Forest and Bird hypocrisy


Forest & Bird logic at its finest:

So let me get this clear.  Forest and Bird continue to block the Escarpment mine but want the government to subsidise the broken Springcreek mine to save the Coasters’ jobs… and it is all the fault of the government.

Hmmm… if the Coasters had somewhere else to work, a more profitable mine, then isn’t it likely they would choose to work there?  Do Forest and Bird really think that Coasters will appreciate Forest & Bird’s continued objection to a new employer being set up on the Coast?  The Government isn’t standing in the way of the Bathurst project – Forest & Bird are.

This is the sort of silly environmentalism that regional economies can’t handle.

Steven Joyce is right:

“The Escarpment Mine is an open cast mining project that is ready to go and would provide 225 jobs and incomes for workers and their families on the West Coast straight away,” .

“The developer is being held up from opening the Escarpment Mine by on-going litigation that has gone through the Environment Court, the High Court and the Court of Appeal.

“These on-going objections are to resource consents which were granted more than a year ago. The whole consenting process for this development has now taken a staggering seven years.

“I call on those objectors to the mine to reconsider their appeals and consider the economic future of the West Coast and its people.

“I also call on the EPMU, Labour and the Greens to join my call and back the West Coast community by supporting the immediate development of the Escarpment Mine.

The Opposition and unions are too busy playing politics to really care about the well-being of Coasters.  There is a perfectly viable opportunity on their doorstep.  Governments should never subsidise job creation schemes as Labour and the Greens would like – especially when there is a perfectly suitable private company willing to set up shop and provide real jobs.



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  • Mr Sackunkrak

    Why is Forest & Bird even remotely interested in miners’ jobs? Oh, yes of course, politics. And Slug-slam would have been a who lot cheaper than litigation.

    • Why the fuck would anybody in their right mind waste 7 years of their life trying to open a business to employ someone in NZ.And god knows what the cost to them and the country in economic loses will be.These fuckwits like F&B will bugger any country economicaly and the sad thing is they are most likely to bloody stupid to even know it.

      • Travis Poulson

        Why the fuck would anybody in their right mind waste 7 years of their life trying to open a business to employ someone in NZ”

        Why the fuck would anyone in their right mind waste 7 years opposed to creating jobs.

  • maninblack

    The Greenies are the biggest Pack of Hypocrites around.- Bloody Wankers.

  • Kapow

    She is a self righteous tart. How can they believe their own spin? They make me sick to my stomach – trolling out that old meme about South Canterbury, get it through your thick skull; under contract the Government Scheme was required to pay. Can you imagine the outcry if they had reneged on their obligation under contract?
    F&B hate any development and dont care about jobs at all. They place the birds at more value than humans.

    • Travis Poulson

      Don’t suppose you heard her on ZB this morning?

    • Cadwallader

      Yes! It is the underlying “we know best” pomposity which really pisses me off about those who profess care for the environment while deliberately ignoring human interests.

  • wiltinpenis

    The first time I heard JK’s voice on radio, I knew he was our next Prime Minister.
    I think I heard this person on Newstalk, in the car, this morning. Had to step out of car and into work, so missed the rest of the rabble, babble bullshit she was expounding.
    Dang, I thought, lost opportunity to point out the total lunacy of her illogic.

    • Travis Poulson

      Yea, she seemed to dribble all around the main issue when she said that it shouldn’t be either a choice of conservation OR jobs as she was saying the govt. was implying it was, she said jobs and conservation could BOTH work together but then failed to explain how this generalized comment would work in this situation and left me and no doubt other listeners that she failed to make a convincing argument. It left me in no doubt that they really only care about one agenda, as she hadn’t even put any thought into specifics about how conservation and creation of the jobs could be accommodated at the escarpment mine.

      It clearly shows that F & B follows one agenda, and one agenda only and is opposed to the creation of jobs at all cost to serve their own interests.

      This eco-nutter really needs to learn her stuff, and break out of the mentality that creating mining jobs means causing irreversible damage to the environment. Opencast mines are particularly easy to reinstate the vegetation and return it to a natural habitat, as at my place of employment we supply a significantly sized quarry in the Auckland area with thousands of native plants and trees for revegetation of land where mining has been exhausted and ceased.

      The Greens and Labour need to get on board and help create these jobs, instead of avoiding showing support for a good idea just because it wasn’t theirs.

      Clearly if the resource consents were granted initially then there was obviously a comprehensive environmental management plan included, and F&B need to pull the plug on the opposition instead of opposing for the sake of being what they are:

      a tree hugging, bird cuddling bunch of cunts.

      • pukakidon

        I heard her this morning, she sounded like a neurotic fish wife screaming rhetorical nonsense that she could not back up. The whole interview was a pile of dog shit.

        • Travis Poulson

          In all honesty, I think she was holding back. She sounded like she was trying hard to suppress her nutcase ideals so as not to sound too biased to Hosking, but this bullshit was busted apart when she failed to talk in specifics about how the creation of jobs could be done while maintaining conservation interests.

          It fuckin’ sickens me that progress can be halted for 7 years (and counting) because a bunch of self-serving arseholes.

        • Gazzaw

          She’s have to be a greenpeacer as well.

          • Travis Poulson

            Surprise surprise.

          • Travis Poulson

            Nicola Vallance (Toki now) left the Department of Conservation in March 2010, after the National Government signalled their intention to mine in national parks and other significant conservation areas previously off-limits to mining interests. She now works for the Royal Forest and Bird Protection Society (Forest & Bird) as a Conservation Advocate.”

  • DJK

    Snails are our friends, Far Far more important than a couple of hundred workers and their families. God help us all if this type of crazy Greenie is in Government,

    • pukakidon

      Collect the snails and feed them to the poor. That is bloody good expensive nosh in France. We can then get on and start mining.

    • Travis Poulson

      That’s the fucked part. The dept of conservation killed most of the ones they were trying to relocate.

      • kehua

        Last time they collected them , they killed everyone of the little fuckers.

    • Sir Cullen’s Sidekick

      DJK – It is happening in 2014 my friend. So get used to it. NZ will be set back at least by 50-100 years in terms of economic development under the 2014 Labour-Green government before the country wakes up in 2017 and throws them out for ever. So get ready for three years of hell.

  • Pissedoffyouth

    this on her twitter:

    Me on @FirstlineNZ and the Govt’s mischevious attempts to deflect blame for mining job losses. … – bad tactics Joyce

    How the hell is the govt to blame? They don’t set ore prices

    • Travis Poulson

      Coal not ore.

  • viking

    Well Joyce and his mates have been Govt for 4 years partly on the p[romise of changing the RMA.
    Have they.
    Nough said.

  • Anonymouse Coward columnist Chalkie has some interesting things to say about Bathurst in his column today. Seems there is uncertainty beginning to hover.

    Would be a shame if Stevo Joyce and his acolytes ended up backing a scratched runner in the economic race.

  • Harry

    Can’t this Forest and Bird person be removed from her post for sabotaging the economy? 225 jobs ready to start tomorrow but a government dept in Wellington is preventing this on personal grounds?

    • Travis Poulson

      Forest & Bird is not a Government department.

      • Mr Sackunkrak

        True, but I bet a big knob of goat shit Forest & Bird receives a good dollop of tax-payer funding.

  • rouppe

    What Nicola Toki seems to forget is that the government didn’t choose to spend all the money bailing out SCF, they were required to by law

    • Travis Poulson

      And her argument is that if they can spend that amount on the bailout then why not inject some capital into Spring Creek. The answer is easy: coal prices can’t be predicted, and there is no guarantee that the situation will be any better in a years time. Investing 30 – 40 million would be a poor decision with low coal prices into an operation that is losing money annually. That is why the Govt. said NO.

      This bitch is too dumb to look into the economics, and has no interest in saving/producing jobs.

  • baw

    I doubt it would be able to start immediately, even if all appeals were completed you still have to do a little organizing and preparation, sign contracts, build roads to sites etc. before work could begin in full.

    But forest and bird are just litigating on their principals. Sadly they are seriously misguided.

  • baw

    Smart politics by the Nats, fight fire with fire.

  • Allyson

    Remember the Labor party. The guys who would fight for workers rights. Seriously , can anyone remember what happened to them. They seem somewhat disinterested.

  • Patrick

    Who funds them?
    Got to be worth a poke around in their financials

    • Mr Sackunkrak

      In 2010 there was quite a bit from DOC, Manukau City Council and Auckland Regional Council. Like a union or two, Forest & Bird seems to have “branches” and they receive grants, but it is unclear from where.