Catholics have a lot to answer for

Someone needs to string this bastard up. He may not have buggered little boys but he organised the institutional cover up of boy buggering.

For decades, Cardinal Roger M. Mahony  was the convener and the star of the nation’s largest annual gathering of Roman Catholics, which opened here on Thursday.

This year, though, Cardinal Mahony was nowhere to be seen at the gathering, the Religious Education Congress. His workshop on immigration was canceled. The cardinal was relieved of his public duties  last month by his successor after the release of 12,000 pages of internal church files revealing how Cardinal Mahony protected priests accused of sexually abusing minors. 

In a rare breach of the deference American bishops usually grant one another, the current archbishop of Los Angeles, José H. Gomez, said he found the documents “brutal and painful” reading. Cardinal Mahony soon shot back, posting a bitter open letter  to Archbishop Gomez on his blog.

With Cardinal Mahony set to fly to Rome next week to elect a new pope, the prelates’ duel in the country’s largest archdiocese has set off shock waves in the church. Catholics in Los Angeles are re-evaluating the cardinal’s legacy, and newspapers in Italy are running articles asking whether the disgraced cardinal should attend the papal conclave.

At the same time, this is a defining moment for Archbishop Gomez, who took over from Cardinal Mahony two years ago and is universally described as low-key and quiet, particularly compared with his predecessor. His public rebuke of Cardinal Mahony stunned observers not only for its content, but because the normally mild-mannered archbishop would react so swiftly and dramatically. Now, many here are waiting anxiously to see how he will try to lead the archdiocese past the scandal.


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  • Fuck off Whale Oil. Surely if you had a case you wouldn’t have to keep repeating your boring accusations and slanders. I use the cursing because you don’t seem to listen to reason from people like Lucia Maria who is much more eloquent than me.

    • lol

    • Mitch82

      You mad, Bob?

      • No

        • Mitch82

          Really Bob? Something seems to have rustled your jimmies.

    • Rodger T

      Denial Bob,not just a river in Africa.

      • unsol

        O for Orsome RT. Funny stuff. Must steal that!

    • snigger…snort

      • P1LL

        +1 ^^^^^

    • Jimmie

      Yeah because when you have a church that proclaims itself to speak for God on earth on matters of morals and spirituality and is found to abuse this self proclaimed holiness by tolerating and hiding (even encouraging) child molesters in its midst and in the meantime has the utter cheek to pontificate on the smallest moral issues around the world…..according to you this is just boring accusations and slanders.

      I’m sure also that the abused kids who have nightmares every night for the rest of their lives and have messed up heads will think of this systematic abuse as simply boring accusations.

      Nothing to see here, time to move on………your attitude makes me sick

      • The Church does not tolerate and hide or even encourage child molesters. As the Bride of Christ, her attitude is that it would be better for such to have a millstone tied around their necks and drowned than to harm children in this way. However, there are individuals within the Church who do not believe in her rules and teachings that have sinned heinously in this regard, and these individuals are being and must be removed.

        This is a Church of more than 1.2 Billion members. We’re going to get some bad ones. NZ is only 4 million and look how many paedophiles we have.

        • Mitch82

          So what do we make of the letters that contradict what you say about not tolerating, hiding or encouraging child abuse?

        • Goldie

          The church is headed by the pope.
          Ratzinger, in 2001, issued a letter to bishops stating that the “Crimine solicitationies” law (regarding strict secrecy in sex abuse cases) is still in effect, and stating that anyone breaking the Catholic church’s code of silence on child sexual abuse would be excommunicated and that the victims were to be bound to silence (note: not that pedo priests would be excommunicated, but the people trying to deal with the abuse).
          So, I’m afraid the Catholic church does tolerate and protect child molesters. Its a fact. Deal with it.

          • Sorry, not true. The BBC Panorama tv programme made a show about that, except they got their facts wrong. See Smearing the Pope.

          • Random66

            Honestly Lucia your dogmatic belief in the goodness of the Catholic Church is almost to be admired in the face of such evil going-ons being brought to light. I will defend Christianity (as in the belief and teachings of Christ), but I will NOT defend the behaviour of these evil men, nor will I defend an establishment that creates, nourishes and protects such evil. I’m certain Lucia if you strip your faith back to it’s purest form and look to God’s word for your instruction and not to an enstablishment corrupted by man’s sinful nature you too will wonder what indeed you are defending.

        • Ronnie Chow

          Does , has , is and will continue to tolerate pedophiles .

          As proof piles upon proof that the entire Catholic hierarchy is both homosexual and pedophile , the slow painful death of the Catholic Church will herald an age of understanding that belief in God is simply a belief in yourself .

          Your church is led by criminal masterminds , who are only interested in power and sex , the very antithesis of it’s doctrine , and their sermons .

          Failure to recognize this is evidence that you have been brainwashed most successfully .

          What will it take for you to realize that you have been had , Lucia ?

        • Bunswalla

          Oh……..FUCK OFF Lucia! All this sanctimonious SHIT about the church being “the bride of Christ” – What the Fuck? The Roman Catholic Church is an evil corporation dedicated to siphoning money off those who can least afford it, enabling, supporting, hiding and protecting those who would commit unspeakable crimes against vulnerable children. and issuing edicts that ensure that AIDS and HIV continue to blight the lives of millions. You can spout whatever bullshit you like, you are like a stuck record, but nobody here believes a word of it, so, as i said earlier, FUCK OFF.

        • PlanetOrphan

          You validate the Popes “above the Law” behaviour with this statement Lucia.

          Too validate someones delusion in the name of your own delusion will only ever make the power tripping maggots worse.

          Those maggots don’t ask god for forgiveness, even though that is what catholic means, they chose that name so they wouldn’t have to.

          Those maggots engineered Christs’ life from beginning to end and their goal was to eat the mans flesh in front of the general populace.

        • unsol

          “Individuals” you mean like everyone in the Vatican…the HEAD of your Church that is now being accused of not only hiding & enabling pedophiles, but also of corruption & gay sex?!!!

          I can understand you having views based on your faith & getting tired of the anti Catholic stuff, but that shouldn’t preclude rational conclusions or the comprehension of cold hard facts.

          By choosing to bury your head in the sand you are choosing to invite more mockery as hypocrisy is the thing that always undermines any so-called credibility.

        • Big Bruv

          “The Church does not tolerate and hide or even encourage child molesters.”

          That is bullshit Lucia. The evil Catholic church condoned child molesters for generations, to this very day the bastards are still intimidating anybody who dares speak out against them. Ratzinger himself is at the center of it.

          I suspect the evil old German is standing down because there are a few skeletons in his closet that are about to come out.

          You can waste your life believing in the sky fairy if you like but you should stop pretending that the Catholic church is anything other than evil.

          If you really do care about children as you have said so many times then the very best thing you can do for them is to take them as far away from the Catholic church as possible.

        • Wallsingham

          Apologists for paedophilia do not address the issue of Catholic credibility. The cover-ups, denials and deceptions are seen as policy. The public self-abuse, protestations, mea culpas hypocrisy as typical of the cretin. Not amongst the nonbelievers but among those who do!

    • TomTom

      Lucia Maria is about as eloquent as an elephant trying to speak English. Whilst on a pogo stick.

    • Ronnie Chow

      Simple question , Bob . What action would YOU take if your neighbor is seen through the window to be a pedophile ?

      • Jimmie

        He wouldn’t do anything as it would be too boring OR he would knock on his door and ask him politely to pull his curtain so that he can’t be seen.

        Or get pissed off that some nosy people were trespassing and looking through the holy neighbour’s window.

        • Ronnie Chow

          Or join in , judging by his maximum possible level of tolerance shown so far .

      • There is a Police Station down the road Ronnie. But I do not go round being a peeping Tom in the first place.

        • Ronnie Chow

          Good answer . You would go to the Police as any normal person would. Get them locked up before they can do any more damage .
          Remove them from society .
          Help the victims .
          You are on the right track , Bob .

    • J.M

      I have to agree, his anti-Catholic hate speech has gone way too far. I suspect part of it comes from a protestant upbringing.

      As I have written being a Catholic, historic sexual abuse, and the coverup thereof severely shook my faith in the church. However having been involved in the church it does an awful lot of good in this world.

      • PlanetOrphan

        Blind emotional drivel, keep telling yourself that and it will happen again.
        Do no harm is one of my Motos.
        Catholics love stealing it, it makes them FEEL.

      • Too true J.M. Ian Paisley would be proud of him and his syncophants.

  • PlanetOrphan

    Catholics have subverted the Laws of every country they infect.

  • There is recognition that Cardinal Mahony is somewhat tainted: Cardinal addresses calls for Mahony not to attend papal conclave

    ROME, February 20, 2013, ( – Velasio De Paolis, an Italian cardinal and Curial official, has responded to calls for the former archbishop of Los Angeles, Roger Mahony, to decline to attend the upcoming conclave, saying, “The common practice is to use persuasion. There is no more that can be done.”

    “He could be advised not to take part only through a private intervention by someone with great authority,” the curial cardinal said, adding that ultimately “it will be up to his conscience to decide whether to take part or not.”

    De Paolis is one of the 117 cardinal electors and president emeritus of the Prefecture for the Economic Affairs of the Holy See. More pertinently to the issue, he is also Pontifical Delegate for the Congregation of the scandal-ridden Legionaries of Christ.

    De Paolis insisted that he was not suggesting that Mahony not attend, or even that someone should try to persuade him. He told La Repubblica daily that under the laws of the Church, Cardinal Mahony “has the right and duty to take part.”

    “This is a troubling situation, but the rules must be followed,” he said.

    I can sympathise with Bob here, as there seems to be an unholy glee on Whale Oil’s part in reporting on this sort of thing, but it is not indicative of the Church as a whole.

    • Mitch82

      It’s a real pain in the ass when a bunch of people (who don’t even believe what you believe) start sticking their nose in where it doesn’t belong.. huh?

      • It can be. But not everyone is a pain in the ass.

        • Ronnie Chow

          I wonder what the stats are on condom use in the vatican , or do they all go bareback . Any insight , Lucia .

          • unsol

            Actually a good question considering the recent allegations. I wonder if any have HIV….

          • Ronnie Chow

            It has been estimated that at least 33 percent of all priests in the RC Church in the United States are homosexual.

            Roman Catholic priests in the United States are dying from AIDS-related illnesses at a rate four times higher than the general population and the cause is often concealed on their death certificates .

            The Church of England revealed this year that at least 25% of its priests had died of AIDS-related illnesses, and in September mandated that all Anglican bishops in southern Africa undergo HIV testing.

        • unsol

          You missed the irony LM…..

    • PlanetOrphan

      How long was the Catholic Orthodox church in russia before they started “Helping” kids into the sex trade?
      Denying and defending an organisation because of Faith in their silent God.
      Get real , listen to yourself, that’s your heart breaking, it’s a tortured religion.

    • unitedtribes

      Or they could just say “sod off fuckwit”

    • Thankyou Lucia Maria. As I noted above your are much more eloquent than me. You are certainly correct regarding WO’s obsession and gloating over these matters. Seems he tars all with the same brush.

      • Ronnie Chow

        No , we shudder to see you blind idiots subserviently following every moral dictate from a bunch of sad , perverted , rich , old , soon to burn in your hell , heathens .

        • Bunswalla

          If I had three or four attempts, i could not have come close to summing up the irrefutable logic and blindingly logical argument you make. Well done, sir.

    • Dion

      Yes it is because he’s still a cardinal. Why has he not been ex-communicated?

  • Cadwallader

    Come on, any institution which is run by fully grown men wearing dresses who allegedly spout words of love from an airborne but invisible umpire has to be fucked!

    • Bless the ignorant for they may be made wise.

      • Rodger T

        Indeed Bob indeed ,maybe also the superstitious be made rational.

        • Mitch82

          Don’t clue him in Rodger, I’m gonna try sell him a bridge.

      • Ronnie Chow

        Meditate on that for a while , Bob . It’s not Rotary , it’s pedo HQ that you are defending . The single largest active pedophile organisation on earth , suckering millions into giving money and soul . If you know so much more than us , when will the dam break ? Will you EVER feel let down by your own failure of intuition and logic ?

  • grumpy

    Latest reports are that the Pope is retiring to allow a younger man to deal to the widespread decadence in the Church.

    Stories of gay orgies among clergy are now surfacing.

    Obviously priests were molesting boys, not because they were catholic priests, but because they were gay!

    Blindingly obvious really……

    • Andrei

      Silly season thats all – The Pope’s retiring and some people are going mad, hell if the National enquirer printed the Pope was actually a space alien from Venus half of you lot would believe it

      • Jimmie

        Another uncaring attitude trying to protect the ‘holy mother’ church. No empathy for the abused kids (my better half was abused as a kid and it took her some 23 years to be able to deal with the grief that came with it.)

        People are more important than the church hierarchy Andrei – the catholic church will never be free of these abuses until they only accept folk into their priesthood who see it as a higher calling not a chance to fiddle kids from a trusted position.

        Also as much as it is anathema to you, priests/bishops should be encouraged/required to get married. (You are always harping on about getting married – well let your clergy get married.) This would deal with 95% of the reasons for clergy child abuse as well as allow the priests to have a balanced family life.

        Also the catholic practice of getting parishioners to confess sins to the priest in private is just nuts. Either tell them to pray and confess their sins to God or just give them general absolvement.

        To get young and vulnerable kids confessing all sorts of lurid vices to single male priests in the privacy of the confession box is just nuts and should be sent back to the dark ages where it belongs.

        But these things will never happen because the holy mother catholic church is never wrong and so has no need to change – and will continue to be mocked and belittled as is appropriate.

      • Ronnie Chow

        So , do priests use condoms , Andrei?

        • grumpy

          Irrelevant. It is contraception that is banned. Poofs having sex is the most pure form of contraception so condoms are irrelevant.

  • Wallsingham

    Growing up in a Catholic country meant parental warnings about catholic sexual hysteria, physical abuse and clerical manipulation. In school we knew which clerics and nuns were to be avoided. This scandal will continue for generations as I suspect it has for millennia. Catholic guilt, secrecy and spiritual blackmail are art forms. Fortunately here in NZ the true faith has never sunk it’s roots deep. We have our own pedophiles without an international institution to protect them.

    The balance is in the faith, hope and love many clergy genuinely displayed to young people, the indigent and educational opportunities for those who otherwise would have been factory fodder, loggers, miners. Our lives were enriched even while watching for predators. I seriously doubt if the RCC has a monopoly on the sexual abuse of their parishioners children.