Gotcha Politics back on the agenda

NZ Herald

David Shearer has said that he wouldn’t partake in “gotcha” politics and yet today there he is playing gotcha politics over Judith Collins:

Labour leader David Shearer did not think Ms Collins had much of a case against his MPs.
“If it does go to court I think it will us an opportunity to open the books on what’s there, in terms of emails texts and phone calls from Judith Collins.”

It certainly looks like David Shearer is well captured  by the nasties of Labour and Trevor Mallard.

 


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  • In Vino Veritas

    Captured indeed. And in saying he thought Collins didn’t have much of a case, he’s also become something of a lawyer.

  • Kosh103

    I am beginning to wonder if people actually understand what an opposition is ment to do.

    It is not to be nice to the Govt – it is to catch them out, keep them honest, and hound them if they refuse to answer questions.

    • Blokeintakapuna

      or to offer real alternatives, not election bribes, whilst trying to better the country – yet one only needs to watch a “Parlimentary debate” to see adults behaving like spoilt petulant children that haven’t got their way… well, the ones from the Left do anyway… 

      • Polishpride

        They ALL do it all parties and yet we persist with this system that is clearly broken on so many levels 

    • BW_Lord

      In part I agree Kosh, this is the basics of politics. And whether that is a good/bad thing is another debate.
      Yet Shearer was trying to build an image of keeping out of Gotcha Politics, which lasted all of a few weeks. Was never going to last and was a foolish stance to begin with.

      • Kosh103

        Shearer should just come out and say, Damm right we are going to play gotcha politics, damm right we are going to call the Govt out if they screw up, and we are NOT going to say sorry for it either. So if you cant deal with it, then leave politics.

      • CJA

         So basically you are agreeing that Labour actually has no policies and can only win by flinging shit. Sounds like a bunch of chimps at the zoo quite frankly (please note in reply to Kosh not BW).

      • Kosh103

        No CJA –  I am saying they are the opposition and people need to understand how that works.

    • Positan

      Kosh – if you haven’t already done so, you really should join the Labour Party. As most of its parliamentary members are there simply because they couldn’t remotely equal its perks and its opportunities for trough-hogging anywhere else, I’m sure your views would utterly fascinate them.  

      Labour’s view of opposition has always been that it is far better than not being in parliament altogether.  It’s just a place where they must wait and play and endeavour to sling mud, so that their shrinking legions of fatuous supporters might believe they’re actually doing something, no matter how misdirected.  If you don’t believe me, just look over today’s list of parliamentary questions on KiwiBlog. You’ll be riveted by their total inconsequence.

    • In Vino Veritas

      Kosh, your understanding of what an opposition is meant to do is childish and your post confirms a large measure of immaturity on your part.

      An opposition, in representing an alternative Government, holds the goverment accountable, so as they remain answerable to the public. Opposition debates legislation and produces alternative policies where necessary and appropriate.

      All the while, concentrating on issues that matter. Scrutiny and accountability are covered by question and debate time (and contrary to your statement, ministers must answer the questions put to them, other than in very specific circumstances, eg; when the matter is part of judicial process. I’m not sure where you think allowing a minister to be defamed comes into this. (and whether or not she has been defamed will be decided in a court of law).

      • Kosh103

        As I said, I dont think many, and I count you among them, understands the real job of an opposition.

        Oh and for the record, oppositions dont win elections, Govts lose them.

      • In Vino Veritas

        I now understand Kosh, why so many on this site are so scathing of you. It is  unfortunate and sad for you, that your actual intellect is so negatively correlated to your own view of it. 

      • Polishpride

        In reply to In Vino Veritas  The thing I find so amusing on this site is that many of the blinkered right wingers on here can’t seem to argue a point without resorting to insulting the person their comment is directed at. And in this instance you had the audacity to call Kosh Childish !!??!!  Seriously…
        The reality is, is that Koshes explanation is bang on and it is what happens in NZ politics no matter what side is in opposition.
        It should in fact be as you have stated VV but the reality is that it is not and has not been for a very long time.     

      • Kosh103

        Oh vino, when people such as yourself start making those sorts of comments I know I am on the correct path.

    • Wayne

      Oh really! what about focusing on the state of the economy, education, health, crime etc.  But no, the left have absolutely no idea of economic matters and, accordingly resort to digging up meaningless shit on the opposition and then throwing it around in the hope some of it will stick.
      Sadly for them the latest poll results confirm this long failed tatic of theirs continues to deliver absolutely nothing in terms of popularity for them.
      Sad bunch of losers.

      • Polishpride

        The state of the Economy – This will be in worse shape through nationals policy once you take into account the entire picture and the downstream impacts on businesses and the economy as a whole. This of course as I’ve outlined in previous posts is as a result of a drop in consumer spending as a result of the public sector cuts.
        Add to that selling the assets given their current rate of return vs interest paid on money borrowed.
        But then we could always just stop borrowing from a fractional reserve system that creates money out of thin air and loans it to countries like ours and charges us interest on money they never had in the first instance.
        Health – thats a resounding success especially when modern medicine is New Zealands 3rd or 4th biggest cause of death in this country.

            

    • Troy

      Kosh go watch the start of question time today, where Bill English sought leave to make a correction to an answer previously given – Mallard objected. That is unprecedented.  A correction is a correction and to deny an MP to make one just shows Mallard’s nastiness – sure it’s their job to hold Govt to account, but they should at least allow them to correct previous responses.  Stupid man.

      • Euan Rt

        Did you notice those huge dark bags under Mallards’ eyes? Dues to his loins, or worry I wonder?

      • Kosh103

        So take that up with Mallard.

  • Evan Johnson

    I can’t see how this can be interpreted as “Gotcha” politics from David Shearer.  Nothing startling here at all.  Just routine opposition leadership.

    • Kosh103

      You will find that the right on here dont like the opposition pointing out the rather large flaws in the National party.

      • In Vino Veritas

        And I’m sure Kosh, that you will list those flaws and lay them bare for all here to see?

      • Pete George

        If the opposition just highlighted flaws in the Government parties while at the same time working on rebuilding their own party and contributing positively to the normal parliamentary workload then you might have a point.

        But when the opposition keeps overstating, overegging, misinforming and making a general nuisance of themselves on the barest of excuses then your point is diminished somewhat.

        There’s far too much hubris so the serious holding to account mostly get lost in the noise. First rule of any relationship – pick your fights. Instead Labour are seen as incessant whiners.

      • Gazzaw

        Kosh, I find your lack of understanding of this issue quite astounding. I mistakenly thought that you had quite a good grasp of how an Opposition works and its parliamentary function. You don’t.

      • Kosh103

        The job of opposition is to make the Govt look bad any way they can. People need to stop bitching when the opposition does this.

        I am willing to bet the right wingers on here would be cheering the opposition on if the opposition was the National party. And they will get a chance to do that after the next election when they are.

    •  What a load of bollocks Evan. The issue here is that David Shearer is taking up a position which is 180 degrees opposed to the position he adopted in February when he addressed Grey Power.

      In case you missed it, one of the biggest criticisms of Phil Goff was his constant changes in position on issues. It seems that Shearer is doing exactly the same.

      http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2012/04/shearers-gotcha-disconnect.html

      • Pete George

        Also similar to Goff, Shearer doesn’t come across as a convincing political attacker, looks like his heart isn’t in the Mallard methods that he seems to be allowing to take over his “leadership”.

      • Gazzaw

        It is just more proof that Shearer is not his own man. He won’t see the end of 2012 as leader at this rate and back in Somalia come 2015. 

  • thor42

    There are some areas in which “gotcha politics” will not get you very far at all. The best example is welfare reform. It is ***massively*** popular – even with many Labour supporters –  so there is very little scope for gotcha politics there.  

    • Polishpride

      please tell your not trying to insinuate that National ARE fiscally responsible…
      getting the country into debt to fund the tax cuts !!??!! There simply isn’t a better example of fiscal irresponsibility.

      • Peter Wilson

        So, you’d be quite happy for rates to go up to pay for councillors trips to Disneyland, or to fund MP superannuation.

        Simple really.

        More tax/rates = more opportunity to waste our money
        Less tax/rates= more incentive to spend wisely.

        It’s never an answer to solve problems by simply throwing more money at them.

      • Polishpride

        to Peter Wilson 
        No one is talking about imaginary trips to disneyland we are talking about fiscal responsibility or irresponsibility of Tax cuts that effectively have to be funded by borrowing. I’m all for tax cuts but if you want to apply them as a govt find the savings elsewhere first then do your tax cuts. Don’t borrow to do it. That just falls somewhere between irresponsible and plain stupid.
          

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