At least he didn’t cover up the systematic buggering of little boys

Looks like the new pope has a few issues.

What one did not hear from any senior member of the Argentine hierarchy was any expression of regret for the church’s collaboration and in these crimes. The extent of the church’s complicity in the dark deeds was excellently set out by Horacio Verbitsky, one of Argentina’s most notable journalists, in his book El Silencio (Silence). He recounts how the Argentine navy with the connivance of Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio, now the Jesuit archbishop of Buenos Aires, hid from a visiting delegation of the Inter-American Human Rights Commission the dictatorship’s political prisoners. 

Bergoglio was hiding them in nothing less than his holiday home in an island called El Silencio in the River Plate. The most shaming thing for the church is that in such circumstances Bergoglio’s name was allowed to go forward in the ballot to chose the successor of John Paul II. What scandal would not have ensued if the first pope ever to be elected from the continent of America had been revealed as an accessory to murder and false imprisonment.

Let’s hope he displays a bit more courage in dealing with the pederasts hiding in the clergy.


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  • Phar Lap

    Yes where are we at with the school teacher in Kaitaia.What was the last count,seventy two little boy buggering charges.Wonder who will give the same directive to teachers.

    • Gazzaw

      That teacher must be a bit like a Maori AB PL who is only one sixteenth Maori but that is sufficient to qualify you for selection. Maybe he had a great great grandfather who was a Catholic.

  • Gazzaw

    Let’s give the bloke a bit of a fair go at least for a few weeks Cam. Kiwis are like that. It’s all speculation about what he will or will not achieve about resolving the major issues of his Church. I wasnt surprised to hear the ‘bad’ stuff so quickly about the new pope as I have no doubt that every likely candidate had their backgrounds well and truly researched by the media beforehand.

    I’m a non-believer so I have no personal axe to grind. The paedophaelia issue is absolutely appalling and needs a genuine and a major initiative from the top to deal to it. Let’s see what the new pope does before we climb into him. If he doesn’t then I’ll be the first to condemn him.

  • Random66

    Disappointing to discover Bergoglia is already adept in hiding the suffering of others whilst supporting and aiding those guilty of inflicting said suffering. Just more of the same then…

  • peterwn

    Wonder what his stance on Falkland Islands was, is, will be.


    • Gazzaw

      “So far as we know”. That’s such a great qualifier Donovan. It could apply to you or any one of us here (so far as we know).

      • (I’ll stash the caps) At least Gazzaw didn’t cover up the systematic buggering of little boys (so far as we know). You’re right, it could. Of course, I (and indeed, probably the royal we) don’t have any reason to suspect you as much as I do RCC priests and Cardinal sinners.

        • Gazzaw

          …or even Northland reachers.

          • Fair enough, but regardless of the mettle of the man, the organisation he heads carries with it a legacy of infamy which is quite possibly unprecedented in history in terms of its depravity, perniciousness and sheer bloody persistence. Tolerating libtards is a push, tolerating the RCC is a big fucking shove.

          • Gazzaw

            The Catholics were the only Christian faith in Europe until the Reformation and even now the Anglicans still largely follow the Catholic dogma. I agree with you Donovan and that’s largely why I gave religion away. But that’s beside the point. The Catholic church is a significant part of hundreds of millions of peoples’ lives and I’m not about to decry their faith, they just like me have made their decision and I respect that.

            I have two issues – first, the pope needs a fair go at fixing the churches problems before we get stuck into him. Second, my issue is with some of the contributors here are all too ready to put down religion be it Catholicism, Islam, Judaism out of sheer ignorance. All religions have their extreme elements and most have some nasty undertones such as paedophilia but that’s no reason to continually pour ridicule on faiths that are meaningful to so many people. I’m not including you in those comments Donovan, just spouting off generally about the prejudices that do this site an injustice.

          • thehawkreturns

            Not quite Gazzaw. Although the Catholics are the worlds biggest paedo network their faith does not intone them to do that. Neither do the Christian churches (Jesus instructed his followers that they could only pray through him as he was part of God and not through idols, so I cannot count Catholics as Christians) or Jews. Islam however, well that instructs its brainwashed masses to kill every infidel. You have been warned. By them.

          • Blair Mulholland

            “The Catholics were the only Christian faith in Europe until the Reformation…”
            Not true. The Orthodox Church was the only Christian faith anywhere until the Great Schism of the 11th Century, where the Roman church broke off and later became known as the Catholic Church. I notice that Catholics themselves lie a lot about this and like to pretend that Orthodoxy was a branch of Catholicism before then, but it’s nonsense.

            To this day the Orthodox Church is dominant in many parts of Europe, notably Greece and Russia.

          • I ‘liked’ your comment, just because you are reasonable and considerate of others. But I reckon that which is deserving of contempt, on account of track record, should be treated with contempt. Religion in general and the RCC in particular, fall unambiguously into this category – through my eyes, at least. I mean really, believing in an invisible man in the sky etc etc. Until we move past that absurd nonsense, we will remain a rather primitive species. Something to consider, too: prejudice is almost always used pejoratively. However, applying prejudice doesn’t necessarily mean the pre-judgement is wrong or inaccurate. It’s a handy tool for not wasting thinking time in coming to a likely conclusion. I’d stake money on several scandals emerging around Poop Francis, probably before the week is out (and it’s already Friday). Cheers mate!

  • island time

    Bergoglio apparently came second to the previous Pope in the last election….It is well known that the Catholic Church is the largest pedo network in the world….surely some of them must find some nuns to get stuck into????

  • Mr_Blobby

    More of the same same

  • Blair Mulholland

    Seems like everywhere I go on the internet, people are only too happy to publish unfounded accusations about the new pope. The Guardian has already published a retraction to this story, but nobody seems to have noticed:

    In last night’s live blog on the papal appointment we posted an extract from and a link to a 2011 comment piece by Hugh O’Shaughnessy about allegations that the the Catholic church was complicit in human rights abuses during Argentina’s military dictatorship.
    The original article suggested that Argentinian journalist Horacio Verbitsky claimed that Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio connived with the Argentinian Navy to hide political prisoners on an island called El Silencio during an inspection by human rights monitors. Although Verbitsky makes other allegations about Bergoglio’s complicity in human right abuses, he does not make this claim.
    The original article also wrongly described El Silencio as Bergoglio’s “holiday home”. The article has now been amended and the extract removed from yesterday’s live blog. Our report on the questions surrounding Bergoglio’s alleged complicity in human rights abuses is here.

    From what I’ve read, Bergoglio saved a lot of lives. Anyone accusing him of cowardice should ask themselves whether they would be prepared to lay down their life and go to jail (or out the back of a Hercules aircraft) themselves, or whether they would pick their battles, as he did. Those on the Right who criticise should also ask themselves whether the Catholic church should consider itself obliged to defend a bunch of communists, which is what the bulk of the political prisoners during the Dirty War were.