This teacher hates paid union meetings

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Hi Cam.  We just sent this home with the kids.  And it is a lot of fun having the parents look at you as a piece of dirt for making them quit work early so that we can have a paid union meet.  I know there are pretty gung-ho schools out there, but at ours we all roll our eyes, look at our rep with daggers in our eyes, and wonder how we’re going to catch up on our lesson plans because of it.  I do a lot of relief teaching around the region, and at most schools most staff hate this with a passion. I can’t wait for National to stand up and break the last union strong hold in this country. Isn’t it time?

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  • Orange

    Some years none, some years maximum of two. It’s in the employment contract. It’s usually a short school day finishing 12:30 or 1pm. With lunch and other normal school things happening you lose about 1 hr of class time. I’ve never seen any eye rolling at having a meeting. Strikes yes, meetings no. What kind of lesson plans does s/he do relief teaching btw? How can one be at most schools just before a single meeting?

    • Teachersrock

      This is your typical anti union teacher who takes the perks the union wins, does not pay they fee, then bitches about the union.

      Teachers like this should get nothing that union members get.

      • Cadwallader

        Solidarity amongst the whining non-professionals?

      • 4077th

        You are clearly conflicted in your beliefs..either you want the same rights for everyone or you don’t. If you wish to exclude others because they are not a paid member that would put you firmly in the blue camp. Make your mind up! Cake, eating it too..

        • Teachersrock

          No conflict at all. The problem with people like you is you are so tied into your blind ideology you cannot grasp people can hold many views on things and it is all ok.

          So calm your little mind, take a deep breath and try to look beyond your tired outdated world view.

  • Honcho

    Why can’t they have a paid meeting starting some time after 3pm? just asking

    • Sarrs

      Teachers do love to crap on about how they don’t just knock off at 3 so surely any time after 3 should still be considered working hours. I call bullshit on their need to hold these meeting between 9 and 3

      • Orange

        The once off meetings start before 3. They rarely finish before. Sometimes they have to go hours after (thinking back to when Labour was in government and the unions had lots to gripe about), and then people might have an hour drive back across the mountains. How about a more thinking argument from you? What about instead of trying to make an argument about what the best logistical time for the meeting is, you make an argument about what the meeting is about?

        • Sarrs

          Um, Orange, my argument is that if they are so dedicated to teaching they wouldn’t sacrifice any classroom time for their union. As they regularly state their day doesn’t finish at three then they should hold all meeting after three. There really isn’t anything else to say. I have to go to meetings and conferences all the time for my job and sometimes *gasp* they are in the mornings or even *shock horror* over the weekend. Who gives a rats arse? If it’s for the school, they will be adequately remunerated for their time. If it’s for the union they won’t so they hold their precious union meeting during classroom time so they can be paid for it. Sure, that’s a legislated right, but don’t tell me these teachers are so committed to the classroom when, given the choice, they would rather hold a meeting during the day and get paid for it while the kids get some numpty reliever when they could just hold it after work and not get paid for it.

          • Orange

            No “classroom time” is lost to union meetings. Total classroom hours and half days over the course of the year are set by the Government.

    • Orange

      Union meetings are at lunchtime. The one combined meeting that may occur would involve maybe 1000-1500 people. I don’t think the logistics would work very well if you included that extra hour.

  • Mr Sackunkrak

    May I suggest to your correspondent that he or she send a message to the NZEI by cancelling his or her membership, and encourage all colleagues to do the same.

    • Teachersrock

      I doubt this person is an NZEI member. However this person will be collecting all the benefits that NZEI has won for its members.

      It is people like this who should get nothing from NZEI negations. They want the same that NZEI members get, let them go fight for it instead of bitching and moaning about a legal meeting then taking the hard won rights of union memnbers as their own.

      • Grizz30

        You would get a lot more respect from parents if you held your meeting after 3pm. How is pissing off a bunch of working parents showing that your union is ultimately working in the best interests of thier children. Whether it is true or not, it just makes you look self centred.

        • Orange

          I think the logistics of that one hour per year vs the traffic disruption shows its an intelligent choice in the best interests of both the students and their working parents. It is not a regular activity, it is an exception. Travel distances are also not small to these combined meetings. They are a legal requirement. If you do not like laws, work to change them. If you showed an understanding of the logistics, the length of the meetings, and the exceptional nature of the meeting that would be a good start.

          • Grizz30

            The notice did not say anything about the meeting being offsite. If it was held at the school, they can hold it outside of teaching time.

          • Orange

            They are always held at one school or another. But, unlike normal branch meetings held at lunchtimes, the bigger combined meetings usually require the extra time and are a legal requirement (how boring) of things like the pay ratification process. I wonder if they have a pay offer from the Government and how they will be voting. Ah to be a fly on the wall.

        • Teachersrock

          In the last few years a large number of meetings have been after 3pm, however the point of having in school hours is to make the Government pay attention.

          From what I have heard the government negation team have behaved in a disgusting manner. They have taken almost delight in ridiculing teachers on a daily basis during the meetings. There are a lot of other things that they have said and offered which have demonstrated they have no interest in the professional development of teachers, or the learning of kids, but obviously because negotiations are ongoing I will not elaborate beyond this, the negotiations so far have been a disgrace and the Government have been amazingly arrogant and ideologically driven and proved they care not a jot about teachers or kids. .

          • 4077th

            “Make the government pay attention” You have got to be kidding me! So sending the kids home early or creating an issue for the parents is how you get attention? I bloody well hope you are not a teacher at either of my daughters school. God knows what drivel you will be reciting to them about your cause. Get on with your bloody job like the rest of us do and HTFU

          • Teachersrock

            Hey idiot, kids do not have to go home. Schools are open. Feel free to leave your kids at school.

  • BigDes

    If they had a decent board, they would ring NZSTA and discover that what they are doing is illegal. The school MUST remain open for instruction. There will be more than one meeting available to the staff so that they can all go at different times to minimise the impact on the school. They are allowed 2 paid meetings a year. The BOT will have signed off on this so they are either too timid to challenge, or have been fed half the information and not checked up on the actual facts. Either way they should have asked the question– is this situation in the best interest of the kids?, obviously the kids are going to lose an afternoons tuition, when numerous studies show that they already have to little class time. So this decision falls the most basic test that the board should be applying if they were acting prudently. FYI the meetings will be on the NZEI website.

    • Teachersrock

      The school is not closing. It is advising parents that most teachers will not be there.

      Parents can leave their kids at the school, as they can any school. So any bullshit suggestion of this being illegal is just that… anti union hating bullshit.

      • BigDes

        The school cannot be “open for instruction” if the teachers aren’t there. So the kids miss out. If everyone works in the best interests of the kids the best decisions are made.

        • Teachersrock

          A school must be open and open it will be. And instruction is not just reading writing and maths. The NZC is far more advanced than just the basics.

      • BigDes

        And you obviously haven’t read the advice from the Ministry, or talked to NZSTA, but instead believed everything fed to you by NZEI. Get yourself informed, otherwise you just come across as ideologically driven, and that doesn’t help the kids either.

        • Teachersrock

          Given my position, I do know the rules and the requirements of the BOT and schools. Please do not think I am like the ideologically driven right wing teacher haters on here who know nothing.

          • BigDes

            By your words and actions, so shall you be judged.

          • Teachersrock

            Something the right wing should remember.

  • Guest

    As a non-union full time teacher I am appalled at these meetings. I attended one once and it was so poorly run that nobody really knew what they were voting for and decisions were made on a rough count of hands. Some people voted for and against the motion, so confused were they.
    One meeting, apparently, was taken up with 45 minutes of kapa haka ffs. My colleagues were saying today that they had no idea why there was a meeting. Too late for Novopay- not a word from the NZEI on that front. And most colleagues see no issue with charter schools. Just leaves me wondering why, and who are the NZEI really interested in

    • Cadwallader

      You’re a voice in the wilderness….start yelling loudly. Here’s cheers to you.

  • Tony V

    Yep, taking a day off work for this. No point driving an hour to the city, working for 3 hours then driving an hour back.

  • deanobravo

    Holy shit! A socialist/communist accusing others of having an outdated world view. This is my first ever post on a blog. I just couldn’t let that go.

    • Teachersrock

      LMAO, a communist am I. Ohhhh dear how little you know. Guess I better give all my nice expensive toys to all the neighbours who live along with me in our up market neighbourhood.

      Idiot.

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