law on their side when it comes to who they are.

        I doubt you will ever understand why opening marriage up to everyone would make NZ far more equal than it is.

  • Kosh103

    Something else to piss off the fucktards.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10789513

    Good on them. Love is just fantastic.

    • The Marines Piece?  Yeah just read it myself – bloody awesome (and courageous knowing the Senate has just lifted the Don’t Ask Dont Tell Policy?)

      Shit that is going to get The Tea Party fuming – time to do what we do with used Tea (bags) flush it down the sink or in their case Boston Harbour 

      • Kosh103

        LOL – I just love the fact that the Republicans who attempted to block this with sooo much hate have been yet again proven wrong. The world didnt end, the army didnt fall to bits, combat ability wasnt imparied and many of his fellow marines dont give a fuck about his sexuality.

        Score one for the good guys.

  • BJ

    If marriage  by definition – look up wikipedia or any dictionary –  is used to describe the more or less durable connection between a male and a female lasting beyond the mere act of propagation  
    till after the birth of the offspring – Why would couples in a same sex union want to say they are married. It makes no sense to me. Marriage is what it is – why change it. Do people really think it gives them better status when the definition doesn’t fit their relationship because they don’t procreate together.  Why want it to be called something that it is not?

    • Pukakidon

       “durable connection between a male and a female lasting beyond the mere act of propagation till after the birth of the offspring”

      Things have changed, how many marriages are durable? I would suggest very little.

      • BJ

        The point is – the intent is to stick around together after the outcome of the act of propagation between a man and a woman resulting in another human being created out of that ‘union’. This definition has been around infinitum. As I said why would two people of the same gender, who’s sexual connection does not result in another human being and have the intention of sticking together want to call it a marriage. It is a ‘civil union’ or any other name you want  to make up. The principal of this commitment is around words like joined,together,linked or combined – not the word marriage that is very clear is about a man and a woman.
        Find your own word for it – marriage is already taken just like a copyright or domain name.

    • Kosh103

      Marriage is, and always has been. what we have made it to be.

      And if wikipedia is the last word on ANY subject then God help us.

      •  Dammit Kosh, thats twice in a week i have had to agree with you.

      • Another point to Mr Kosh – heck at this rate….

    • Pukakidon

       BJ,   You are only talking 500 years since the church has been involved with marriage, and we know how they put their bigotted slight and control on everything.   Prior to this marriage was just an agreement between two adaults in most cases between a man and a woman.

      However long before this the Roman emperor Nero, AD 54 to 68 married men twice. So gay boys have been getting married for two thousand years, much longer than the churches hijacking of the institute of marriage.   I would not put all my faith in Wikipedia as it is very wrong in many areas

      So if we are talking tradition then Ali and her girl should be able to get married, who are we to stop them

      • BJ

        I here what you are saying and I support same sex legal declarations of commitment but why call it marriage? Why won’t someone that wants to call it that – answer my question? What is the difference of rights?

      • Pukakidon

         BJ

        Then you are talking about getting married in a church of specific denomination that has homophobic beliefs.  Marriage is Marriage, two entities coming together as one…   I would support a church marriage that is tolerant of all races and or sexual orientation.   Therefore if there is such a church, and I suspect the one you were married in is not one, then I hope they would allow same sex to get marriage.  This is why I despise many Christian churchs as they do not walk the talk.    However it is the government that represents us, and unfortunately they prohibit same sex marriage in thier church.

    • carpentaro

      It is an effort to redefine terms. Political correctness.
      Make something normal that is not normal.

  • Travdog

    Did that moron starboards comment get deleted? It was quite amusing to read the retards anti gay comment and spewing homophobic bile about “my sort”, newsflash retard, I’m a man engaged to a woman, but nice job putting so much effort to wedge your foot in your mouth.

    PS: when I referred to you and “your sort” I was meaning homophobes, not heterosexuals you moron.

    Not even a facepalm is enough for this one…

    • Steve P
      • Travdog

        cheers Steve, had already found it.

    • Peter Wilson

      I dont get why labels like homophobes get used. To me it’s akin to climate change deniers, Maori bashers and the like. ie Give someone a negative label when you don’t have a proper argument to negate their point of view.

      • Travdog

        ” Give someone a negative label when you don’t have a proper argument to negate their point of view.”

        Seriously Peter? once you wash the sand from your ears and eyes, look up the definition of Homophobia, then go and look at starboards comments.

        The “negative label” is given to the one expressing the negative and discriminating attitude, not all those that don’t really agree with peoples right to be gay. That is why labels like homophobic are used.

        “don’t have a proper argument”…….for crying out loud…

    • I don’t delete comments unless it is really truly offensive…usually I leave it there to show what a fool the commenter is.

      • Travdog

        no my mistake, was another thread.

    • starboard

      Such abuse..such nastiness..such anger..all traits of the common homosexual.

  • MrV

    The only answer to this complex question is for the state to remove itself from ‘marriage’ altogether. Go back to how it was in ancient times:
    “In Ancient Greece, no specific civil ceremony was required for the creation of a marriage – only mutual agreement and the fact that the couple must regard each other as husband and wife accordingly.”

    • Steve P

      “Go back to how it was in ancient times… In Ancient Greece…”
      Yeah ok, I’m sure that’ll go down a treat:

      “Marriages in ancient Greece were arranged by the parents of the intended bride and groom. A financial arrangement was made between the families in the form of a dowry…Divorces were easily arranged. The man would have to pay back, in cash, the remaining dowry money to his wife’s parents. Divorces were granted on many grounds; for example, if the wife could not bear children….”

      http://www.historylink102.com/greece3/marriage.htm 

  • Agent BallSack

    I have an openly gay cousin, he has been out for years, since before it was trendy to be gay and out, we love and cherish him like any other family member (because he is). If I was to say anything about this all, I agree with the majority of pro marriage statements here. Disagree strongly with the people who say de facto marriages are not as strong as real ones, tell that to my kids and partner. Our loyalty to each other is undeniable, we could leave at any time and don’t – yet watch ‘marriages’ split up around us every year. I am atheist and could not give a shit what the bible says about it all, IMO people who quote the bible to make a point are either covering up something in their lived (Graham Capill anyone?) or have no succint argument or opinions of their own.

  • AnonWgtn

    I see Mau and her husband are to be paid $100,000 by a woman’s magazine for “nuptual” (sic) pictures.
    She has got useless in Fair Go, as has the whole programme.

  • Monkeygirl

    Let’s have a true separation of church and state. Get rid of ‘marriage’ certificates, stick with ‘civil union’ certification for all (opposite sex and same sex couples) and then allow couples to make any commitments in a church etc as they decide for their own relationsip  

    Or, remove the religious suggestion of the word ‘marriage’ and allow marriage certificates for all and you can wed wherever you like  

    Level playing field

  • titanuranus

    “It doesn’t have ANY effect on your life. What do you care? People try to talk about it like it’s a social issue. Like when you see someone stand up on a talk show and say ‘How am I supposed to explain to my child that two men are getting married?’ I dunno, it’s your shitty kid, you fuckin’ tell ’em. Why is that anyone else’s problem? Two guys are in LOVE but they can’t get married because YOU don’t want to talk to your ugly child for five fuckin’ minutes?” – comedian Louis CK on gay marriage.

  • Bunswalla

    @ Groans quoting Romans 1:26-27 – what have the romans ever done for us?

  • Agent BallSack

    I have issues with anyone bringing religion into this issue. This is about love not religion. Leave your fucked up beliefs at the door or you are no better that the Sharias who force marriage on 10 and 12 year old girls and expect it to be consummated. Or better still tell us which religion you follow so we can point out the hypocrisy in your specific and respective beliefs. Religion does not have a monopoly on marriage.

    • Agent BallSack

      Just as an aside I think love and religion are mutually exclusive.

      • Bunswalla

        Quite right ABS, so are religion and intelligence

    • Peter WIlson

      Why the hangup about religion? Everyone’s belief system is basically a religion, whether you’re a greenie, a right winger or a homosexual. The only one I have a problem is an atheist, by definition, someone that bases their belief on, well, nothing.

      • Kosh103

        Homosexuality is not a belief system. Do try to educate yourself.

      • titanuranus

        If atheism is a religion , then not collecting stamps is a hobby.
        But keep the faith Pete, do whatever you need to prevent yourself from thinking.

  • @BJ. You can have a child without being married. It’s called fucking. 

    • Bunswalla

      And you can do fucking without having a child. It’s called a BJ…

  • carpentaro

    Why is it that most secular humanists couldn’t give a rip about marriage between a man and a woman, wife, spouse has been replaced with “partner”. But when two same sex want to get together, they’ve GOT to be married?

    • titanuranus

      Not quite enough straw in that argument to start a fire , but you get a prize for missing the point by a country mile.

    • Peter WIlson

      Very good point. It’s come full circle eh. Marriage, and labels like husband, wife, became out of fashion, and now it’s back in vogue. Gay people have discovered it’s a way to get up straight peoples noses and they’re going for it! Good for them!

      • Kosh103

        Oh please, it has nothing to do with straight people. Good lord, the ego.

  • i8leso

    In the eyes of the lord a marriage is between a man and a women. Maybe they can have thier reception at KFC, its finger licking good and they all can have snack boxes

    • Bunswalla

      The “lord” doesn’t have any eyes. The “lord” is made up and exists only in your mind, so it doesn’t matter if two men or two women want to get married.

    • Kosh103

      Did the Lord tell you this? Because there is no proof in scripture to support that statement.

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