Of course they do

No surprises in this story about maori with their hand out in another case of brown-mail:

The iwi that owns Lake Taupo is looking to charge Ironman New Zealand competitors about $56,000 for use of the lake during the swim leg of the endurance triathlon.

The proposed levy by Ngati Tuwharetoa would be about $40 a head for competitors, who have already paid at least $785 each to enter this year’s event, in which about 1450 people will take part next month. 

It is understood Ironman NZ officials will meet iwi trust board members tomorrow to discuss the proposal.

Race officials would not comment specifically on the levy proposal.

“It may be a matter of sitting down with the board and discussing what is required,” a race spokesman said.

Ngati Tuwharetoa spokesman Glen Inwood said the trust board was not in a position to discuss how much was being sought by the iwi.

“There are ongoing discussions with event organisers which are commercially sensitive.”

 


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  • Greg

    NOBODY OWNS THE BLOODY WATER.

  • BJ

    It was always going to be the outcome of Maori ownership (now remember, Maori concept of ownership is not about money) This is just the beginning – whitey has taught them well

    • BJ

      So if the event organisers cough up I hope the Iwi are going to have their assett presented to a high health standard on the day, that they organise the current and temperature, to be acceptable, there are no health hazards on their lake bed and that after the event they tidy and detox their patch to OSH standards. who maintains it – the Council do – who pays for it – Taupo ratepayers. This is why lakebeds and riverbed ownership is the most stupid thing ever

      • Brian of Mt Wellington

        It’s not only Taupo ratepayers who pay for it as my parents live in Huntly and part of their rates go to lake Taupo also.

  • Dan

    “Grant Morris, a senior law lecturer at Victoria University, said Ironman NZ, owned by World Triathlon Corporation, was a commercial operation.”

    I fail to see how the Iwi are any less deserving than a commerical operation collecting hefty fees for their own profit in someone else’s lake. Do you tories believe in property rights or not?

    • grumpy

      Bullshit – it’s not their lake. We bought it for a sack of beads and 2 axe handles…..

    • BJ

      The thing is most of us will never see our countries natural assetts as belonging too any minority group ever

      • Dan

        That’s because it doesn’t suit you to do so, hence my point about property rights. This blog regularly opines on the harsh treatments you would like to see meted out to criminals who refuse to respect private property rights, such as car thieves, burglars, armed robbers, etc. who cry foul when their ‘rights’ are trampled during their apprehension and subsequent incarceration for these violations of other people’s property rights.
        I would argue that you share these criminals’ belief that you can pick and choose which notions of property rights you will recognise, and which you will choose not to recognise. You hold a philosophically inconsistent position.

        • Michael

          I hear what you are saying and it would stack up IF the local Iwi paid for the lake’s care and maintenance.

          I have a car, I pay for the rego, the wof, the tyres, the services, no one else, therefore it is implicitly my property.

          The same can not be said for the lake.

          If the Iwi rejected local council funding and collected the funds needed to care for the lake through fees etc and not through govt collected taxes and handouts, then I whole heartedly support them and would encourage other Iwi’s to do the same.

          But you know what, that’s not what happens, they look for ANY chance to continually sponge off the govt and people around them, so the top 1% of the Iwi can drive around in their “flash cars” and send their own kids to private schools. I spent plenty of time in Northland and seen this happen all the time. This has nothing to do with the lake and is purely a revenue stream for them.

          This is gouging, plan and simple.

          • Dan

            “If the Iwi rejected local council funding and collected the funds needed
            to care for the lake through fees etc and not through govt collected
            taxes and handouts, then I whole heartedly support them and would
            encourage other Iwi’s to do the same.”

            Agreed.

          • Michael

            So while it’s not satisfactory, I think we are free to complain :)

          • Dan

            On the other side of that, how would you view it in terms of other property holders’ impact? Say the total transfer of maintenance to the Iwi was made, and it is noticed that agricultural runoff from commercial farming continues to damage waterways; the Iwi would be within their rights to demand compensation, no? Right now, the taxpayer socialises this on behalf of these commercial farmers via council funding for maintaining the lake – the sort of white welfare that is rarely protested around here – surely if you feel that the Iwi should be paying their own way in lieu of council subsidy, then they should be able to obtain satisfaction from commercial operations which pollute their asset directly from the polluters, rather than via ratepayer socialism?

          • BJ

            Maori never had lakes etc recognised as owning them many many years ago, long before present day Maori, that are part of this modern day economic system, because it was never the intention of the Treaty – if it had been suggested to the Crown back then – they would have laughed their heads off at how misconstrued the present day Maori have it.

          • BJ

            Maori have enough privileges already

        • Callum

          If as a farmer a river passes through my property I cannot prevent access or charge people to access what is deemed a public asset. Lake Taupo is a public asset.

        • Dion

          Bollocks. They’re claiming ownership of a lake because of their race. Property rights have nothing to do with it.

          • Bullshit. They’re claiming ownership of the lake because it is theirs. The Crown has given it to them. Property Rights has everything to do with it.

          • Dion

            And it was “given to them” why? Oh, that’s right.

        • BR

          There were no universally recognized property rights among pre-european Maori.

          And since you mention it, I believe that a homeowner should have the right to shoot dead on the spot any bastard he finds on his property committing a crime.

          Bill.

          • Dan

            But this isn’t a pre-European situation, it’s a messy, complicated modern world, where once again, we have had to socialise losses caused by deceptive practices of private interests, or the incompetence of a state which operated on behalf of them in the past, and created the mess we find ourselves in. It’s hardly unique to NZ – people all over the world are still tidying up after the mess that whitey greed made.
            That brings me to your second point; I too have my own home, but in my case I find it promotes understanding. and combines with my general desire to hold philosophically consistent views. I don’t see how you can be so emphatic about your own, yet dismissive of other people’s where/when it suits you to do so.

          • Mr_Blobby

            Let me speak plainly you are a complete tosser.

            Shit has been happening to people since the start of time, at some point you have to just accept that it happened and move on. Look at what Maori did to Maori.

            Now fuck off

          • Dan

            How could I fail to bow to such compelling logic?

          • Mr_Blobby

            Fuck off Noddy.

          • BR

            OK, so since Maori (actually part-Maori), exclusively by virtue of their race have inherited universally pre-existing property rights, how about a list of names and addresses of those who are owed money, how much they are owed, and by whom.

            Bill.

  • Phil

    This crap is indefensible greed. Which is why anyone who dares to criticise will be called a racist redneck by the greed mongers (and apologists).

    $1.5 million in annual fees paid to them by the Govt too!?!?!

    • Dan

      $40 charged by the iwi for the use their own lake vs. $785 charged by Triathlon NZ (subsidiary of the World Triathlon Corporation) to use someone else’s lake? I’m not going to call you a racist redneck, I’m just going to pity your inability to maintain a philosophically consistent position.

      • BJ

        The Taupo Council should be payed plenty because they maintain it and will ultimately be the one’s using ratepayer’s money that clean up any residue after these events

      • Phil

        I’d rather you took pity for me having to watch my hard earned tax dollars being squandered by govt after govt on PC nonsense like this. $1.5 million dollars in annual fees down the dunny every year in the small print of this story alone.

      • Callum

        The $785 pays for the road closure notices and other facilities required to run this sort of event, transition areas, safety marshall etc. What do the Iwi provide for the $40? Other than a PUBLIC asset which the lake is.

  • Mr_Blobby

    Say bye bye Iron man next year.

    1450 fools paid $785 each ($1,138,250)what a bunch of suckers, make it $80.

    • SJ00

      Whilst I don’t agree at all with the tribe charging to use the lake (how much do the pay to maintain it?), the people being ripped off the most are those paying $785. That is crazy money for a race. $40 on top of that isn’t going to make or break someone thinking of going or not. If the race cost $50-$150, then sure $40 is a large percentage to add on top, but $785…

  • grumpy

    Glen Inwood?????
    Isn’t he the front man for the Jap whaling crowd – Institute for Cetacean Research???
    …and a few of the Maori slave crew fishing companies….

  • thor42

    This is EXTORTION.

    Take the bastards to court. End of story.

    • williamabong

      There isn’t a court in the land that would go up against the brown people,Ngati Tuwharetoa have long been a law unto themselves i.e. clipping the ticket for trout fishing on Taupo, trout intrduced by white mother fuckers no less

  • williamabong

    Tell them they don’t own either the lake or the water contained and to fuck off, but I suppose to do this would be racisist, white guilt once again.

  • blokeintakapuna

    Ironic that it’s all about a race…

    • williamabong

      It is all about a race, one that stops a nation, it’s called Maori.

  • Michael

    I wonder what they charge per golf ball that ends up in the lake..

  • steve and monique

    Great,another example of why this treaty bullshit needs to be stopped. Any political party out there got the balls to do it,or is it easier to bash Muslims then Maoris.

  • Phar Lap

    What could the nation expect.All the appeasing given to the “I WANT ITS” or IWI as it is known .Dosnt,.mean shit.They are after the sun, the moon, the stars, the radio waves ,the wind and of course the water.The appeasers are like what Churchill once said keep feeding the crocodiles and hope like **** they will not be eaten .Works in most fair minded nations,will not work in NZ .the bloodsuckers living off the gravy train are drunk with greed and avarice and bloated with entitlement..

  • BJ

    On the western side of Lake Taupo over large areas of land, there are Maori living in shacks as they wish – they haven’t developed the land – they pay minimal rates or no rates at all.

  • Greg

    But, but, they said we wouldn’t have to pay to go to the beach, they said they were only looking after it, they said……
    This is just the start of it.
    Congratulations Doug Graham and co, take a bow.

  • Mr_V4

    No problems at all, so long as when these brownmailers file the paperwork in court they realise there is a $40 usage charge per character for use of the latin script.

  • worksux

    what fcks me of is, I pay $36 as part of my enviroment Waikato rates towards cleaning up their fckn lake, Shit I live in Hamilton its as if we made it messy. We are totaly getting rorted in this country

  • Don’t feed the fucking troll.

    • Dan

      Only on Whaleoil would bringing people up about their inability to hold a philosophically consistent position on property rights be considered trolling; it’s like we’re in the DC comics Bizarro world.

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