Christchurch Underbelly Update: The vigilantes show their true colours.

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Not satisfied with having their fun taken away, the vigilantes at GP Forum are now lashing out wildly.

I will give you a perfect example of how small minded little wankers can ruin people’s lives.

Now, you all know this doesn’t bother me.  After all, I’ve dealt with worse.  But notice the morphology of how someone’s reputation can be ruined in the space of 3 public posts on a forum.  Posts that will be indexed by Google and remain there for the foreseeable future:

  1. State a lie, but leave it as question
  2. Confirm it without evidence
  3. Treat is as a fact

Are you ready?  Here we go.  

One

xxxx

Two

saads

Three

asasd

The sad thing is that the GP Forums crowd behind the sleuthing originally did fantastic work.  It’s only the hangers on and the big mouths that have moved in since that made it all a huge mess.

In their own words, they went “Full Retard”.

There are those that were the original detectives.  And since then I’ve exposed the Judge and Jury types.

All we have left are filthy little boys that think it’s OK to spread unfounded rumours just because someone exposed their idiocy to the  world when they were publicly talking about taking the law into their own hands.

There are GPers with a much more level head who understand that this could go really wrong, and are urgently calling for this particular forum thread, or parts of it,  to be deleted (no point, I’m making a copy of it every 10 minutes)

It seems, like any vigilante group, they’ve lost control of a small group of individuals.

Bit of a sad end to what started as a great story, really.

I won’t bother to ask for a retraction or apology.  If anything, I suspect it will ramp up from here and I’ll be Ground Zero for anything that requires blame to be assigned.

It’s just nice to know that the original Sleuths haven’t lost their sense of humour in all this.

sdd

 

 


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  • HateSlate

    Im sorry, so people are having a public opinion on a public forum just as you have a public opinion in a public forum, they’re insulting you for whatever reasons as you have insulted others in your own forum and you somehow feel hard done by? Pot/Kettle?Black

    Have you never released unsubstantiated or untrue facts or rumors ever (somewhat genuine question) or is your record perfect?

    Or finally is this just a lashing out because people have an opinion of you that you dont like and your fighting back (which of course you are entitled to do)?

    • Agreed

    • Are you saying it’s OK to call someone a child pornographer and kiddie fiddler without evidence? This is a little bit more than name calling.

      We’re supposed to just accept that the GP Forum “ethos” includes death threats, calls for violence, calls for suicide, accusations of kiddy fiddling and so on, and this is just something the public have to take on the chin? Not to mention anyone specifically named with those sort of slanderous accusations?

      Is Cameron Slater a kiddie fiddler? No.
      Does he have KP on his PC? No.

      But somehow let’s just throw those sort of accusations around and everyone just accept this as GP Banter?

      You’re just here to stir the shit, aren’t you? You can’t actually be serious?

      • HateSlate

        Cameron Slater is only getting what he has given out in the past. Yes the nature of the accusation is rather disgusting but he has done the same things to a member of GP.

        You can’t really say GP is doing anything wrong when Cameron himself has done the very same thing or are you going to say that Cameron was wrong and shouldn’t have done it but its all ok its in the past.

        If you cant handle taking insults and degrading comments its best not to throw them around in the first place.

        • I don’t know what you’re on about with the earlier event, but even if that is true, you don’t use that as the basis to do wrong yourself, or justify it after the fact.

          Look, nobody is going to end up in court here, but the letter of the law is that you can’t just Make Shit Up.

          Going for the kiddie fiddler angle is pretty much as low as anyone can go.

          Is there no moderation on the GP Forums at all?

          • Public forums , public speech , don’t like it , then get off the interwebs and live under a rock.

          • Personally, I love it. No need for a rock for me. But I do draw the line at throwing kiddy fiddling accusations around just because someone may not be nice. We have to have some standards.

          • HateSlate

            Yes you can’t make up shit at all,never stopped Cameron. Tell you what, you have a go at Cameron and then you can get back to having a go at GP.
            Yes it was in the past but there is no way he is going to cry foul and not be pulled up on it.

        • Prove it…bet you can’t…provide a link? I would never accuse anyone of something like that without evidence…so go on pick that scab open.

          I love how you use the kindy sandpit argument..he did so we will do it too. You guys are pathetic.

          • HateSlate

            Im not the one accusing you of being a child molester nor have i suggested you have such material and I agree that using such accusations is below the belt but stepping back from the nature of the accusations your not above stating untrue comments to insult/discredit someone. And claiming your somehow being unfairly treated is crying wolf. And yet you still choose to use insulting remarks “You guys are pathetic” (admittedly mild). If your going to sling it (which your entitled to do) you are going to get it back.

          • If you support the accusation then yes you are…you supported it when you said that I deserved it because allegedly I had done the same thing…you really ned to keep your arguments straight…so far you are failing.

          • HateSlate

            I do NOT support the accusations of kiddy porn nor child molestation against you. THEY ARE WRONG. I wish to make that very VERY clear.
            As I said untrue comments have been made by both parties (present and past) Yes Child molestation comments are wrong but are beastiality comments any better (albeit not as bad as child molestation).

          • I haven’t made any untrue accusations and you have failed to substantiate that….so unless you miraculously produce some evidence I suggest you STFU, because my tolerance of people who are bullies and liars is zero.

        • SJ00

          Whats Cam given out in the past? Have you got links or names or proof or are you just trying to defend a silly argument by making stuff up?

      • Jonathan

        What’s KP?

        • HateSlate

          Kiddie Porn I would assume

          • Yes.

          • Jonathan

            ew gross

          • Exactly. And that’s what Cameron Slater stands accused of care of a handful of cretins at GP Forum making it all go tits up for the rest of them who are actually very sensible.

            This guy is even trying to put a lid on it.

          • grumpy

            He did it bloody well too. Credit where due….

          • Jonathan

            I don’t think it was MoNk who started that. You should probably read the whole thread.

          • No worries there. He’s clearly trying to END it.

    • It isn’t an opinion it is libel. To accuse someone of being a kiddy fiddler is the lowest of low. If they did it to my face they’d be inspecting the concrete very soon after for minute defects, up close.

      But nice to think that you think it is ok do that. You’ll keep.

      • HateSlate

        So you wish to complain about threats of violence and then proceed to make threats of violence yourself. Sorry but your not doing yourself any favours. Yeah the kiddy fiddling accusations are wrong and Id dare day an admin will clean that up but dont go pointing out comments of violence on GP and then go and make violent comments yourself.

        • I’m not making any threats, I am simply saying that you keyboard warriors think you are the shit, until someone fronts you….this is my site, I’ll make any comments i like. If you come into my lounge and made the comments I am simply telling you what would happen…that isn;t a threat it is a promise.

    • Jonathan…you aren’t as anonymous as you seem to think you are. For someone who is 28 you sure act like you have a mental age of about 12.

      • HateSlate

        You wish to release private infromation about me do you? I fail to see why you wish to attack my in a vengeful manner when all Im doing is arguing the two topics (kiddy fiddling accusations and turtle molesting.
        As Ive said before, your allowed your opinion as are other people, I also agree that the kiddy fiddling comments were way below the belt but to suggest that you have somehow been wronged by people slagging back when you have done so yourself seems wrong. And Id like to clarify that Im not attacking YOU personally, as I said Im discussing the topic which has clearly gotten out of hand as you seem to want to release information about me.

        • It isn’t private information you fool, you have footprints all over the internet.

          You excused the appalling accusations on the basis that apparently, unproven yet, that I did the same. Excusing behaviour is the same as enabling it.

          Worse you did it on my site…that just makes you dumb. I dont tolerate lies about me, I don’t tolerate bullies and I am not tolerating you.

          • HateSlate

            I dont tolerate lies about you either and dont for one second suggest that you deserve accusations of child molestation. Were they far less serious accusations I would probably feel differently but accusations of child molestation are wrong. Well I guess I should remove myself from these discussions. Of course you may chose to discredit me but let me first apologise if I did or you feel I did accuse you of child molestation. It was never my intention.

          • Bunswalla

            Your logic is piss poor, pal. If you say “I think Cameron is a fuckwit on a particular point, and here’s why” – that’s opinion, you’re entitled to it, and if you back it up on this blog you’ll get respect from the blogger and others. This has happened on many occasions, and I know from experience that he does listen and does take it in.

            Sticks and stones don’t bother any of us, and we’ve all been called far worse than fuckwit, sometimes with justification.

            But to state (or defend as opinion, as you’ve attempted to do – very poorly) that Cameron was found with kiddie porn on his PC, and/or that he’s a kiddie fiddler, is a completely different kettle of fish.

            You’re taking the right step by stopping digging, otherwise the hole you find yourself in may be too deep to climb out of. Just sayin’.

          • HateSlate

            Fair and valid point. My argument (and a badly made one) was that people should be able to say or have comments about others if they don’t like them. Where I went wrong was by defending the comments made against Cameron (again not my intention) because of ones he made. Perhaps 30 minutes of thinking, 30 minutes of writing and then 30 minutes of re-reading might be a better posting structure for me.

          • Dave

            Bloody good point Bunswalla. HateSlate, Its like this. I believe you are a fool, a bigoted idiot and one who believes anything he says. I have posted on here for quite a while, expressed my opinions, and disagreed with others. But at no stage have i denigrated someone who did not deserve it, and nor has anyone else personally attacked me. A blog is somewhat like walking along any street on this earth. Chuck shit at others, it comes back twice as hard, smile and debate politely, and people will most likely respect you.

          • Dave

            HateSlate. PS: Stop Digging, Put the Shovel down, step away from the hole, apologize then take a deep breath and go meditate for 24 hours. No Computers!!!

          • HateSlate

            Have apologized to Cameron and for that matter will apologize to anyone else who I have offended by my comments.

    • You use words like “flame war” and insults…what those cunts did was accuse me, a father of two, of being a pedophile and of a crime, yes child porn is criminal. that is not a joking matter, nor an inside joke. it isn;t an opinion either it is a fucking lie that if told to my face would end up with that person inspecting the pavement.

      You fuckwits come here justifying your attacks are sickening. I never attacked anyone over there, All I did is shed some additional light on a cause. The original poster actually asked for help. I gave it…and then I end being taunted to suicide, being labelled and branded a pedophile.

      There is no comeback from that. Instead all you do is come here and justify yourself like little chickenshit keyboard warriors thinking you are all anonymous…except you aren’t and you find that out the hard way.

      • Mr_V4

        You didn’t seem to be so concearned about people being accused of being kiddie fiddlers etc when others on this blog were making comments towards dotcom or other commentors arguing in favour of dotcoms position.

      • Jonathan P

        I clearly got the wrong end of the stick. So everyone knows where I went wrong, I had heard/read that you had gone to lengths to discredit a certain member of GPforums, what I wasn’t aware of at the time was his comment towards you ( I’m sure you’re well aware of them) Naturally I only heard one side of the story and then stupidly bandwagoned.

        My comments right from the get go have been Ill informed and wrong. I know you will wish to keep them up and context and as “owning my shit” and thats fair enough, I fucked up which Is why I have and will again retract every comment I made.

        And yes I did find out the hard way that the internet is never truly anonymous.

  • Orange

    The 12-16 yr old crowd have this thing nowadays when they like to complain about everything. Fine enough but they don’t have a conscience (or imagination) cap on their angst, ie. because their minds are not adult they don’t know it’s not actually acceptable to make stuff up. And if you do make stuff up you apologise. These things don’t occur to them at all at that age. I think this kind of thing is more common now that it used to be. The police, however, are far less forgiving of such antics than you Whale.

    • HateSlate

      And yet you defend whale against actions he himself has taken. Making up accusations about another person to discredit and insult them. Rather childish of him isn’t/wasn’t it?

      • Don’t tell, me… you ARE the Turtle Molester? And this is your day for UTU?

        • HateSlate

          No that is not me but that is the topic mentioned.

          • That cunt came on my site and invited me to suicide….at that point he was fair game. He was uninvited, he just arrived and with in two comments suggested it would be a good idea for the benefit of mankind if I killed myself….and you guys are going off all offended that I struck back against that sort of pathetic attempted bullying…

            Fuck you are pathetic little ‘tards, but that is being unkind to real handicapped people…you have no excuse except perhaps for a very shallow gene pool.

          • HateSlate

            And yet again I have not accused you of anything nor have I belittled you or tried to defame you and you chose in turn to insult me along with others. Really?

          • Yes you did. You, at the top of this thread said I had done it before, and so I deserve all I get…try to keep up…now you are dancing on the head of a pin Jonathan…for someone who has managed to make it to 28 it does beggar belief that you can’t even be consistent on you accusations

          • HateSlate

            Fair enough, have since read my first post and I will say it. I was wrong on the statements I made that you deserve the accusations of child molestation. I apoligise for making and suggesting such things.

          • Wow.

            Big thumbs up from me.

            That’s nice to see. Have a virtual beer.

          • HateSlate

            I dont drink but will have a glass of water. I do tend to get carried away (band wagon). As yes Cameron for a 28 year old I am quite immature (no offense taken weather it was implied or not) Growing old is compulsory, growing up is not.

          • Thank you.

          • No actual grasshoppers were harmed during the creation of my grasshopper sucking joke. Have a nice day.

          • Jester

            28 is kinda old to be playing online kids games isn’t it.

            Bet he has a cool online handle like Mordor the Invincible or Stealth Master though.

          • HateSlate

            I dont actually play online games much anymore and as Cameron has proven when I try and have an argument/discussion/comment it is usually destroyed pretty quickly. One of my many many flaws.lol

          • Oh go SUCK on a grasshopper, it might calm you down ( remember though not to chew, they don’t like that )

          • You have got to be kidding me. You are saying that WO called someone a turtle molester, a TURTLE molester! That is not even physically possible so is therefore logically a JOKE. There is NOTHING funny about Pedophiles on the other hand. I am going to go out on a limb now and call you sir, a grasshopper sucker. YES, you heard me. You Sir, suck grasshoppers. I am not saying occasionally either but that you suck them on a regular basis.

          • HateSlate

            Thats fine, if it makes you feel better about what I have said and since apologized for feel free to do so.

          • Stand down Fair Lady, this was settled elsewhere in the thread :)
            Apology was offered and accepted.

  • Mitch82
  • Christian

    Christ, this like the NZ version of TMZ but instead of celebrity-baiting, you’re baiting random people from gpforums to increase page-views to your worthless blog. You systematically blow things out of proportion until everyone jumps on your side and starts baiting along with you. It’s pathetic. Absolutely pathetic.

    GPForums is an entity into itself; there are inside jokes that people who don’t frequent the site might find offensive or downright disgusting – this is apparent in ALL communities; including this one. Taking comments out of context and trying to apply your moral guidelines to them is just ridiculous.

    • Bunswalla

      Is that the same Christian that fucks goats, and pays women to stamp on his todger with high heels? Do you still have those kiddie porn videos on your PC christian, or did you sell them to pay for some more rent boys?

    • It is not a joking matter to accuse someone of being a paedophile. Gals you think so, let’s see how you get on when I start the “inside joke” on your ass.

      • Mr_V4

        Well of late this blog seems to have become obsessed with the subject, especially a few of the people commenting.

  • Contractor

    Just in order to ease any perception of hypocrisy, is it possible to get some clarity around what is and isn’t acceptable here given some of the posts over the last few days…And before I start, please dont launch into labelling me a cocksmoker or fan of kim dotcom or lefty beneficiary bludger or whatever. i have no dog in this particular fight…nor do I want one so can we have some grown up discussion here. A few weeks back there was some discussion around a post regarding the usual bullying of red headed kids. The general explanation was that it’s a big bad world out there, we shouldn’t shelter our kids as we won’t always be around so bullying was in fact a good thing as it toughened our kids up….You said yourself Petal “this blog picks on anything for a story, and to single out gingers, or gays, or Catholics, or teachers, or politicians, or women,
    or cat lovers, or whatever for an exemption would simply be intellectually dishonest”, and WO also stated his reasoning for bullying was because he could, it generated page views, but did have the rider that his family was off limits and whilst it was ok for him if it involved his family violence would follow. Cam thought the country needed to ” harden the fuck up”.  So firstly, is mental health allowed an exemption for intellectual honesty but bullying of children by adults isnt? After the discussion around bullying I gathered nothing was off limits here, even ridiculing an elderly woman in her 80’s who couldn’t figure out her phone, from a news story covering this Cam managed to draw the conclusion she was a burden on her family and this was why they no longer called her or wanted to spend time with her….??? 
    And as Bunswalla tells us umpteen times, offence can only be taken, not given, so the person taking offence is the one with the problem, not the giver.
    Another comment was Cam didn’t involve people’s families when he threw shit at them, he feels as they are in the public eye they are fair game to him but he stated he didn’t go near their families. Well and good. But how does that explain his behavior towards Paul Holmes? Millie Holmes spent her time as Cams Tgt of the month for a while there, which included a number of extremely unflattering photos of her and lurid details of her personal life, most of which were completely unsubstantiated. While many in eulogies portrayed Holmes battle to get his daughter back from her addiction as his finest hour, Cam at this time nicknamed him ‘P’ Holmes whenever referenced,an obvious pisstake and held him up to ridicule constantly during this time.As for the comments here about these dicks going off half cocked before they knew any facts and potentially wrongly portraying offenders, Posts like this could potentially fall into that group
    http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2009/12/pissed-holmes-involved-in-drunken-stoush-with-photographer/
    As Cam states “It has been reported to me that he was buying drugs and the 2 guys were his dealers ie. Gangsters. Paul Holmes ran off and the photographer got dealt to by the thugs.” to start accusing someone of Holmes standing a drug dealer is a pretty big call, backed up by what? This story died a death and nothing else heard, certainly no evidence. So yes, these dicks can be accused of this, but they aren’t alone. And accusing someone of being a drug dealer is pretty major. But since when was Millie famous for anything….apart from being Paul Holmes daughter? That’s right your golden rule around families…….And last week Holmes was a saint, why the change of heart? Cause he passed away?
    In the posts last night the weight comments were rightly attributed to those with the mentality of a 12 year old. I agree, but for the last 2 months nearly daily we have seen posts with photo shopped images and various pictures of obesity, and all directed towards one individual with many comments about what a fat shit/fuck/cunt et al he is. So yes , it is a 12 year old mentality to revert to physical comments, much like calling someone a fag, or a cocksmoker, but this site has some form there perhaps. All we have seen is nasty pisstaking of someone’s weight issues.
    On the cocksmoker thing, the first term of abuse dealt out to anyone perceived as a cock/cunt/dickhead/idiot et al is the label “cocksmoker”. It’s obviously given as a term of derision and ridicule, so does that mean you feel that anyone who smokes cock is a cock/cunt/dickhead/idiot et al due to the fact they indeed, smoke cock? It is used here as an insult, I can only assume you find cocksmokers insulting. Here’s the rub, cocksmokers ( when used in your context) are homosexual men. So to consider them the way you do, and use them as the example you do would indicate you might not be as gay friendly as you think (Freudian perhaps). Maybe you are, but that type of talk could maybe be seen as Hatish? I certainly do.
    Of course the line should be drawn on posts where suggesting or wishing someone take their lives or suggesting violence towards others. But comments like “cops,glocks,problem solved” for example may fall into this category, as might the post by whale titled “perhaps shaking the baby would have helped” when referring to a crying baby in a restaurant. Shaking babies? This would suggest Whales suggestion itself may lead to harm…..yes it may have been in jest, but who is to know, much as the dicks mentioned here may be speaking in jest…who knows. This site is riddled with suggestions of violence let’s be honest.
    So putting aside the phone issue here, what is in fact acceptable and what isn’t? As a reader of over the last 4 years Ithink pretty much everything has been covered with no sacred cows in the posts and reactions by moderators, does that extend to the commenters as well?  Again,please don’t launch into an attack telling me what a cocksmoker/fool/idiot I am. This isnt an attack on anyone, not you cam, not any of the moderators. So try not to launch i nto the usual vitriol. Let’s have some guidelines, because obviously there are sacred cows, and no one wants to get on cams ” shitlist” do we, especially if we use his example as an indication.

    Just in order to ease any perception of hypocrisy, is it possible to get some clarity around what is and isn’t acceptable here given some of the posts over the last few days…And before I start, please dont launch into labelling me a cocksmoker or fan of kim dotcom or lefty beneficiary bludger or whatever. i have no dog in this particular fight…nor do I want one so can we have some grown up discussion here. A few weeks back there was some discussion around a post regarding the usual bullying of red headed kids. The general explanation was that it’s a big bad world out there, we shouldn’t shelter our kids as we won’t always be around so bullying was in fact a good thing as it toughened our kids up….You said yourself Petal “this blog picks on anything for a story, and to single out gingers, or gays, or Catholics, or teachers, or politicians, or women,
    or cat lovers, or whatever for an exemption would simply be intellectually dishonest”, and WO also stated his reasoning for bullying was because he could, it generated page views, but did have the rider that his family was off limits and whilst it was ok for him if it involved his family violence would follow. Cam thought the country needed to ” harden the fuck up”.  So firstly, is mental health allowed an exemption for intellectual honesty but bullying of children by adults isnt? After the discussion around bullying I gathered nothing was off limits here, even ridiculing an elderly woman in her 80’s who couldn’t figure out her phone, from a news story covering this Cam managed to draw the conclusion she was a burden on her family and this was why they no longer called her or wanted to spend time with her….??? 
    And as Bunswalla tells us umpteen times, offence can only be taken, not given, so the person taking offence is the one with the problem, not the giver.
    Another comment was Cam didn’t involve people’s families when he threw shit at them, he feels as they are in the public eye they are fair game to him but he stated he didn’t go near their families. Well and good. But how does that explain his behavior towards Paul Holmes? Millie Holmes spent her time as Cams Tgt of the month for a while there, which included a number of extremely unflattering photos of her and lurid details of her personal life, most of which were completely unsubstantiated. While many in eulogies portrayed Holmes battle to get his daughter back from her addiction as his finest hour, Cam at this time nicknamed him ‘P’ Holmes whenever referenced,an obvious pisstake and held him up to ridicule constantly during this time.As for the comments here about these dicks going off half cocked before they knew any facts and potentially wrongly portraying offenders, Posts like this could potentially fall into that group
    http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2009/12/pissed-holmes-involved-in-drunken-stoush-with-photographer/
    As Cam states “It has been reported to me that he was buying drugs and the 2 guys were his dealers ie. Gangsters. Paul Holmes ran off and the photographer got dealt to by the thugs.” to start accusing someone of Holmes standing a drug dealer is a pretty big call, backed up by what? This story died a death and nothing else heard, certainly no evidence. So yes, these dicks can be accused of this, but they aren’t alone. And accusing someone of being a drug dealer is pretty major. But since when was Millie famous for anything….apart from being Paul Holmes daughter? That’s right your golden rule around families…….And last week Holmes was a saint, why the change of heart? Cause he passed away?
    In the posts last night the weight comments were rightly attributed to those with the mentality of a 12 year old. I agree, but for the last 2 months nearly daily we have seen posts with photo shopped images and various pictures of obesity, and all directed towards one individual with many comments about what a fat shit/fuck/cunt et al he is. So yes , it is a 12 year old mentality to revert to physical comments, much like calling someone a fag, or a cocksmoker, but this site has some form there perhaps. All we have seen is nasty pisstaking of someone’s weight issues.
    On the cocksmoker thing, the first term of abuse dealt out to anyone perceived as a cock/cunt/dickhead/idiot et al is the label “cocksmoker”. It’s obviously given as a term of derision and ridicule, so does that mean you feel that anyone who smokes cock is a cock/cunt/dickhead/idiot et al due to the fact they indeed, smoke cock? It is used here as an insult, I can only assume you find cocksmokers insulting. Here’s the rub, cocksmokers ( when used in your context) are homosexual men. So to consider them the way you do, and use them as the example you do would indicate you might not be as gay friendly as you think (Freudian perhaps). Maybe you are, but that type of talk could maybe be seen as Hatish? I certainly do.
    Of course the line should be drawn on posts where suggesting or wishing someone take their lives or suggesting violence towards others. But comments like “cops,glocks,problem solved” for example may fall into this category, as might the post by whale titled “perhaps shaking the baby would have helped” when referring to a crying baby in a restaurant. Shaking babies? This would suggest Whales suggestion itself may lead to harm…..yes it may have been in jest, but who is to know, much as the dicks mentioned here may be speaking in jest…who knows. This site is riddled with suggestions of violence let’s be honest.
    So putting aside the phone issue here, what is in fact acceptable and what isn’t? As a reader of over the last 4 years Ithink pretty much everything has been covered with no sacred cows in the posts and reactions by moderators, does that extend to the commenters as well?  Again,please don’t launch into an attack telling me what a cocksmoker/fool/idiot I am. This isnt an attack on anyone, not you cam, not any of the moderators. So try not to launch i nto the usual vitriol. Let’s have some guidelines, because obviously there are sacred cows, and no one wants to get on cams ” shitlist” do we, especially if we use his example as an indication.

    • Dave

      Ah, Congrats on the LONGEST post on WOBH since i have a regular……. so long I couldn’t be bothered reading your diatribe!

      This is a BLOG, not a site for novelists Suggest Mills and Boon since its just gone Valentines day.

      • Contractor

        that’s a win for both of us then as it was meant for those who don’t need pictures.

      • unsol

        Not quite….that fundamentalist fella who did a guest post on gay marriage a few months back wrote the longest post & comments ever.

    • Pissedoffyouth

      TL;DR

      • Mr Sackunkrak

        I think he/she/it had a point, a very lengthy and complex point, fucked if I know what it was.

        • Jester

          If that useless cunt Fozzie thinks its the bees knees its certainly a load of bollocks.

    • rightoverlabour

      too long to read – Fail

    • fozzie2

      Awesome post – far to many ideas words for the average WO ‘blog groupie’ to comprehend – they are still the the ‘Here is Spot ‘ phase of their education – the TL DR really is a mix up if TL CR – too long can’t read !

      • RightNow

        too wrong, didn’t read

    • Jimmie

      I read it and have some sympathy for Contractor’s confusion.

      I think the basic rule with WO is that anything goes except for what WO decides is over the top. However the tricky bit is WO’s standard for what is over the top may vary from day to day and whether he is stating it or a commentator.

      Also his standards may vary according to what mood he is in and may change from one year to the next – so I’m sorry mate but there will never be a set list of standards on WO as they would get broken too often.

      Either accept this or move on.

      The thing to do is don’t ever lose a sense of humour when you post. The minute you take participating in a blog too seriously is the time you need to take a break and go do something else for a month or two.

    • unsol

      I think you make some great points there long-winded one…..

      I agree that there are plenty of posts & comments that are well below the belt on here. And I also find the derogatory terms used against gay men rather baffling given they come from a Christian & someone who is apparently gay friendly. Perhaps he uses them as a way to invite the true bigots in or maybe he is just playing with those who are genuinely pro gay marriage/treating them with the same respect & common decency heteros take for granted. Who knows. But I dont care as I come on here to read about topics I find interesting, share my views & highlight bullshit & ignorance when I see it.

      I’m not sure I agree with the Paul Holmes stuff though – WO posted because he was dying then passed away…..didnt really see a lot of praise in there & definitely not for most commentators. As for Millie – it was MSN stuff & WO always posts on those things with a different twist. Maybe the drug buying aspect has some validity. But again, who cares. It is no worse than being called a racist….which PH was. Clearly.

      But to declare someone is a pedophile just because you dont like them or dont like their blog? Really low. Revolting beyond comprehension as it shows no empathy for those who have been affected by such devastating trauma. Just like the David Fisher stuff it makes the jibes, attacks & abrasiveness from WO pale in comparison.

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      • Contractor

        Agree there is no lower accusation than a paedo, hence my referral to those who made it as dicks, never condoning, and have no doubt WO is as repulsed by talk like that as the rest of us.

    • Bunswalla

      Thanks for posting and, since you mentioned me in your post, perhaps I can help clarify what I believe is the difference. it’s always hard to draw black and white lines, and as others have mentioned the line can shift from day to day. No point complaining about it; if we don’t like (or understand) the rules, we can choose to stop reading/contributing.

      I posted elsewhere on this thread (just above your comment) that there’s a difference between honestly holding an opinion and libelllng someone. I even mentioned that Cam will respect people’s point of view even when he doesn’t agree with it, and that he can cope with being roundly abused and told to pull his head in. Very few bloggers have that capacity, so big ups to WO for taking it, and for listening.

      A case in point is one that you and I both mentioned, albeit I didn’t name it. Cam has/had a propensity to target gingers, and after one too many post, a number of regular commentators, including me, pulled him up on it. While nothing was said, I haven’t noticed any similar posts in the last month or so. Maybe he decided there was no merit in continuing to attack gingers; maybe he was busy with other things or maybe it’s just a coincidence.

      i guess the bottom line is: she’s a hard road finding the perfect blog, mate. But this ‘un will do me for the time being.

      • Contractor

        Good call Bunswalla. Would the Holmes post be considered libel?

    • TL;DR

      • Contractor

        Yea you did.

    • This may come off as a flippant answer, but it really isn’t.

      This is the bit you’ve been looking for on the About page

      The rules? Oh those;

      1 The host is always right
      2 In the unlikely event the host is wrong then refer to rule number 1
      3 Stick to the topic
      4 Don’t tell lies about the host
      5 Whatever I feel like at any given moment.

      • GregM

        Contractor made some very good points, but at the end of the day this is Cams blog and if anyone doesn’t like it they are most welcome to fuck right off. There is a very clear line which defines “opinions or smears” from outright libel, and unfortunately some of the posters at GPF have fucked up big time and crossed that line. I would hope that the mods at GPF will start to wind some retarded posters heads in, which may restore some credibility to their otherwise bloody good detective work.

      • Mr_V4

        As I see it your can pretend those are the ‘rules’ or you can have credibility, but you can’t have both. (Particularly in relation to rules 1,2 and 5)

        • GregM

          Nah mate, I say bollocks to that.

          They are the rules, subject to change at any time, again like it or lump it.

          Credibility is so subjective, what I believe to be absolutely factually correct, you may think is a load of rubbish, and vise versa.

          The 1,000,000 page views per month suggests to me the mix here is about right, and we are all free to go to another blog, or indeed start our own anytime we want to.

          Cheers, G.

          • Mr_V4

            A rule where one person is always right? Hmm sounds like communist ideology not a “right-wing” blog to me.

        • I think I’ve written the following in some form or another for over 25 years now, but here we go:

          Mr/Mrs/Ms/Mssrs X’s bbs/website/forum/ezine/blog is a virtual place created by this person/these people and this virtual place isn’t subject to any of your ideas as to what the rules should be. You are here by invitation. Stick to the laws of the land with respect to libel/defamation, don’t anger the hosts or his/her/their friends, figure out the general lie of the land before you start contributing, don’t assume you have any rights to contribute here in any way, and after all that, welcome! Try to have a good time. We do really appreciate you being here.

          Oh, and Wil Wheaton has good one to summarise all above:

          “Don’t be a dick.”

    • Mr_Blobby

      Sorry, what was your point again.

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