Gays have lower divorce rates

Andrew Sullivan

It seems that homosexual couples in a civil union have a much lower divorce rate than straight couples and even lesbian couples:

There’s some fascinating and counter-intuitive data that back it up (it’s not apples to apples since civil partnerships do not carry the social status of civil marriages, but it’s not far off, since British CPs are identical in rights to CMs.) But this is a striking result:

The most recent evidence from the UK Office of National Statistics finds that homosexual couples that joined in 2005 were significantly less likely to have filed for dissolution four years later than heterosexual couples were to have filed for divorce: 2.5% compared to 5.5%. As Hattersley points out, however, male couples were much less likely to dissolve their relationship than were female couples: By the end of 2010, 1.6 % of male civil partnerships had ended in dissolution compared to 3.3 % of female partnerships.

This data may shift again over time. But who predicted that gay marriages would have lower divorce rates than straight marriages? Not me. And who predicted that gay men would last longer in marriage than lesbians? No one. So the one thing Jesus insisted on in marriage – no divorce – is now best upheld by gay male marriages. (Cut to Gary Bauer’s head exploding.)

It looks like homosexual couples respect the sanctity of marriage a whole lot more than heterosexueals even if they can’t actually get married. Time for a bit of equality I think.


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  • Razorlips81

    You should change your name to Gayle Oil Hooked on Butt Plugs. What is with your fixation and support for gays? Their so called union last longer because anything goes I guess!

    • your a dick shut up there showin interest and support. just cause gays are different dosent mean that you can discriminate against them like seriously its not thier choice and just to clear things up they are the same their humans just different likings. its not like you go around discriminateing against people who dont like chocolate so yea. and one more thing. “BEING GAY ISN’T VOLURNTARY HATERED IS” now i think i have made my point

  • starboard

    Dont believe it. More like kosh has hacked into the system and distorted the results. Damn gay leftys will do anything to try and win their argument. 

    • Kosh103

      We dont have to try and win the argument, we have won.

      Now it is just a case of getting the homophobic bigots to understand they have lost.

      • starboard

        youve won diddly sqat kosh…you and your ilk are still in the minority and always will be.

      • Kosh103

        And yet starboard your kind are a dying breed, and us queers, poofs, homos will be here forever.

      • starboard

        You are the dying breed kosh. Wallow in human excrement and pay the price.  

      • Agent BallSack

        And yet starboard your kind are a dying breed, and us queers, poofs, homos will be here forever.”

        Kosh you have said some pretty fucking stupid things but that one has to be one of the worst. Do yourself a favour and back the fuck away from the crack pipe!

      • Fergus

        Personally…I don’t care…and it’s none of my busines what you do in your bedroom……so why are you invading my space with your personal sexual, exploits and preferences…..KEEP IT TO YOURSELF. All the gay people (women and men) I have associated with, it was common knowledge that they were gay, but they NEVER felt the need to (at risk of bring out the sick jokes)…shove it down our throats. They got on with life and their sexual preferences were left as ONLY part of who they are!!

      • Kosh103

        Are you making the claim ballsack that gays will not be here for as long as hetros?

        Seriously?  Is this the claim you are making.

        What price is that Star? Having to put up with idiots like you? We can live with that, becuase it gives idiots like you pain to know we are going no where, and are everywhere.

      • Agent BallSack

        I am merely stating that if it weren’t for heteros there would be no gays. If the entire world was suddenly turned gay tomorrow, we would be the last generation. I have no problems with you being gay or gay marriage but to say heteros are a dying breed is nothing but codswallop. Unless of course male to male & female to female sex creates babies? If so 4th form science lied to me.

      • Kosh103

        LMAO – ohhh dear. I never said hetros were a dying breed.

        I said homophobic bigots were a dying breed,

  • Redneck

    Male homosexuals in particular do not define “fidelity” in terms of sexual behaviour (like married heteros overwhelmingly do) but in terms of emotional commitment to one another. In other words, unlike heterosexuals, homosexual men do not define sleeping around as unfaithfulness, unless one of those outside encounters becomes a threat to the core relationship. Evidence of this is everywhere. A couple of years back staff writers at were discussing a refusal by a major internet dating site (, I think it was) to accept gay-targeted adverts about safe sex. They did so on the grounds that bombarding the site with gay sexual health advertising would change the tone of the site where most people went to looking for a long term relationship and companionship. And as GayNZ conceded:

     “friendship and dating may be the norm for some users of dating websites, but for gay men, hooking up for sex is clearly prevalent, just as a couple of minutes trawling through dating sites will reveal”

    (Interestingly, in the same GayNZ article, an online survey revealed that 83% of the respondents reported that they were willing to engage in sexual acts without condoms with strangers.)

    But I digress. Here’s the reality. Gay “marriage” is a defining issue for Western Civilization, not just any individual country that adopts it. Homsexual activists are not just seeking a minor shift in the current marriage legislation, but a huge tectonic shift in the fundamental institution that forms the basis of every prosperous, civil society. Be careful what you wish for.

  • Yet more of this queer crap.

    Whale- watch this video. Let Allan West put you right on a fucking issue that you seem obsessed about but nobody else really gives a damn for.


    Or the embed code-

    (maybe it will work.

    • Kosh103

      We all care about particular issues more than other issues, so please do not presume to tell me what to think.


    Incredible, Whaleoil makes a fact based post which runs contrary to his readership’s bigotry, and they all turn on him. Do you trust Whaleoil to tell you the truth, or do you merely want him to agree with your preconceived prejudices? 

    • Kosh103

      They do this all the time. As long as Cam says stuff they like they are all happy campers. As soon as he shows he is not as far right and bigoted as some of them are, they attack him.

      • nzd.gbp

        Oh please Kosh. Gay rights has nothing to do with left or right. You call people who hate professional bureaucracy far right. If you want to start aligning gay rights with that sort of world view then you’ll lose my support straight away. It seems to be a tendency with you lefties to take the good and package it up with the insane and try to make us swallow it all as if it’s yours to dictate. And while I’m at it, who is this “they” you are talking about? You’re a dick.

      • Kosh103

        More often than not nzd you will find that those who oppose gay rights are on the right wing. Yes there are homophobic pricks on the left, and a few in the Labour party for sure.

        But most are on the right.

      • nzd.gbp

        Ok so now you’re generalising. I guess if you’re an administrator then that’s how you like to see the world. What I’m trying to say to you is that you have friends on the economically conservative side of the planet who you seem happy to insult because they believe in low taxes and sound money. It betrays your real concerns. It’s like the greens who try to make us accept that caring for our beautiful planet goes hand in hand with some evil communist dictatorship, run by them of course. It’s like a cardboard box of shit for breakfast with chocolate sprinkles. 

      • Kosh103

        Tell me NZD, how many gay rights have the right in this country voted for or whole heartedly supported?

        Come on, lets have the list then. And then we can discuss the comments made by the likes of John Banks on the night the Homosexual Reform Act was passed. Shall we see what a becon of right wing morals he was on that night?

    • Travdog

      I don’t think Redbaiter, starboard and Redneck count as “they all”. I think you’ll find…if you spend more time here….that the majority of us don’t agree with the axis of assholes.

      • starboard

        ew look its travdog swinging his handbag around…bit tichy today eh , kosh not lookin after ya?

      • Travdog

        knew I’d spark a reaction from the axis of assholes.

    • Peter Wilson

      So, you are asking us to assume what you say is correct? That we all have preconcieved prejudices? Such generalizations label you as a left winger, not that there’s anything wrong with that.

      Of course we don’t trust WO to tell the truth, only to give his honest opinion. Sorry to break this to you, he hasn’t reached messiah status yet.

  • Razorlips81

    I just love the poison leftie hate speech! They love the word bigot! They think that we are all going to bow down to their level! Call me a bigot, call me a racist, homophobic, Islamophbia and so it goes on, I do not care! But the misguided West is creating its own doom! Some are like an autoimmune disease killing our morals!  

    • Kosh103

      I am very sure you are all of those things.

      • Razorlips81

        Like I said: I DO NOT CARE!!!

      • starboard

        beats being a raving poofter

      • nzd.gbp

        O.M.G. I am out of here.

    • Rufus Hargreaves

       Kosh – you say you have won the arguement – yet you have never yet put up a reasonable arguement gay marriage.

      Neither has Cam.

      Cam is still running the tired and juvenile “marriage equality” line – yet has never bothered to explain to us “bigots” how the current situation is “unequal”.

      Fact is, you have the same right to get married as me.  If however you want the state to recognise a homosexual relationship, you have to get a civil union.

      To get your ultimate wish, you have to destroy the universal, timeless, accepted definition of marriage.

      Now give me a logical reason why we should do that.

      • Kosh103

        LMAO the universal, timeless acceepted………… oh dear God, seriously?????? Your claiming this????????

        FLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Go learn history.

  • Kosh103

    I know the truth hurts NZD. Run away now.

    Oh and star, being a raving poof beats being a hater any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

    • Fergus

      In your case Kosh…the two things are not mutually exclusive!!!

    • Rufus

      yes Kosh, because you have clearly shown by your behaviour here that you don’t hate – at all.

      / sarc

      • Kosh103

        Oh but I do. I hate homophobic fucktard bigots. And I am happy to say that. I hate the way they use bullshit lies to support the view that homosexuals are not equal, dont deserve the same rights etc…..

        SO whats your point?

      • Rufus

         Right, so you admit to being a raving poof (your words) and a hater (again, your words).

        That’s that cleared up then.

      • Kosh103

        Rufus, yes Im gay, yes I hate homophobic bigots. I also hate the line of thinking that lead to the holocaust, I hate rasist bigots, I hate chlid abusers.

        Can you please point out how any of those things are bad.

      • Rufus

         Kosh – Jesus loved.

        Hate leads to holocaust.

        Less hate, more love.

      • Kosh103

        Words perhaps those who oppose the right for gays to marry should consider.

        Oh and Christ himself condemed the actions of a few types of people, again, something for those who oppose gay marriage to consider.

    • dad4justice

      Only James Sleep could write such garbage. I did wonder where the liarbour cabin boy did vanish to . Kosh has been outed. Go away you stupid boy!

      • Kosh103

        What are you babbling about noe D4J? Are you demonstrating your stupidity again?

    • nzd.gbp

      Sorry Kosh, it was after 1 am my time so had to have a wee nap. You are your own worst enemy. I couldn’t stand sharing comment space with someone who says things like “beats being a raving poofter” so I thought sleep would be a better use of my time. You still don’t get the point I’m trying to make. I am fully supportive of gay marriage. 100%. But that doesn’t seem to be enough for you. You are determined to make people like me claim allegiance with the halfwits on this site who think it’s their right to have veto in a law that has no impact on them whatsoever. They are collectivists and morons and that is not who I am. You are a moron because you are trying to sell a bunch of shit with a good cause and in the process are making it more difficult for those of us who genuinely sympathise with Gay’s desire to be equal under the law. I say sympathise not empathise because I honestly don’t understand why you need govt approval for your relationships but apparently you do and it’s no skin off my nose so good for you. Your left vs right world view on every moral issue is retarded and self defeating.

      • Kosh103

        Please do tell me what shit I am selling?

        Is it adoption rights? That homophobic bigots are fucktards? Cant be gay marriage seeing as you say yu suport it.

        So please do tell me.

      • nzd.gbp

        That explains it then. You honestly don’t know what you’re saying so I forgive you. You are trying to tell me that the left are the enlightened individualists and deserve credit for liberating us all to live in peace and govt backed respect. They are not. They are, first and foremost, interested in well paid careers in administration. They view the world, as you do, through models and that means making generalisations and claiming all the good causes and stating that the only way to achieve right outcomes is to band together under the state and then cranking the handle and watch all those beautiful units of harmony flow forth. You can have your Gay marriage and adoption with my full support but I reserve the right to say what ever I like even if it offends you. Leftie govts bring in hate speech laws. That is too much for me to swallow and it tastes like shit.

      • Kosh103

        Oh NZD, what rubbish. I am not saying all the left are deviod of homophobic fools. Not once have I ever claimed that. Does the right wing have more, hell yes – a LOT more, but the left is far from perfect so please dont play the twist the words game with me.

        And as for hate speech, there is genuine hate speech out there, and if that tastes like shit to you, too bad.

      • nzd.gbp

        you’re a right little dictator aren’t you? “too bad” is your response to me hating the idea of govt approved loves and hates. You are campaigning for a regime where the govt gives approval for who you can love and hate and they decide what you can say about it. 
        You don’t want to live in that world. I may have to do your thinking for you. It’s in your best interests. Too bad.

  • A-random-reader

    It’s a bit sad that almost nobody here is actually discussing the content of WO’s post.

    I haven’t been to the Auckland Zoo for many years but this discussion reminds me of the old spider monkey cage. The monkeys used to hang on to the wire mesh and piss on anybody that walked past.


      And throw shit. Guess they learnt to type.

      • Yeah, showing how to set The Standard these days. Although spider monkeys had nothing on the chimps when it came to full openess of shit slinging, pissing into the wind, casual sex in front of the public and committing cold blooded murder and attacks upon each other

    • Engineer

       Actually Redneck did try and talk about the actual content.  And he (I assume) brings up a valid point, if gay men don’t have the same definition of fidelity then the whole argument with the stats from the article is pointless.

      • Kosh103

        I think you will find that the argument gay men have a differnt definition of fiedliety is a bit of a red hearing.

        There are more than a few hetros who view fiedelity very differently to its traditional meaning.

  • James

    I seethe “loving Christ-like Christians”are using their holy day to indulge in hatred and evil ….. surprise surprise…..their day of judgements going to be mighty awkward when they have to atone for their  actions before their God….

    • Not this one. Busy tending to the jungle out the back, entertaining family and drinking beer to be indulging in hatred and evil

    • dad4justice

      Oh shut up James and give big blouse a kiss from me you jerk!

  • Peter Wilson

    Interesting. How do they get divorced when it’s incompatible for gays to marry in the first place?

    The debate over the so-called rights for homesexual adoption/marriage has probably run its course, I suspect. It’s a little like debating whether apples should be called oranges.

  • starboard

    They dont have any right to marriage…I thought we covered that one off.

    • Kosh103

      No, bigots think they have but we are still fighting for that right.

      • Rufus

         Interesting Kosh – you keep talking about rights – you have the same rights as myself to get married.

        You don’t want equal rights – you want more.

        You want to destroy marriage to suit your little world.

      • Rufus

         As for everyone who disagrees with you being a hetero homophobic bigot and a hater:

        Kosh – how do you deal with a homosexual man who disagrees with you?

        You can’t play the man on that one. 

        How about playing the ball and rebutting his arguments against gay marriage?

      • Kosh103

        Oh rufus you do talk garbage.

        We do not have the same equal rights as straights.

        But please do tell me, how allowing gays to marry, fully marry, will destroy your marriage. Oh please do tell me.

      • Kosh103

        And Rufus, as for your link, I would say to him – so you are happy not having the same rights as hetros?

        He admits that the alternative unions do not give gays all the same rights, but he is happy with this.

        So I would ask him, is he happy being considered a second class citizen by the law and by people who would like to see his sexuality illegalised again.

      • Rufus

         Kosh – you have the same right as me to marry. 

        All you have to do is find someone of the opposite sex and get hitched.

        Those are equal rights.

        Now please explain to me what rights of yours are being denied you.

      • Rufus

         Kosh – you cannot fully marry because marriage is defined as between one man and one woman.

        If you want something else, you don’t want marriage – you want something else.

        If you want to “marry” someone of the same sex – you cannot, as this is not waht “marry” means.

        So you have to fuck up marriage to get what you want.

        Get it?

      • Kosh103

        Being able to MARRY my man. Being able to marry a person of the same sex. So please dont try that bullshit argument oh but you can marry a woman approach.

        Its plain stupid when people try it.

      • Kosh103

        Oh and rufus, any argument that include “oh you want to fuck up marriage” is pathetic. Becuase it clearly shows a lack of historical knowledge, as well as current knowledge on how marriage is nothing more than a disposable thing to many hetros.
        Try again. But this time try and use your brain.

      • Rufus

         Kosh – the legal definition of marry involves one man and one woman.

        You have the same right to marry, according to that definition.

        Anything else is not marriage.

        Now please tell me if you do or do not have the same right to marry as I do.

        If you want to “marry” in any other way, you are not “marrying”.

        You need to change the meaning of “marry” to “marry” a guy.

        You are then changing it to something it isn’t – something unrecognisable.

        The fact that many heteros do not hold to their marriage vows does not change its definition or meaning.

        Try again.

      • Rufus

         Kosh, any argument that includes “its plain stupid when people try it” is pathetic.

        Try again.

      • Kosh103

        No rufus, I do not have the same rights to marry as you do. You have the right to marry the person you love.

        I do not.

      • Rufus

         Kosh, you are being both dishonest and ingenious here.

        Under the current law, with the current definitions, do you or do you not have the same right to marry as anyone else?

        (apart from minors, which is an actual inequality)

      • Kosh103

        Ahhh the argument of those with the power.

        No I am being neither Rufus, I am being 100% honest. I DO NOT have the right to marry the person I love. However you do.

        You can try to twist it and turn it as much as you like. But the FACT is I DO NOT have the right to marry the person I love because of my sexuality.

    • Peter Wilson

      Yes it is true Starboard, the clear consensus was that so-called “adoption/marriage equality” was a non-issue, however we’re quite happy to have the issue revisited, if there’s new information. We have open minds here.

      • starboard

        see above Pete…read the excellent link and come back to me.

  • Gazzadelsud

    why on earth do you still read andrew sullivan??  he jumped the shark years ago, and to think I even used to subscribe to his blog and paid US$40 in his subscription drives.

    But when he discovered that his mancrush on george W bush wouldnt get bush over the line on gay marriage, sullivan became a nasty petulant enemy of anyone who got in the way of his single issue.

    Most people have decided that his drugs and medication have overwhelmed his judgement, and now he is just a caricature who really only has one song to play, but plays it real loud.

    its a shame Cam that you’ve come late to Sullivan, back in the early 2000’s he was pretty good, but I havent bothered reading him for years, and will never follow a link to him.

  • Kosh103

    Rufus – given marriage has been tweeked, changed, altered etc over history to suit the needs of the society there would be zero distruction of it if we changed the law to allow same sex marriage.

    How would me being able to marry make your marriage any less than it is? Answer that.

    • BJ

      Kosh you feel like a second class citizen, that is your sense of inferiority not anything that has been imposed on you and damned if I’ll ever agree to the demise of ‘marriage’ as defined  just so you don’t feel inferior.  

      If you are proud to be gay and sincerely comfortable with that place you are in then why the need to alter a ‘straight’ institution to suit you? You keep trying to convince heterosexuals that you getting married doesn’t affect us- that its no big deal – so I’d say what’s the big deal about you accepting we don’t want you to get married like us.

  • umm one thing anyone that discriminates against gays and this article
    your a dick shut up there showin interest and support. just cause gays are different dosent mean that you can discriminate against them like seriously its not thier choice and just to clear things up they are the same their humans just different likings. its not like you go around discriminateing against people who dont like chocolate so yea. and one more thing. “BEING GAY ISN’T VOLURNTARY HATERED IS” now i think i have made my point