The Catholic Church is not a force for Good

Ladies and gentleman, Mr Stephen Fry

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  • Cue automatic outrage

    • Andrei

      LOL – no, Whale got his timing wrong, this post came out when the Catholics were at mass so its just an echo chamber for the sad little people who have got nothing better to do on a Sunday morning but to spit bile or in the case of P. George pontificate upon subjects he knows nothing about

      • Pete George

        I know a lot more about how the Catholic Church looks from the outside than you do Andrei. There’s a lot of good people at the bottom, but the further up you go the more un-Christ-like it looks. And those immersed in it don’t want to see (or put down others who see) lest it undermines their power hierarchy.

        • Andrei

          …….lest it undermines their power hierarchy

          Typical P. George empty babble.

          What power, Pete George? What power does the Pope have over anyone? If he says something and you do something to contradict that what can he do to you to force you or anyone else to comply?

          If the ridiculous MPs in our parliament have a brain fart they can come up with a law with real penalties that will fuck you up big time if you don’t go along with their shit – they can and do seize peoples property and lock people up. They have power over you, the Pope does not

          You really are dumb

          • Pete George

            I’m surprised you don’t know Andrei. The pope tries to dictate to hundreds of millsions of people what they should and shouldn’t do. The church lobbies extensively to try and impose it’s views on countries and people. Even you do a bit of that on the blogs.

            You’re right to an extent, the church’s power has diminished substantially over the centuries, most people have decided they can make their own choices. But there’s still a lot of people affected by having been threatened with horrendous punishments if they fall out of line.

          • I’ve never been threatened with horrendous punishments.

          • Ronnie Chow

            As long as you die happy , well-remembered , contented and fulfilled , Lucia , that’s all that really matters .

          • Rodger T

            Hell Lucia ,real or not?

          • Andrei

            You’re right to an extent, the church’s power has diminished substantially over the centuries, most people have decided they can make their own choices.

            Is that a fact Pete George? Can you choose to light your cigarette in a public bar? Can you choose to ride your motorcycle without a helmet, can you choose give your three year old a smack on the butt when he tries to put the cat in the dishwasher or to flavour your stew with sodium glutemate.

            The list is endless of the things you cannot choose to do and grows on a near daily basis as new laws are passed, and bans imposed on the recommendation of people who are usually paid with money extracted from your purse without you having any choice. in the matter to come up with new ideas on how to further clip your wings and extract more money from your purse for your own good whether you like it or not.

            When a Bishop says something you personally can listen or not as you choose, take on board or ignore as you choose and you can go to church or not as you choose and you can put money in the plate to support the church as you choose the amount being as big or small as you choose.

            Do you see the difference?

      • Bunswalla

        Haha! Pontificate – hoist by your own petard.

  • Morrissey

    True, the Catholic Church is not a force for good—but neither is that pompous git Stephen Fry, and certainly Hitchens was not.

    • Wallsingham

      Personalities not principles! Whoops….

    • Ronnie Chow

      No , there are no forces for good in your life , Morrissey . We get it .
      At least Fry and Hitchens are prepared to stand up and state fact , as fact not as opinion or slander , their respective interpretations of the travesty that is the Catholic Church today .

  • Pete George

    It does do some good for many people, despite being based on a very flawed concept of male dominated religious privilege, power and pomposity.

    • Ronnie Chow

      Did you view the videos , Pete ? Not much good has come from them , really .

  • ConwayCaptain

    Spot on!!!!
    Look at the edifices of marble in gold in some of the poorest countries teeming with over population.

  • Phar Lap

    Interesting article in the SST regarding the prince of sexual deviation ,UKs Jimmy Saville.Would be interested what religion he was representing or was he just an atheist . Seems there has been a massive cover up by police and other legal identities,everytime a complaint was made.Sounds very like NZEI in NZ when everytime a complaint was made about James Parker in Kaitaia the NZ equivalent to Jimmy Saville it was ignored.Seems besides the Catholic Church there are alot of other organisations in NZ who because they are not called Catholic ,they seem to operate under the radar,or are they exempt from attention or scrutiny,and a blind eye is offered to their sexual deviances.

    • Mitch82

      Savile was Roman Catholic.

      • Phar Lap

        Thankyou.To think he was honoured by both church leaders of The Church of England, and Rome.They even gave him a Knighhood.

  • Pissedoffyouth

    Whats the difference between a Catholic priest and pimples?

    Pimples come on a boy’s face after he turns 12

  • Mitch82

  • nasska

    No organised religion ends up benevolent. What starts as a simple goat herder’s answer to infinity & eternity gets corrupted by those who seek wealth & power.

  • Wallsingham

    Authoritarian, hierarchal, mystical, secretive, unimaginatively wealthy infrastructure headed up by sexually ambiguous leaders… what could possibly go wrong?

  • Rodger T

    Prayer,how to do nothing and still think you’re helping.

    • Mike

      Exactly! You know you are doing absolutely nothing to help but at least you can still feel good about yourself. I also liken praying to wishing.

      • nasska

        You’re on to it Mike. Prayer’s a bit like this…..

      • Rodger T

        God is just a tease,

  • Wallsingham

    “A Man Went Down From Jerusalem to Jericho”

    …the message of the Nazarian is alive. Just one kernel of kindness…

  • Gulag

    Stephen Fry, the pot calling the kettle black.

  • Here’s Mr Fry on women and sex:

    Broadcaster and writer Stephen Fry has tried to establish himself as an unlikely authority on female sexuality, claiming that straight women only go to bed with men “because sex is the price they are willing to pay for a relationship”.

    In uncharacteristically extreme comments, the openly gay Twitter champion said he believed most straight men felt that “they disgust women” as they “find it difficult to believe that women are as interested in sex as they are”.

    “For good reason,” he declares in a candid interview in the November issue of Attitude magazine. “If women liked sex as much as men, there would be straight cruising areas in the way there are gay cruising areas. Women would go and hang around in churchyards thinking: ‘God, I’ve got to get my fucking rocks off’, or they’d go to Hampstead Heath and meet strangers to shag behind a bush. It doesn’t happen. Why? Because the only women you can have sex with like that wish to be paid for it.”

    Fry, 53, continues: “I feel sorry for straight men. The only reason women will have sex with them is that sex is the price they are willing to pay for a relationship with a man, which is what they want,” he said. “Of course, a lot of women will deny this and say, ‘Oh no, but I love sex, I love it!’ But do they go around having it the way that gay men do?”

    Thinks he’s an authority on a whole lot of subjects he knows nothing about.

    • Ronnie Chow

      What Fry says is quite reasonable , but his quote “But do they go around having it the way that gay men do?” means that he didn’t visit Courtenay Place on a Saturday night . The Place is crawling with drunk tarts in microskirts .

    • Bunswalla

      Spot on in every respect. Stephen, that is.

  • Dion

    Thanks – that was a bloody good watch.

  • Troy

    The results of the debate were overwhelming in favour of being against the motion… now the rest of the catholics of the world need to be either convinced of that, or to do something to change the politics and power within that religion. The catholic church is a farce and at the rate the child abuse cases are coming forward, along with other historical attrocities that have come to light, I hope its the beginning of the end of this lie of a religion.

  • that about sums it up for me