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From Vernon Small:

Cactus Kate joins in:  

And she sledges Peter Dunne for his ill-conceived carpark tax:

 


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  • Lion_ess

    Anyone else sick of these sanctimonious tax-payer funded wallies, with their two sets of rules? Good ole Dave – too nice for politics? Not likely, he’s a creepy, underhanded, unaccountable cunt like to rest of them.

    • unsol

      Yes & I completely agree. He’s not nice he’s smarmy. And a trust worthy labour politician is an oxymoron. One always precludes the other!

      • Lion_ess

        A trustworthy politician is an oxymoron. Are their lips moving?

  • unsol

    FBT is about accounting for business expenses that are sometimes used privately- e.g company car.

    Why is a car park tax so bad (assuming of course the revenue would actually be worth the admin – which currently it is not)?

    If people are using car parks outside work hours – which we all know they do, then surely it is fair & reasonable to make sure this portion is accounted for so that the taxpayer is not paying for non income generating expenses (as per the standard for all expenses).

    Or is there another element of this supposedly hair-brained scheme that I have missed?

    • Jman

      I don’t use my car park in the city outside of work hours. Why the fuck would I?

      • Callum

        If your employer doesn’t supply a carpark for you then you can’t claim it as a deduction against your income if you pay for it yourself. Employer funded carparks are effectively making a private cost (your transport to and from work) tax deductible by making the value of the carpark supplied to you a business expense.

        • Jman

          Wrong. My transport to and from work I pay for myself in the form of petrol. My employer supplied car park is simply where I keep my car while I am AT work – being productive and generating taxable income. Going by your argument you may as well tax the employee for the office space he takes up in his job. It’s a ridiculous argument to make, and frankly I think there is a much stronger argument that I should be able to claim the petrol expense getting to and from work as a deductible expense.

          • Bunswalla

            What would happen if your employer didn’t provide you with a carpark? You’d have to pay for one yourself, wouldn’t you?

            So why, given that your employer is effectively putting extra money in your pocket (paying for the cost of your carpark for you), should that extra pay not be taxed?

            The more so if you consider that your employer’s paying for it with pre-tax dollars (claims it as a business expense i.e. reduces his profit, and therefore his tax). So the IRD’s losing both ways – they would get more tax from the employer, and more tax from you, for a legitimate reason.

            I happen to think taxing employee’s carparks is a bad idea, but your logic is completely wrong.

          • Jman

            No my logic is flawless and your failure to see that is due to your own shortcomings.

            Like Callum, your own flawed logic would suggest that employees should be taxed on the office space they occupy. Yet you don’t even agree with it so it sounds like you are just wanting to argue for the sake of being contrarian.

            PS. If I had to pay for my own carpark, I would have to be paid more money to make up for that. The end result would be the same.

          • Callum

            NZ tax case law is very clear, how you get to and from work is a private expense. If you chose to take your car rather than public transport for example, then parking that car is a private expense.

            If you expected to be paid more for paying for your own parking the end result would not be the same, $5k extra taxable income only gets you just over $3k in the hand. That is the entire point of fringe benefit tax, it stops employers paying their employees private expenses in effect tax free.

            Administrative wise it was probably going to be too costly (although I think that is a little overplayed, unlikely to hit many employers who weren’t already dealing with FBT) however the basis for it was perfectly reasonable.

      • Hazards001

        me either

      • unsol

        I would imagine senior staff do. Including those in the public service. All senior staff I know who have car parks provided use them after hours – e.g. when going to games & events etc. Why wouldn’t you? Parking in Wellington & Auckland CBDs is horrendous.

        • Jman

          Ok so even if one were to use it every single Saturday night (which would be way more than average), saving about 15 bucks parking at a time that would be a grand total of about 60 bucks saved a month. How much tax should one have to pay for that? Its stupid nickle and dime stuff which is why the government has now dumped it.

          I’d also like for you to explain how a parking space being left empty at night as opposed to some fat cat executive occupying it for a few hours at night is somehow costing the taxpayer.

          • Bunswalla

            It’s not so much whether it’s used at night or on the weekends; what about every day at work?

            What would happen if your employer didn’t provide you with a carpark? You’d have to pay for one yourself, wouldn’t you?

            So why, given that your employer is effectively putting extra money in your pocket (paying for the cost of your carpark for you), should that extra pay not be taxed?

            The more so if you consider that your employer’s paying for it with pre-tax dollars (claims it as a business expense i.e. reduces his profit, and therefore his tax). So the IRD’s losing both ways – they would get more tax from the employer, and more tax from you, for a legitimate reason.

            I happen to think taxing employee’s carparks is a bad idea, but your logic is completely wrong.

  • Can you have sum?

  • JeffDaRef

    Noone does sarcasm as sexy as Cactus…

  • Hazards001

    I’ve spent my whole life as a contractor a farmer or a miner but I have
    NEVER paid for a carpark to go to work and I sure as hell aren’t going
    to start now. My employer HAS to supply a bloody carpark for me or I
    won’t bring his bloody car to the office which happens to be in the CBD.
    Sounds to me like some of the petty are raising their ugly heads.

  • oh for gods sake you poofter whale, post is negativesmall

    • Bunswalla

      I don’t know if you need more meds or less booze, but FFS adjust your chemical balance, you’re rambling and talking shite again.

    • Joe Bloggs

      “don’t stop now your venom”… “post is negativesmall”

      FFS if you’re going to troll at least you could try to be coherent about it

  • Jhn Key has millions in foreign bank acounts, so dont stop now your venom

    • Bunswalla

      All declared, just like your dole money. Loser

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