Gay people have no right to sit on the front benches in parliament and, if there at all, should sit in the back “or even behind a wall”.

So says Lech Walesa, Poland’s first democratic era President. As a result a protest from Poland’s gay and transexual MPs has manifested in the parliament:

Poland’s first openly gay and transsexual parliamentarians have taken seats on the front bench of the national assembly to protest against hostile remarks by former president Lech Walesa.

Walesa, the leading hero in Poland’s successful anti-communist struggle in the 1980s, said last Friday that gay people belonged on the back benches of parliament, or “even behind the wall”.

Lovely and from a person who stood for freedoms.

On Wednesday, Robert Biedron, a gay rights activist, and Anna Grodzka, who had a male-to-female sex-change operation, took seats in the front row of the assembly. Both are members of the progressive Palikot’s Movement party, and party leader Janusz Palikot arranged for the two to sit in, relinquishing his own seat to Biedron.

“Lech Walesa is an important symbol for us all and for the whole world,” Biedron told the Associated Press before attending the session. “I respect him and I’d rather he used other words – words of acceptance and of respect for other people.”

Walesa, a Roman Catholic and a father of eight, is known for his strong views and distinctive way of expressing himself.

Always the Catholics isn’t it?

 


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  • I have the same feeling about most Green Taliban and half of the Labour MPs.

    • Hazards001

      Personally I have the same feeling about List MP’s..if you weren’t voted in then no seat at the front of the gravy bus!

  • Andrei

    Always the Catholics gays isn’t it?

    Are they capable of anything other than making little fusses

  • Agent BallSack

    I know a lot of countries are going for the pro gay stance that’s fine we are a democracy for want of a better description. I don’t think we should be forcing other countries to follow suit, especially highly Catholic ones like Poland just in case, you know – on the off chance that Lucia Maria is right.

    • unsol

      I am absolutely certain that Lucia Maria & Andrei are way off base. 150%.

      But I agree with the comments on Poland – other countries have their own laws/cultures/way of doing things & while some things that go are completely barbaric, antiquated & devoid of any moral compass or even proof that God did in fact create some people, end of the day we live in NZ and it is our laws & our issues that should concern us most.

      What I would like to see from everyone in this country, is a better attitude towards children. Both in terms of the moddly coddling or helicopter parents whose children will grow up to be incapable losers and in terms of the abusive, neglectful or dismissive ones.

      I would like more men especially to emulate the likes of Ian Grant – wonderful man who was made a NZer of the year. I have no idea what his views are on gay marriage, but as he is Christian I can assume he is against, but I dont mind as I am sure any views he would express would be with grace & love towards others rather than judgment, hatred & condemnation.

      • JimboBug

        Not all Christians are against. My 95 year old grandfather was a reverend and was very much pro gay rights and marriage. He used to have rows with the vicar who took over from him if the vicar were to use his sermon to preach intolerance!

        His view was that Jesus was sent by God to ensure that all communities were viewed with equal respect and treated equally (as shown by the parable of the Good Samaritan … one of his favourites). Just because some people misinterpreted or span the bible to suit their prejudices didn’t (and still doesn’t) mean that you can’t look at the way that Jesus acted and his teachings to seek guidance in the modern world.

        Unfortunately he’s dead now but, I’m sure, would be very happy to see that a long standing injustice will soon be righted.

        • unsol

          Yes I agree, not all are against at all. None I know are. But if I am going to make an assumption then I will assume most would be as the mainstream take his that the Bible condones loving, committed same sex relationships (while most theologians – Christian or otherwise, state it says nothing of the sort as refers only to the rape of male slaves by their heterosexual masters).

  • LabTested

    In this case saying “always the Catholics isn’t it?” is a bit like saying why are there so many Asians in China.

    Im in Poland at the moment. The fact is everyone here is Catholic whether they like it or not.

    Im not supporting Lech or Catholics. Just thought the comment about Catholics was strange given this is Poland

    • Andrei

      Poland was set up that way after WW2, there were population transfers to move Catholic Poles from outside Poland to the Poland as the borders were defined after WW2 and non Catholics to other lands appropriate to their culture and religion.

      Churchill supported this BTW

  • Lovely and from a person who stood for freedoms.

    Lech Walesa, as a person who fought against Communism, is not going to replace one lie with another.

  • BR

    “Both are members of the progressive Palikot’s Movement party”

    No surprises there.

    Bill.

  • J.M

    Lech Walesa is a man I have the utmost respect for, firstly as a Catholic and secondly as a Polonist. Given Poland’s demographics, homosexuality is something they rightly are not encouraging.

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