Vatican will be run by two popes. A co-papal arrangement, if you like



Andrew Sullivan writes

The damage Benedict XVI has done to the Catholic church and the papacy may be far from over. All I can say about yesterday’s developments is that they seem potentially disastrous and also indicative to me of something truly weird going on underneath all of this.

Benedict XVI has claimed that his almost unprecedented resignation came about simply because of his physical infirmity in the face of what appears to be a growing vortex of sexual and financial scandal inside the Vatican. He said he would quietly disappear to serve the church through prayer and meditation. But we now realize he’s going nowhere. He’s staying in the Vatican’s walls, and retaining the honorific “His Holiness.” He will keep white robes. His full title will be Pope Emeritus. Far from wearing clerical black, returning to the title of Bishop of Rome, and disappearing into a monastery in Bavaria, he’s going to be a shadow Pope in the Vatican. And this, we are told, was his decision:  

The Vatican spokesman, the Rev. Federico Lombardi, said Benedict himself had made the decision in consultation with others, settling on “Your Holiness Benedict XVI” and either emeritus pope or emeritus Roman pontiff. Lombardi said he didn’t know why Benedict had decided to drop his other main title: bishop of Rome.

What a mess.  If there was any dignity surrounding the Pope and the Vatican, surely this has to be the final nail in its grubby little coffin?

If you were trying to avoid any hint of meddling, of a Deng Xiao Peng-type figure pulling strings behind the scenes, you would not be doing this. The only thing the Pope will give up, apparently, are his red Prada shoes. He has some fabulous brown leather artisanal ones to replace them. But this is what really made me sit up straight, so to speak:

Benedict’s trusted secretary, Monsignor Georg Gänswein, will be serving both pontiffs — living with Benedict at the monastery inside the Vatican and keeping his day job as prefect of the new pope’s household. Asked about the potential conflicts, Lombardi was defensive, saying the decisions had been clearly reasoned and were likely chosen for the sake of simplicity. “I believe it was well thought out,” he said.

What’s going on?  Really?  This is extremely weird.

Sullivan says out loud what many are thinking:

So Benedict’s handsome male companion will continue to live with him, while working for the other Pope during the day. Are we supposed to think that’s, well, a normal arrangement?

Heh.  He closes his piece with a great summary.

This man – clearly in some kind of love with Ratzinger (and vice-versa) will now be working for the new Pope as secretary in the day and spending the nights with the Pope Emeritus.

This is not the Vatican. It’s Melrose Place.


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  • Ronnie Chow

    Having these guys in charge of the moral direction and education of millions is like having alcoholics manning the pits in a Formula 1 race .

  • For a fraternal organisation preaching that being gay is a sin, they really have a serious PR problem with this.

    • unsol

      So is the pope gay too? I thought it was just most of his staff…..

      • Lion_ess

        Corruption is top-down, not the other way around.

      • Rodger T

        If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck……………………

    • The Pope is not gay, and neither is his secretary. Andrew Sullivan is looking at them through the lens of a gay man who is dreaming.

      • Goldie

        An effeminate man who likes to wear perfume, lace dresses, prada slippers, and a bedazzled hat, and lives with another man.

        Of course he’s not gay.

  • PlanetOrphan

    Well, Hopefully it’s a sign of non-delusional behaviour, and I doubt sex is invovled.

    Based on the spiritual anger in the cosmos since his anouncement, I’d say all the underlings are very much “Living the Delusion” and are extremely emotional.

    My verdict … It’s the best solution … Good luck to them and they should make sure they don’t let the delusions win again.

    • Ronnie Chow

      “I doubt sex is involved” Then , this must be love .

  • PlanetOrphan

    For a larf …

    Christianity BC or proof of God

    Imagine 100 slaves with a hemp rope over their shoulders pulling the legendary 10tonne stone block.
    The whip cracks, the slaves moan… ***aaaaahhhhh—god help us****** ….. with a grind the block moves 4inches forward.

    Damn it says one of the slaves “We should stop saying that!”
    A Guard walks over, right smart arse the priests want a word with you….

    All the slaves look on thinking “Lucky Bastard”, later that afternoon they
    see him surrounded by gorgeous women and priests with a stupid dopey

    They never saw him again, but those smiling priests sure did look smug M8!

    Necromancy Bud.

    and Yes if you want to lift heavy objects , it helps, try it if you have a chance.

    • Agent BallSack

      It’s okay you didnt say Jehovah arrrrrrghhhhh

      • PlanetOrphan

        They have that one covered 2 m8, although they’d argue the distance factors involved I’m sure :-)
        “We were getting 12inches M8!”

  • Says Sullivan, in another post:

    The dynamic in which closeted gay men actively persecute openly gay men as a way of credentializing their own alleged heterosexuality is not exactly news. Some of the most virulent hunters of homosexuals – from J. Edgar Hoover to Roy Cohn – were closeted homosexuals themselves. But when it comes to the disproportionately gay Catholic priesthood, it has, especially under Benedict XVI, intensified to new heights of hypocrisy

    and he doesn’t pull any punches:

    Britain will have no representative at the Conclave because the Cardinals are either too old or too sexually compromised. But Cardinal Mahony of Los Angeles, found unequivocally guilty of hiding and enabling the rape of children, will show up in his red robes. Why exactly is he allowed to go while O’Brien has resigned? Will he grab a sherry with Cardinal Law, another enabler of child-rape actually rewarded by the Vatican with a sinecure in Rome?

    • Agent BallSack

      A Church full of a bunch of cloistered men showering, sleeping, living together whilst dressing in drag, kneeling and kissing each others rings has an issue with homosexuality occurring? Go figure!

      • Agent BallSack

        Let’s not even mention the vows of abstinence, I have always had deep seated misgivings about its efficacy.

    • Blair Mulholland

      Except there is no proof anywhere that Hoover was gay. Once again Sullivan is making shit up.

  • Lion_ess

    When do the “sheep” wake up?

    • Rodger T

      : )

      • Agent BallSack

        That is the best picture answer I have seen yet.

  • sandynobb

    And the gorgeous Archbishop Georg Ganswein (pictured), Vogue cover model & George Clooney of the Vatican, will be serving two masters – the Pope emeritus ( as private secretary) and the other Pope (as head of the Papal household).

    To complete the farce, Benedict may as well move to Avignon

  • P1LL

    so who will be dressing up as the schoolboy ?

  • Agent BallSack

    Thats all good but whos gonna be on top?

    • Steve (North Shore)

      sixty nine minutes each day – twice a day

      • sandynobb

        Don’t drop the Pope on a rope in the shower.

  • enough about the Catholics…check these wacko American south doomsday religious nutjob rapists out !!!

    • Lion_ess

      Nice try Ratty, there are doomsday religious nut-jobs everywhere – we just happen to be discussing Pope (S)Queer Pants here.

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  • Goldie

    From a conservative catholic blogger, Rod Dreher –

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  • Blair Mulholland

    Weird to look at this thread and see all the stuff about the Pope supposedly being gay, when I’m far more interested in the issue of Benedict hanging around the Vatican like a bad smell. “Pope Emeritus”?!! He may as well have gone all Family Guy and called himself “THE SUPERPOPE!!!”
    He can do what he likes until a couple of hours from now, but Ratzinger will not be the actual Pope in a few weeks. I guarantee you that the next Pope will gently “exile” him somewhere. I can’t imagine him putting up with the situation for too long, whoever he is.

  • PlanetOrphan

    I take it back, they aren’t trying to fix a broken illicit underground organisation.

    The Pope and His new Girlfriend are only thinking about themselves.
    Excommunicate them, disband the Catholic church, there is no other option.

    They are a pack of Witches that will try and posses you.

    Do not trust them.

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  • peterwn

    Will we see soon – ‘Joe Ratzinger should buy Truth this week ‘ (or ask the Papal Nuncio at Lyall Bay to get one from the local dairy and put it in the diplomatic bag).