Electric cars are totally gay

I fail to see why standing around for hours waiting for a charge is desirable. While there are three fifths of five eights of stuff all electric cars driven by smug people it is all fine and dandy, but as soon as you have to start queuing for a charge it will be the death of them.

Then of course there is the simple fact that they won’t solve suburban transport issues at all, in fact they will make them worse:

Electric vehicles have been touted as the dream technology to solve our suburban transport challenges and rescue us from oil dependence and environmental threats. Yet technology use occurs in a social context. Almost no discussion of electric vehicles has addressed the uneven suburban social patterns among which electric vehicles might be adopted.

The evidence that my colleagues Neil Sipe, Terry Li and I have assembled suggests the socio-economic structure of Australian suburbia, in combination with the distribution of public transport infrastructure, constitutes a major barrier to the widespread adoption of electric vehicles, especially among the most car-dependent households.

Relying on electric vehicles as a solution to energy and environmental problems may perpetuate suburban social disadvantage in a period of economic and resource insecurity.

The people most affected by poor transport options would be even more affected by a transition to gay electric cars.

It makes sense that households who are most car dependent and least able to afford higher fuel prices would be the most eager to switch to an electric car. But, it turns out, the social structure of Australian suburbia means these groups are poorly placed to lead such a transition.

In our study of Brisbane we created datasets linking vehicle fuel efficiency with household socio-economic status. In our analysis, high vehicle fuel efficiency, including hybrids, serves as a proxy for future electric vehicles. We linked motor vehicle registration data with the Green Vehicle dataset on fuel efficiency, plus travel and socio-economic data from the ABS Census.

Our analysis builds a rich picture of how the spatial distribution of vehicle efficiency intersects with suburban socio-spatial patterns, using Brisbane and Sydney as case studies.

We found that the average commuting distance increases with distance from the CBD while average fuel efficiency of vehicles declines. So outer suburban residents travel further, in less efficient vehicles, than more centrally situated households. Outer suburban residents are also likely to be on relatively lower incomes than those closer in.

The result is those living in the outer suburbs have relatively weaker socio-economic status but are paying more for transport. For example, one-third of the most disadvantaged suburbs in greater Brisbane also have the most energy-intensive motor vehicle use.

A socially equitable transition to highly fuel efficient or electric vehicles ought to favour those with the highest current exposure to high fuel prices. Yet our research finds it’s not likely to happen.

What a dilemma for the green taliban, who are in reality a bunch of socialists. They insist on moving to electric this and electric that, but in doing so isolate and perpetuate the poverty trap, which of course would lead them to claiming the poor need subsidised cars…and on it would go.


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  • maninblack

    But what I really don’t understand.. Most of the world’s electricity
    supplies are produced by coal and nuclear generation.. The green Taliban’s
    other enemies.

    • sheppy

      Never rely on the green Taliban to insist that we replace anything with something that is better or easier to use.

    • Mr_Blobby

      Nuclear generation is one of the cleanest energy sources. The problem in NZ is that the smallest commercial generator would produce about 80% of our energy needs. A big problem if it was to go offline.

      • Hazards001

        Build two!

        • Steve (North Shore)

          Build 5, we have to provide for the new immigrants. Not the bludging refugees, I mean the Asians. They work, they create businesses, they employ, they pay tax. They sure as shit don’t sit in the shade and wait/demand a State House like our Treaty EXPLOITERS do

          • Hazards001

            Actually they do fuck all of the above unless you’re already Asian. What they actually do is undercut existing business then hire each other and work for each other, hide tax, create an underground economy where they all work amongst themselves thus hiding tax even further, enter the country with no English but qualify under the amount of money in the bank loophole then when residency is gained send said money back for the next lot to use to come in after also bringing in 25 other dependants to suck us dry via medical care as one example.

            The Asian immigration wave started by the commies in Labour has done sweet fuck all to improve the lot of the average kiwi and plenty to drive the cost of housing up to a point where only the Asians with their 1% Chinese Government sponsored loans can afford it.

          • Mr_Blobby

            How is that worse than our treaty exploiters. You know the ones that claim everything, sit around on there bums, demand money and housing etc.

            Basically a net economic cost to the country, can you blame some one for not wanting to be a party to the, you pick up the bill, for these parasites.

          • Hazards001

            Well….i guess if they are pissing in your pot then it’s all good huh? I have seen builders, painters, fencers and Gib stoppers lose work to unskilled Asian contractors and THEN saw some of the results of the piss poor workmanship. Let me know how you feel about that as you watch your business being slashed to bits by piss poor pricing based on doing it badly.

            As to the “treaty exploiters” as a reason to dodge tax well that’s exactly my point.

            Those that don’t want to contribute to our economy shouldn’t be allowed in, we can’t stop the ones that are already here.

  • StupidDiscus

    So bludgers & peons & non-nett-taxpayers can’t afford to drive – what a pity.

    London’s congestion charge worked a treat at getting cars worth less than £20,000 off the streets! Going all electric would have an even better effect – in fact, because of LEV rules around the charge, we already see this in London.

    • Mr_Blobby

      Expect the greens to insist that the Government put a charging point in every state house when they install their air conditioning. Then spin for a grant to beneficiaries so they can buy electric vehicles to.

    • parorchestia

      This system was invented in Singapore and I think its implementation is better than in London which followed their lead many years later. Singapore also developed a superb public transport system which is much easier and cheaper to use than London’s. But there is no move to electric cars evident in Singapore so how can you predict a move to electric vehicles worldwide? And being an eclectic democracy the Singapore government does not force anyone off the roads, even if they can’t afford an expensive, usually over-priced European, car.

      As I have said before electric cars, like steam cars, had their chance to prove themselves – in the early nineteen hundreds. Batteries have not improved much since those days, but internal combustion engines certainly have. People have been trying to bring electrics back since the high fuel price days of the 1970s. It hasn’t worked. It should be a case of “dimisit populum decernere.” (Let the people decide).

  • Largely, I agree with you. It’s not feasible right now to replace cars with full electric. However there is exciting work being done on trucks by ex-pat Kiwi Ian Wright http://wrightspeed.com/ using an electric drive with onboard power generator to make powertrains with unlimited range, optimal performance and exceptional efficiency.

    • kohibruce

      The technology is improving including on fast charge sytems that overcome one of Cam’s objections. But electric cars are not there yet.

      • Mr_Blobby

        Not only fast but wireless, just park over a plate in the ground.

  • cows4me

    On reflection maybe these electric vehicles might be worth a go. Weekly trip into the city with missus, part outside tavern with power point, enter tavern and wait 5 hours. Missus can go to coffee shop, do business and come back to tavern to drive home, brilliant.

  • tarkwin

    The same old story, obtaining electricity is easy storing it is hard. Electric cars will only work when a far more efficient battery is made. Imagine having a battery that could store lightning, that would solve a few problems. of course the Greens would object…..

  • Edward

    Got a mate has one he made. Charges it at night and runs as cheap as chips for 3 days commuting before it needs another charge. Brilliant I say. Sure it’s no good for travelling more than a hundred km’s but he has another vehicle for that. It goes like a rocket too.

    • Mr_Blobby

      Well done, that man.

      Would like to go down that path myself, just to stick it to big oil and the Government.

      • Edward

        I reckon. The satisfaction of gliding past petrol stations as the price continues to rise must be off the scale.

  • parorchestia

    Hydrogen fuel might be the way of the future if exhaust gas purifiers aren’t possible for petroleum powered engines. Closed cycle gasifiers that burn almost anything and release no CO2 are looking promising.

    • Hazards001

      Have they solved the storage issue though? I understood that was always the biggest problem with hydrogen..the tank is bigger than the car…or some such thing.

  • Andy

    The Holden Volt has to be the worst offender. It costs $80,000NZ, is only a four seater (the 200kg battery takes up the fifth person space) and you carry around a petrol generator to charge the battery when you have travelled more than the range of the electric motor.

    The electric milk float was a common sight in London 40 years ago when I were a nipper, so the idea isn’t exactly new.

  • Steve (North Shore)

    Nothing but a golf cart, couldn’t pull the skin off a rice pudding, needs to be charged very often.
    Now where is this power coming from and how much more will we need for electric cars?
    More Hydro? nope – Greens
    More Coal fired? nope – Greens
    More Wind Turbines? nope – Greens
    Tidal Generators? nope – Greens
    Solar Panel Farms? nope – Greens
    Nuclear? never ever with those crazy fuckwit Greens
    Something that come from the Earth (Oil, Gas, Coal) is not good? Listen you fuckwits, the Oil, Gas, Coal was always here on this Planet. It is just being RECYCLED!!!
    So what the flaky Greens realy want is a car made of recycled Rimu, and powered by a natural made rubber band.
    Now I got it