The unusual case for flat tax

Regular readers will know that for some time I have been posting a Daily Proverb. I have explained before why I do this, but the other day Dr. Ben Carson gave a speech at the President’s prayer breakfast…he started his speech with three quotes from Proverbs and all of them from Proverbs 11. Proverbs 11:9, Proverbs 11:12 and Proverbs 11:25

25 The generous will prosper;
those who refresh others will themselves be refreshed.

All of this is related to the book I was recommended to read: The Richest Man Who Ever Lived: King Solomon’s Secrets to Success, Wealth, and Happiness

So far it seems to be working out just like the books says it will.

Now surely this is a coincidence. I mean why would anyone email me and let me know about a speech that has three quote from Proverbs, and from Proverbs 11…on  the 11th of the month. Surely it is coincidence? Or is it?

I watched the speech, you should too. I will feature some parts of it today because it is the 11th and I have been sent a message to do something about this. 

The first is Carson’s views on taxation:

Late in his talk he dropped two very un-PC ideas. The first is an unusual case for a flat tax: “What we need to do is come up with something simple. And when I pick up my Bible, you know what I see? I see the fairest individual in the universe, God, and he’s given us a system. It’s called a tithe.

“We don’t necessarily have to do 10% but it’s the principle. He didn’t say if your crops fail, don’t give me any tithe or if you have a bumper crop, give me triple tithe. So there must be something inherently fair about proportionality. You make $10 billion, you put in a billion. You make $10 you put in one. Of course you’ve got to get rid of the loopholes. Some people say, ‘Well that’s not fair because it doesn’t hurt the guy who made $10 billion as much as the guy who made 10.’ Where does it say you’ve got to hurt the guy? He just put a billion dollars in the pot. We don’t need to hurt him. It’s that kind of thinking that has resulted in 602 banks in the Cayman Islands. That money needs to be back here building our infrastructure and creating jobs.”

I seriously implore you to watch this speech.


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  • Greg

    Not alot of emotion from Obama, I don’t think its his plan to have the USA prosper. As for flat tax
    bring it on!

  • LesleyNZ

    This speech by Dr Ben Carson is fantastic and brought tears to my eyes.How far down the slippery slope the fabric of our society has slid. EVERY MP here in NZ should watch the video – it should be compulsory or played during parliament.
    Watching this speech is 27:31 mins – we should set aside 27:31 mins of our day to watch. It was the best 27:31 mins I have spent online in a long, long time.
    “One nation under God – indivisible with liberty and justice for all.”
    And….it is very obvious that we need more Doctors in our parliament ….and I don’t mean Dr’s of Art or Philosophy – we need proper Doctors..
    And….. interesting watching President Obama’s facial expression – he was like a statue. Wonder what he was thinking?

    • BJ

      He was thinking of offering the man his job.

      • StupidDisqus

        He was thinking, can I get Chuck Hagel to add Carson’s name to the Predator Target List

  • LesleyNZ

    ..and the flat tax is a good proposal.

  • ConwayCaptain


  • BJ

    Spot-on post WO.

    Inspirational ideas and hearing of life-changing experiences is the only thing that adds value to another ones life. Opinions change nothing in the world – people will only ‘sign up’ for change if they become emotionally connected to an idea.

    • StupidDisqus

      Inspirational ideas and hearing of life-changing experiences is the only thing that adds value to another ones life

      crap. I’d rather have say $1,000 than any number of pathetic “inspirational ideas and life-changing experiences”

      in this life, one thing counts: in the bank, large amounts.

      • BJ

        SD see if you change your view when you’re old and reflective.
        Money is very nice don’t get me wrong but maybe my using the word value only means ‘monetary’ to you

  • kehua

    Thankyou for posting this speech Cam, it should be a `must watch` for every 14 year old in the country, their parent/s and their MP`s.

  • TeacherUnionsRscum

    But the rich people

    Hone Hawawera is proposing a 1% financial transaction tax – is this the same?

    • In Vino Veritas

      No. Harawira and his mob would be those who say “it’s not hurting them enough”.

    • StupidDisqus

      No! it’s the direct opposite: Harawira’s tax is the so-called “Robin Hood” or “Joe Stalin” tax – if you don’t have any money you pay nothing, if you have money you pay $1 of every $100 anytime you use any form of banking.

      So your employer pays you $100, Hone takes $1.
      You pay $50 for groceries, Hone takes 50c.
      You transfer $25 to your Kiwisaver, Hone takes 25c
      You transfer $25 to your kids, Hon takes 25c..

      the more money you have, the more you pay and pay and pay and pay and pay

      • Mr_Blobby

        Cash is still King.

  • LesleyNZ

    No wonder president Obama looked so stoney faced. He doesn’t understand the Bible that Dr Benjamin Carson believes in. If only he had read the following before he mocked the Bible in his speech in 2008. Obama Mocking the Bible –
    Romans 10:4: For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
    How Christ Fulfilled and Ended the Old Testament Regime –

  • unsol

    “One nation under God – indivisible with liberty and justice for all.”

    Cameron – do you think that extends to the LGBT community? Has he made his views known on gay marriage? I would assume he would be against.

    It was a good speech, and as a fan of flat tax I think he made his point well. But I do have problems with conservative Christians who claim to believe in such noble things as liberty, justice, freedom of expression etc yet always follow this with a but any time LGBT are brought into the conversation….let alone things like abortion etc.

    Funny that Obama was half asleep – I thought the speech was very entertaining. I might check out Carson’s books as he is clearly a very clever man.

  • Ronnie Chow

    Vladimir Putin swears by the flat tax .(25%) , for mother Russia.

  • StupidDisqus

    That’s not a flat tax – that’s a proportional tax – precisely because whoever earns 10 Billion pays 1 Billion.

    A flat tax – everyone pays the same: earn $100 pay $100; earn $100 Billion pay $100. Earn $0 pay $100. that’s a truly flat tax

    And if you want to start quoting the Bible, note that the tithe is on income not profit. Know any companies that pay anything near 10% of revenue in tax because I sure as fuck don’t. And why should they?

    Let’s face it: from each according to his ability – is the core of Marxism.

    Thatcher’s excellent poll tax , about £1000 per head (sadly only £200 for children & students) was the closest we have come to a flat tax in recent years. Unfortunately England’s unarmed police force lacked the courage to enforce payment, although, by ensuring many bludgers and unionist were unable to register on the electoral roll, it did ensure John Major’s first election was somewhat democratic, and returned the Conservatives. Major’s anti-democratic, anti-Thatcher U-turn abolished the fair, flat poll tax and so lead directly to the Blair/Brown communist regime in the UK.

    • BJ

      Yes I see know – Ben Carson is not actually promoting a Flat Tax. Definitions can be tricky.

      • StupidDisqus

        It’s interesting that, due to the various deductions in most Welfare West tax systems – including both NZ & the US – figures I’ve seen say the current tax systems are roughly proportional overall, at least down to quintiles, the nett percentage tax paid is more or less flat..

    • unsol

      You make a good point.

      “Let’s face it: from each according to his ability – is the core of Marxism”

      So true…