Is there a Labour Civil war?

Labour and the leftwing lap-bloggers thought there was a civil war on inside National. There wasn’t because if there was I’d have been right in the middle of it spilling blood and guts all over the place.

However it is becoming clearer and clearer that there is a factional war going on inside Labour.

They are leaking like a sieve with reports of arguments, dummy spitting, and factional number counting.

Grant Robertson has been in charge of the hiring for the Leader’s Office and has largely finished his job in filling the office with loyal adherents to himself. He was even heard to boast to staffers the day after he was made Deputy Leader that everything was brilliant…”Shearer is going to stuff it up…and I will be the next leader and Prime Minister”.

The last piece of the puzzle appears to be falling into place with Stuart Nash’s expected replacement to be Alistair Cameron, a Robertson loyalist.

That has got open discussion happening now on Labour supporting blogs that Shearer’s time is up. The word from various Labour spies is they have taken to calling the Shearer leadership “The Unfortunate Experiment“. This is a particularly nasty epitet to give David Shearer but sadly that is modern Labour…nasty to the core. David Shearer unfortunately didn’t fit that mold.

Veteran Labour party watcher and somewhat of a fan-boi, Vernon Small has noticed:

Consensus, he said, was his first instinct.

It is a style Mr Shearer is making his brand; a reasonable man talking in a measured tone that rejects the politics of charisma.

To the political media present – and in a warning to Labour, only three reporters made the short hop from Wellington – it was about as dull as a leader’s speech can get.

With the Government on the ropes over issues from the pokies deal with SkyCity to Crafar farm sales and asset sales, the soft-shoe approach is not without its critics.

There is no crisis yet, but there has been some internal arm-wrestling.

Small repeats the gossip fo the nasties suggesting that Nash and Fran Mold clashed over strategy…this adds to the leaking of his leaving suggesting that all is not well as the factions start eyeing each other up across the political corpse of David Shearer.

It is notable too that the lap-bloggers at The Standard are now openly talking of the ending of “The Unfortunate Experiment“:

My suspicion is that within the very near future, maybe after another flat poll, someone close to Shearer, perhaps Trevor, will have a hard conversation with him that goes something like “you’ve done your best mate but it’s just not worked” and I think that Shearer will step down because he’s the kind of guy that would step down if he believed it was the best thing to do.

This is insider code for if you don;t go soon Shearer, Trev will be sent to plunge the knife in.

It is clear that the strategy from Mallard and others was to push Shearer forward on silly issues so that he was able to be easily blamed when the polls failed to turn.Meanwhile to hide the internal ructions in labour Trevor Mallard manufactured an alleged crisis within national that simply didn’t exist which a compliant media dutifully ran with. It is telling that the ones pushing the story the hardest are also the one seen int he company of Trevor Mallard more often than not.

Unfortunately the end of Shearer’s time as leader is no longer an ‘if’ question, rather it has become a ‘when’ question. I’d suggest it will be fore Labour Weekend now.


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  • johnbronkhorst

    It’s a vicious fight….for the last life jacket on a sinking ship!!!

  • Guest

    Oh this should be fun.  Nasty factions in the nasty party ripping each others’ throats out.  Bring it on.

  • Labourfaction

    Trevor Mallard is a vile cunt.

    • AnonWgtn

      No  – a cunt is pleasurable and useful

      • Misanthropic Curmudgeon

        Not when they are that big

    • Whafe

      He is lower than that, he is an ankle

  • Blokeintakapuna

    Yep – and hopefully once the authorities start a formal investigation surrounding  questionable union finances and the unions not complying with minimum legal reporting requirements – there will be a huge implosion of both union and Labour Party leadership as they all point the finger to each other, enticing and inciting the various factions into a swarming cess pit of self deluded, self interested egotists all vying for the opportunity to take the reins of power.
    Fortunately for NZ – they’ll shoot each other in the foot if one faction deems the other too much of a threat… whilst smiling out the other side of their face as they bury the knife… and then the only person they’ll have left to put forward as a possible contender will be Mr. Goof again. Brilliant! Poetic justice…  
    Another National government for next election – I wonder what iPredict odds are now on Labour winning the next election or even keeping Shearer as leader?

    • Quest

      Yeah bloke I agree…Labour gone awfully quite on here now that everyone is reviewing the unions accounts. I heard MSM are going to run a piece.
      What everyone still doesn’t realize is labour is only 30% not much of a base really

  • Busman

    Whale do you really think Robertson could be leadership material ?? this is the problem labour have they have no one that can control the destiny of the party.
    A Gay NZ prime minister ??? do you really think NZ are ready to let this happen ??
    I dont think so .
    There just appears to be no one that has any substance or control & no one who can tell duck to fuck off , until this happens they stand no chance.

    • Blokeintakapuna

      Crusher will give the lame duck the message… but it won’t be the one he was hoping for.

    • Mickrodge

       You mean “openly gay” don’t you?

      I really don’t think it would be an issue in New Zealand. Grant Robertson seems a reasonably personable & smart person despite being a screaming pinko.

      The fact that he’s gay IMHO wouldn’t stand in the way of him taking the reins of the Labour Party.

      Unfortunately for him, David Shearer makes Phil Goff look like the life of the party right now.

      • Sweetd

        So he is openly gay.  What else is he?  Just cause you are gay is not an automatic right to be the next PM.  Ouside the Welly beltway its a case of Grant who?  Secondly, follow Grant’s wish to be the first openly gay PM, …and this is my partner, the first man?!!?!??

      • Mickrodge

         I meant “openly gay Prime Minister”.

        And don’t get me wrong, I’m not pushing his cause I just don’t think sexuality would stop someone becoming PM here if their personality stacked up.

        I wouldn’t vote for Grant Robertson because

        a) He’s a Labour Party candidate and,

        b) He’s a sanctimonious socialist with a grotesque sense of entitlement.

        The fact he is gay I care not a jot.

      • Troy

        Shearer’s problem is, he just isn’t nasty enough – he hasn’t got that viscious attack dog streak.  I’m really cautious about Robertson though – something about him that is sneaky and underhand – yup he should do well as a Labour leader. 

    • Pukakidon

       Lucky Kosh is outside TVNZ screeching at the boy band, One Direction. Otherwise he would be on here going ballistic.

      • Kosh103

        Firstly – 1D, I dont think so.

        Secondly, the way John Key is selling NZ laws to his mates, flogging off our state assets, hammering the average worker, I think Labour could have 50 leaders between now and the next election and they will still be the next Govt in 2014.

      • Pukakidon

         I dont think so Kosh just look at the polls.   Read the local papers, they are all starting to make statements such as unemployment is dropping and the outlook is getting better. National are generating work and making the hard decisions, people see right through your parties silly nonsense.  28% Labour will never be a major party again, your friend Helun has made sure of that with her social engineering, Labour will have to take the blame for all of their whacked out watermelon policies if they every get in again.

        The problem with Labour is that they are incapable of doing research before going off half cocked, they are always found out to be lying, no matter how much Soper and his mate the Walrus try to paint a negative picture about National it does not stick.  

      • Kosh103

        Puka – National will not be the Govt after 2014. It is a few months into their 2nd term and they are falling all over themselves.

        The only reason they have not crashed in the polls is because Labour is still sorting their shit out. Once thats done Nataional are dog tucker.

      • Gazzaw

        Bit of a bugger about those Roy Morgan poll results Kosh. Shearer is doing a great job & obviously recognised as the new Messiah to lead our country out of the shit. 

      • Kosh103

        Not really Gaz. If that was the poll in say April 2014 then I would have to say Labour were rooted.

        But as its only a few months in since the last election – I still say Labour will lead the next govt.

  • Blokeintakapuna

    I wonder if Sheaer will be rolled to bring back Auntie?

    (Sorry for all those trying to digest food)

    • Gazzaw

      No I don’t think so. Clarke & H2 are done with NZ. We’ve served our purpose & sacrificed sufficiently to secure their place on the UN ladder. Next step the world!!  

    • CommonSense404

      Ha ha Bloke – little bit of sick in the mouth!

    • Kosh103

      That would be fantastic for NZ to have Helen back.

  • Super_Guest

    Grant Robertson is dreaming if he thinks this country is ready for an openly gay PM.  MJS and Clark only got in by hiding their tendencies. For one your average working class blockhead is about as racist and homophobic as they come, and that’s Labour’s base. Secondly, while I personally wouldn’t care if we had an openly gay PM (always been a fan of FInlayson) Robertson doesn’t want it for gay people, or even the NZ public he wants it for himself, his ego is bigger than his waistline (I’ve said that before but it’s a valid point).

    The man to lead the Labour party is O’Connor, unfortunately he’s been ostracised to the West Coast by the gaggle and the union hacks. Anyone else is just a Clark clone who’ll bloat the public service for no reason and pay people not to work.

    • Agent BallSack

      Have always admired O’Connor. Is one of the better of a motley crue. That’s not saying much however.

  • Gazzaw

    A gay PM might be on the cards in Auckland or Wellington but provincial NZ would not have a bar of it. And then there’s the PIs and the fundies.

    What is Cunliffe doing? His low profile is a tad ominous.

    • Kosh103

      Remind me – the words first tranny MP, what NZ electrate was she from….

      I really dont think the average kiwi doesnt care if the PM is gay, male or female or whatever. Only the haters care.

  • Agent BallSack

    The sad fact is there is no one in the Labour Caucus that NZ would vote in as PM. The only way they will get their hands on the reins of power again will be with the Greens and that thought is extremely fucking scary.

    • Sarrs

      All National have to do is point that out in the lead up to the next election – a vote for Labour is a vote for The Greens to come to power. 
      A Labour-Green-Mana-NZ First coalition. If it happens, those will certainly be interesting times in NZ. I think I would stockpile cash under my mattress in case their economic ineptitude causes our banking system to collapse. 

      • Pete George

        That was done last election. The way things are going National will be less liked, but the electorate should also be more scared of all of Labour-Green-Mana-NZ First.

        The whole would be grottier than the sum of the parts.

  • AnonWgtn

    Cunliffe if he had any sense would get out – there is no way the Gay system in Wellington that Robertson has set up will let him near any power, either in the Parliamentary system, or the associated gays in the Public Service.
    He should look outside Parliament – he has a wealthy wife who can support him while he decides where to go. He will never be on his uppers. Sometimes, even, he has a brain.

  • ConwayCaptain

    What was it that Damien O’Connor said

    “A bunch of Gays Lesbians and self serving unionists”

    How True

    • Agent BallSack

      Hence the hand in the face and don’t come to Wellington. Labour don’t like the truth, especially from one of their own. Think Chris Carter.

    • Agent BallSack

      I thought it was ‘A gaggle of gays…’. Even then he probably had to stop himself saying “A gargle of gays’

  • Sarrs

    Instead of changing the leadership (which they have tried, and that hasn’t solved their problems) why don’t they get of the toxic people in the party and see what happens? Try get rid of Mallard, King, Fenton, Curran, Dalzial et al and see what happens. 

    When I was a kid I had warts on my hands (not uncommon) and I was scared to get them burnt off because I thought it would hurt. The doctor assured me they would only have to get rid of one and all the rest would go too. One toxic, ugly piece of hand-nasty burnt and everything was fine and has been since. Could be the same for Labour – get rid of the worst one and the rest of the nasties will soon follow. 

    • Agent BallSack

      Because all those peoples sphincters pucker when they think they may be cut off from the tit Sarrs. Its tantamount to admitting they have failed, and we know Labour and Unions can’t fail, can they?

      • Sarrs

        I guess bowing out gracefully for the good of the party isn’t an option – that ship sailed a long time ago. 
        What does Labour even stand for any more? They flip flop all over the place like a dying fish.

    • Richard B.

      Thanks SARRS, nice analogy.
      Lairbour old gaurd are toxic, it’s as plain as the warts on the back of my hand.

    • Dave

      Sarrs, if you used that theory, there would be no one left at Labour, 50% are nasty, the other 50% are ineffectual fools who could not work out what is going on.

  • Agent BallSack

    Have to laugh at this comment on Te Stranded:

    Darien Fenton
    20 April 2012 at 12:04 pm
    Irish : this kind of speculative comment is just bullshit on so many fronts. And I’m sure you know it.


    So speaketh the guru of hate politics

  • Phar Lap

    Seems the message from Robertsons gaggle of gays regarding Shearer is, Get back ,Get back, we are in the ****,from now on it is hands off. Ouch!

  • johnbronkhorst

    Yesterday I delivered my latest major speech, this time to the Nelson Chamber of Commerce. I hope you take a few minutes to watch or read the full speech.
    I want us to become prosperous together and give everyone a fair share. We have such enormous potential as a nation, that we really can be a place where anyone can grow up hopeful, with the future they dream of within their grasp.
    I intend to lead a government that creates a new New Zealand.
    I have talked about the need to lift our educational achievement and the importance of science and innovation in creating more exports.
    I focussed on two other aspects of our new New Zealand.
    As a nation we’re working harder for less. The economy isn’t working for many New Zealanders.
    One of our Labour priorities for the new New Zealand must be to raise wages. An idea that I’ve been exploring is the Living Wage. 
    It’s the amount a person needs to earn to provide for themselves and their family. The attraction is that it’s a voluntary pathway to incomes above just the minimum wage, so that it forms a virtuous cycle.
    People who are working hard, playing by the rules, should be paid well enough to live and raise a family.
    The second Labour priority I identified today was skills and training.
    The number of 15 to 24 year olds who are not in work, school or training is enough to fill Eden Park – 20,000 more than there were three years ago.
    This is a disaster for New Zealand.
    It will be our priority to get every young person under twenty into skills training, education or employment.
    The centrepiece has to be apprenticeships.
    Instead of paying young people to go on the dole, we will use it to subsidise businesses to take on apprentices.
    We need to grow a new economy so that we all share in the benefits. That’s the new New Zealand I want to create. 
    I want a country that works for you. 
    And I hope you want to be part of getting us there.
    Yours sincerely,
    David Shearer
    Labour Leader
    PS – Thanks to all of you who have taken a minute to write a ‘Dear John’ letter asking the Prime Minister about his shonkey deals with Sky City – we’ve had hundreds so far. Please make sure you pass on our new webpage to your friends and family.
    This was sent to me, after i wrote a submission on Labours web page, they intended to critisise the deal with sky city, i was, I believe, GLOWING in my praise of John Keys deal. Proves they don’t read their own mail and that they used it as a method to get peoples EMail addresses, to send out this junk!

    • johnbronkhorst

      A rehash and rewrite of the idiocy and lack of forsight, they have always shown.

      • Boss Hogg

        Fucken Simpleton – that is as polite as I could manage after reading that dribble from Shearer.

        He needs to read / listen to the speeches given by John Key on his recent trip to Jakarta and Singapore.  I recomend this to all.

    • Bunswalla

      INCOMPITANT te he.

      John I agree with everything you say, but somehow on a gorgeous Friday afternoon, after a couple of glasses of good wine with lunch, there’s a delicious irony in seeing the word incompetent spelled so, well incompetently.

      • johnbronkhorst

        I had already edited it before you posted. Not that I would EVER admit that my spelling is praiseworthy.

    •  Word has it that only 3 journo’s turned up to hear Shearer’s speech yesterday, even though it was #2 in his State of the Nation series. As Irish Bill said, it sunk without trace. There’s just no connection bewteen Shearer and people.

  • johnbronkhorst

    I forwarded david shearers EMail (above) to John Key. With this fore word.
    Dear Mr Key
    I thought I would forward you this, as all in senior positions of organizations, need to laugh a little.
    Below is what david shearer sent me, after I wrote a piece on their “dear John” EMail campaign (to you)….if they had bothered to read it, they would have found that I was (I consider), GLOWING in my praise of the deal you have done with sky city.
    Seems to show here that Labour (same old labour), don’t read their EMails and only use stunts like this to collect the addresses, in order to send  rubbish like this on mass to the populace.
    Yours Sincerely
    John Bronkhorst

  • MrV

    I think Shearer is an OK guy, but was never going to get a decent chance because he was unable to sweep the decks properly clear of all the old hacks.
    One man can’t salvage the Titanic without patching up the holes first. And at a minimum it would take time, not barely 6mths from the election

    • CommonSense404

      He is a good guy. If he could speak and articulate his views clearly he would be dangerous. Thankfully he cannot.

      So now we go to that puffed up runt Robertson and the fun begins again.

  • Guest

    Will they won’t be promoting Andrew little and co once the authorities go through the union books.

  • HeyJude

    Alot of that internal nastiness you describe in Labour reminds me of another Party, currently sitting on 0 percent.

  • Landy

    Why is Matthew Hooton pushing Sue Moroney as a political genius?  cf Opening pages of NBR last edition.

  • Guest

    Well done WO.
    Word on the street you are 100% correct.
    Now tell me…just been looking at the EMPU accounts again. They have capitation fees like the meat union.
    Does this mean he EMPU has a whole lot of branches like them too. Looks like they are getting millions a year. Where is that money coming from?