Who voted “No” on Marriage Equality?

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MPs are being inundated with boilerplate emails from their constituents. If you want to stand out, and you have a particular point to make, they would appreciate a personal note, no matter how brief.


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It is rare to see this amount of solidarity across the political spectrum on a given issue.

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Interesting that there are quite a few rooters in that list.

Marriage Equality is more of a generational chasm as opposed to a political one.

If you still have something to tell your MP, please do it in a personal email.

Contact details can be found here.

 

Source:  Marriage Equality

 


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  • Grizz30

    What is Chris Finlayson’s beef with the issue?

    • Auto_Immune

      He takes his Catholicism seriously.

  • LesleyNZ

    Glad there are still some MP’s in the National Party with a traditional family focused conscience. Looks like my local MP isn’t with this group.

    • Travis Poulson

      Neither is mine. Oh well.

      • Mine is. Damn.

        • LesleyNZ

          Oh well…….

          • I will give my MP credit: He did a mail-out to all his constituents and ASKED. He then tabulated the responses, and is voting that way. How can you argue with that, really?

          • Travis Poulson

            I guess you can’t. But has he actually made it known publicly which way he leans himself? If he wants to retain his seat in the next election, he’s certainly going the right way about it.

          • I’m not sure it is relevant what his personal stance is when he has decided to vote the way his electorate told him to. Seems like a pretty decent way to use democracy – an electorate level referendum.

        • Travis Poulson

          Swap?

    • Gayguy

      Yeaaaa, because homos just could never be good families.

      When people like you say traditional, you mean homo hating.

      • LesleyNZ

        Homo hating? They are your words not mine.The United Nations needs to start protecting the traditional family unit – a loving mum, dad and kids.

        • Gayguy

          So gay parents cannot be loving? All those studies that say kids raised in gay families turn out just fine are actually wrong by your standards?

          What matters is that children are raised in a loving home. Not what gender their parents are. Get out of the dark ages.

          • starboard

            ya selfish bastard. What about the shit the poor kids will get at school… ” your dads a faggot “..think of the children rather than your own selfish needs you disgusting filth.

          • Gayguy

            Proof this is happening now with all the kids in gay families?

            Your the kind of sicko who would leave kids in abusive hetero homes rather than place them with someone who is gay.

          • starboard

            I dont have to prove jack shit to you pal…your a nothing..

          • Gayguy

            In other words you know you are talking pure shit, cannot back up anything you say and you are just filled with hate.

            Good to see you finally admit it SB.

          • unsol

            The only reason why kids get picked on is because the bullies have parents like you.

            “you disgusting filth”

            Shame on you. You are the epitome of everything a child does not deserve to have in a parent.

          • starboard

            Really? I suggest you live in another world then. Children are children…when one starts they all go at it…bully or not.
            And don’t even try and judge me you sanctimonious shit, you know diddly squat.

          • unsol

            No, you need to learn to live in this world like a decent human being.

            Children are products of their environment. Those who bully others, treat others like shit & use derogatory terms when referring to others will have children who do exactly the same.

            Loved, happy, well-adjusted children from secure, stable homes where their parents – straight or gay – take the time to engage with them, validate them & teach them skills like acceptance, compassion & empathy do not go into the school yard & pick on others who might seem different. Children will ask questions, but they dont pass judgment unless they have been taught to.

            So yes, I will judge you & I have every right to be sanctimonious where someone like you is concerned as I am morally superior because I actually have morals and you clearly have none.

            If you don’t like it then change your tact. Play the game not the person & leave the belittling, derogatory & repulsive comments out of it.

          • Gayguy

            Given you comments SB, you are ripe for judging.

            And I echo Unsol,you everything a child should NEVER have in a parent. A hate filled idiot spreading lies.

          • LesleyNZ

            A loving home is not all that matters. I have brought up 3 children and now have a grandchild. What also matters is good advice and guidance in their lives and teaching them good values and morals. That there is a right and there is a wrong and that there are consequences for actions. Having a mum and a dad in a stable relationship who work together to bring up their kids is the the ideal situation. You can rant and rave all you like Gayguy and say otherwise – and what you suggest might be OK in terms of providing love but is not the ideal and it is not giving a child total balance in life.

          • Guest

            “A loving home is not all that matters. I have brought up 3 children and now have a grandchild. What also matters is good advice and guidance in their lives and teaching them good values and morals.”

            And the fact that this seems to preclude same sex couples in your view shows a level of bigotry & antiquated ideas that are simply beyond comprehension.

            “Having a mum and a dad in a stable relationship who work together to bring up their kids is the ideal situation”

            Yes, I think it is too. But ideals & realities are often poles apart.

            Many heterosexual couples who have kids wouldn’t know a loving, stable & committed relationship if it came up & bit them on the arse.

            Many women are poor communicators, use the silent treatment & sex as leverage & have baggage a mile long & most are emotionally crippled and/or emotionally immature, are sensitive but egotistical, cant communicate, retreat into their ‘cave’ & in some cases use this to justify their infidelity – whether just wanting to ‘tap’ something else, kiss or actually have the full blown affair.

            So for you to assume that one’s sexual orientation automatically makes them a better person, spouse or parent is not just idiotic, but morally reprehensible.

            And since you have brought your personal life into it then pray tell, are your children as perfect as you imply? Is your marriage? I hope for your sake it is.

          • Gayguy

            Oh Lesley you really are fucked in the head.

            Study after study after study shows that you are wrong. But you go on preaching your hate and lies.

          • Travis Poulson

            That’s the way Paul Gordon-Ruddell, can’t handle an opposing position so hurl abuse at someone that has responded to you in nothing less than a respectful way. You sure as hell do nothing for the pro poofter marriage side of the debate.

          • LesleyNZ

            Oh so GG is a teacher up North???? Hope Paul doesn’t use some of the language he uses on this blog – to the kids he teaches.

          • Travis Poulson

            Sure is. Glad I don’t have kids at his school. Appalling attitude for a teacher. Poor example of behaviour, and atrocious conduct. All under the apparent anonymous safety of a fake name…..or not.

            I can’t work out which part or your comment justified calling you fucked in the head. Disgusting and disrespectful.

          • Pissedoffyouth

            Wait Travis, is GG TeachersRock?

          • Travis Poulson

            Yes, and kosh103, Meg…

          • Pissedoffyouth

            That explains one hell of a lot…

          • LesleyNZ

            Gay guy does not like to be challenged and does not like the truth. Nasty words come easy to him. Hope he doesn’t speak to parents like this who don’t agree with him.

          • Gayguy

            More lies Lesley? Oh dear.

          • starboard

            its Kosh, a gay agitator from way back..

          • starboard

            youre such a nasty little faggot paul..no wonder you have no friends

          • grumpy

            Now, theres a name for the memory banks……

          • LesleyNZ

            Gayguy – using that language will never convince anyone. Hope you never influence a child.

          • Gayguy

            There is no way people like you can be convinced. None at all. You have too much hate in you. You refuse to accept facts, you prefer disproved out dated nonsense.

            I would LOVE to believe people like you could be convinced that you are amazingly wrong. But you never will be. The only good thing is that people like you are no longer normal. People like you are considered to be on the fringes and as Wednesdays vote in the House will show, on the losing side of history and morality.

          • LesleyNZ

            “The only good thing is that people like you are no longer normal. People like you are considered to be on the fringes and as Wednesdays vote in the House will show, on the losing side of history and morality.”
            Gayguy – well you have said it now. I am no longer normal and you are. I have been marginalised by the likes of you and told I am not normal because you wanted something you couldn’t have because of your lifestyle choice – marriage. No matter how you dress it up – Gay marriage will never ever be the same as traditional heterosexual marriage. Morality? From the comments you write you haven’t a clue about what morals are. Yes history will be written and time will tell the rest. You Gayguy will be on the losing side of history and morality. I understand why you say this and that I am not normal anymore – you don’t.

          • Gayguy

            77 votes for. 44 against. Bugger for you eh. People like you have had your day. Equality wins and hate dies.

          • LesleyNZ

            Yep you are right Gayguy – I probably have had my day – the liberal elite have won tonight, but that doesn’t mean that I am wrong – one day you will find this out. Democracy did not happen tonight – nor did a conscience vote. Never thought that I would ever agree with NZ First. The liberal lobbyists down in Wellington have a lot of influence in the Beehive and now us not normal ones (as you said I was not normal) are as you said, have “had their day”. You will be happy for a short time, then there will be something else for you to campaign for because you can’t legislate morality. No matter how it is written in the law books – marriage between same-sex couples will never be the same as marriage between a male and female. It is you who hates Gayguy. Your language is full of hate and nastiness.

          • LesleyNZ

            And what about study after study about how kids are affected – especially emotionally, when mum and dad break up or are divorced? Kids need a mum and a dad – even if the mum and dad are not living together anymore. Ideally it is best if the mum and dad are together – and married.

          • Gayguy

            Pure rubbish. If there is fighting, a negative environment etc.. in the long run divorce is better for the child than that environment.

            And how do you think marriage equality will impact on that anyway? Do you believe that heterosexual divorce rates will increase when homosexuals get equal marriage rights? Also keep in mind, every child born to, or adopted by a same sex couple is wanted and will be loved. Can you say the same for every child born to heterosexuals?

            How many homosexuals bashed their children’s heads in last year? Put them in dryers? Took massive amounts of drugs while pregnant? And no this is not an attack on heterosexual parents, most are fantastic loving parents. But is simply proves all this crap about a mum and a dad being the best is pure garbage. A loving stable home is best.

          • LesleyNZ

            A loving stable home with a mum and dad is best what was once known as the traditional family unit. Anyone who abuses their children are not fit to be parents. Children are not pets or accessories for you to have Gayguy – to fill in the gap in your life because you have chosen a lifestyle where children are not generally in the homosexual lifestyle equation.

          • Gayguy

            That is right children are not pets or accessories, something the gay community understands. Shame about the heterosexual stats eh.

            Oh and please stop pushing the lie about sexuality being a choice. That has been disproven soooo many times. You just look silly.

  • Grizz30

    The whole of the NZ first Caucus (including Brendan Horan) in on this list. So solidarity does not extend across the total political spectrum. Just the spectrum that matters.

    • BJ

      Yes, their vote puts NZ (as a whole) first and what a shame NZ isn’t first to reject gay marriage.

      This issue has never been about ‘rights’ – it is about putting individualism way ahead of collectivism and with the scales tipped all one way we will continue the slide with no hope of creative tension between the individual and society ever being regained in the future.

      • Gayguy

        Rubbish. Only someone with a right would say that it was never about the right. Lets take a right off you and see how you like it.

        • Travis Poulson

          You never had a right taken off you though Paul, stop implying bullshit. There was never any right to begin with. You’re trying to create a right, and a fucked up one at that.

        • starboard

          yeah…so blow it out your extremely stretched arse gg

          • Gayguy

            Why are you so interested in my arse? Please stop thinking about it. It makes me sick to know a disturbed fuckup like you is thinking about my arse.

          • Travis Poulson

            So you accept that thinking about another blokes arse is fucked up.

          • Gazzaw

            Starboard’s interest will be purely academic Trav. Like most of us he probably hasn’t considered backsides to be multi-purpose.

          • starboard

            Exactly…its like a non return valve..simply not designed to receive.

          • Dave

            The old expression…….. pushing shit uphill

        • Mr_Blobby

          Fuck off Gay Cunt.

          • Gayguy

            Oh my, nasty homo hater aren’t you. What are you going to do Blob when the bill passes its second reading on Wednesday. Will your hate filled head explode?

        • BJ

          Oh this is getting tiresome – There is no need for equality for gay marriages – because as an individual you already have equal opportunity as any other man or woman to get married BUT if all the conditions that are present in the institute of marriage, are not present in a gay relationship, then you cannot expect equality because the conditions are not equal. What you can expect is equivalent – civil union. Go look up definitions and stop using equality as pure emotion.
          By the way you conduct yourself on this blog I would suggest you will never be fit to have a child in your household – heaven forbid – they would be poisoned by your hateful nature and example

          • LesleyNZ

            Well said BJ.

          • Gayguy

            Sigh, distorting the truth because of hate again BJ. Tut tut.

    • JimboBug

      Solidarity extends across the political spectrum in the youth wings of every party – they are all pro-marriage equality (or rather pro-marriage).
      Which means that even if dinosaurs vote against it this time (which is highly unlikely), we’ll have equal rights to marriage in 20 years time anyway.

  • jonno1

    I assume you’ve listed those who voted “no” on the first reading. My MP, John Banks, voted “yes” much to my surprise and concern. I’ve already tackled him about it, which I think is even more important (ie to express your concern to the yes-men and women).
    I admire Chris Finlayson for taking a stand. I have a friend in exactly that situation – it takes a lot of guts to take a moral stand and remain celibate despite one’s own orientation. That of course applies to unmarried heterosexuals too who are under an awful lot of pressure to “conform”, but the difference is that the heterosexual person can hope for a future partner, whereas the homosexual person cannot.

  • cows4me

    This shouldn’t be up to the politicians anyway, let public decide.

    • Gayguy

      So have you started collecting signatures to force a public referendum?

      • cows4me

        Now, now we have discussed this on a previous occasion GG and you know full well that it is your side that is rocking the boat. Why is it always the silent majority bowing to the wishes of the radically confused, marriage one man one woman GG. Pretending otherwise is simply delusional.

        • Gayguy

          Sooo, despite all your hate fueled rage, you have done nothing to protect marriage from us dangerous homos.

          Guess you really are not that interested in protecting your version of marriage.

      • Hazards001

        Have you?

      • Hazards001

        Seriously, why should the status quo always be determined by the vocal minority? I put this too you Mr I’m special because I’m gayguy..why don’t referendums reflect the will of the population? Not a percentage..but the population..so if you’re so keen on a referendum why don’t we have a real one? To change the current status of the law you and Louisa Wall go out there and get more than 50% of eligible voters to vote your way and I will fully support your position as a majority of opinion…and I’d damn well fight for that position. But if you can’t get the 50.01% that I’m asking for then you slide back under your hate filled special person rock and take Lousia with you, we didn’t ask for change…you did..go get it!

        And for that matter as far as I’m concerned to change the status of any governing statute a citizens initiated referendum should be more than 50% of eligible voters or there should be no referendum and no change..then we wouldn’t have got stuck with the gaggle of gays that fucked NZ up. And we also wouldn’t be stuck with the extra 3 weeks of driving to work in the dark inflicted on us by some tosser from Nelson!

        • Gayguy

          I am not the one claiming most of the country oppose marriage equality, despite every poll saying otherwise.

          We live in a country where we elect others to make/change the laws. If you do not like it, move to another country.

          • Hazards001

            Idiot! As I just said why should the silent majority have to go out to rebut the vocal minority? Take note of my two examples..one refers to MMP foisted on us by a very few people on the back of an extremely dodgy referendum where all it took was a few people that were in favour to turn out to vote for it instead of the non vote against also being counted. (I know I lost you there..lets just say that to be a fair vote if you want change you need to get 50% of the actual voters not 50% of the turn out.)

            Or we could look at the fact that one self interested Nelson 9 to 5 er has managed to inflict on the rest of NZ an additional 3 weeks a year of driving to work in the dark!

            You are a one trick pony, only here to troll the posts that suit your one eyed view of the world. I’d put any money one it that you’re a school teacher!

            And Muppet..FYI I don’t hate gays(or anyone else)..I hate people that think they deserve special treatment because they perceive themselves to be different.

          • Gayguy

            Given the fact that every poll shows more people support marriage equality than oppose it this whole silent majority claim is pure bullshit.

            And if you are being honest and hate special treatment, then you should be all for marriage equality, as it gives everyone the same right and treats no one as a special case.

          • Hazards001

            What polls? The ones in the lefty rags such as the hearld? I told you the only poll that counts. You go get more than 50% of eligable voters to say they vote for your cause.

            And I’m not actually against it, I’m just not for it.

          • Gayguy

            All polls carried out on this since the bill was put before the House. Do keep up.

          • Hazards001

            HEADDESK!

  • LesleyNZ

    And there are some “serial rooters” as you call them in the Yes list. How many “serial rooters” are same sex “serial rooters”? Seeing there are too many “serial rooters” in parliament we should have a referendum on this issue.We the public should decide – not those hypocritical MPs who have no values and standards – those on both the No and Yes list.

    • Travis Poulson

      Lets not, because you and I both know it’s completely irrelevant anyway whether or not they’re “serial rooters”. I bet some have poor taste in interior decorating, or dress like a homeless man. Maybe we should take that into account too…

      • LesleyNZ

        True!

      • Dave

        Helun was the champion of dressing like a homeless man, but is improving, now she just dresses like a man most days.

        • Patrick

          Bigger clothing budget at the UN & the Unions in NZ don’t want someone getting above their station

  • BJ

    The imperative to preserve the definition of marriage (one man and one woman) can only be understood from standing inside that place of marriage, so, the vast majority of pro gay marriage supporters don’t have a clue about the impact of their vote.

    • JimboBug

      Since when was the definition of marriage fixed? If it were so then it would be between a man and his chattel surely?

      • Mr_Blobby

        Yes good one..have to go wife is coming.

  • Richard McGrath

    To me this is really a non-issue. The state should butt out of people’s private lives. Whether couples live in a civil union, official marriage or de facto marriage, the state should be there to enforce any contracts made between the two parties. End of story.

    • Skip all the comments folks, they’re just depressing. ^^ Right there.

  • Jman

    Where’s young NZ first? Oh right..

  • J.M

    Quite a few people of Catholic background in that list there Cameron, time for another anti-Catholic post perhaps?

    • One moment. About to oblige.

  • LesleyNZ

    My kids are pretty good. What you have said above are your words not mine. Easy to label those who don’t agree with as being a bigot and having antiquated ideas.The ideal is to have both a mum and a dad as I said above. The ideal doesn’t always happen. Agree with you on that.

    • Gayguy

      It is easy to label someone like you a bigot, because you are one.

  • Dave

    Its passed its second reading…. 77 yes 44 no. Now for the final stages, no doubt GayGuy/TearchersCock/Meg/Kosh will be smiling!

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